Iraqi Minister Backs Iran on Nuclear Research (1 Viewer)

[jfuh]

One small step towards the negotiations between neighboring countries, one giant slap across the face for US diplomacy.
After all the "efforts" of the US to create a demcracy in the middle east that would be friendlier to washington if not more controlable by Washington, Iraq goes and does this.
This administration has demonstrate yet again it's miserable failure in diplomacy. We go to war over WMD's and here they are openly decenting against the US on the topic of WMD's.
Instead of rushing Haliburton an other major US coorperations into Iraq, the white house should've thought first about securing the peace and security of the nation. Well what's done is done, but now how will we deal with this? Invade Iraq again?
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[Deegan]

One small step towards the negotiations between neighboring countries, one giant slap across the face for US diplomacy.
After all the "efforts" of the US to create a demcracy in the middle east that would be friendlier to washington if not more controlable by Washington, Iraq goes and does this.
This administration has demonstrate yet again it's miserable failure in diplomacy. We go to war over WMD's and here they are openly decenting against the US on the topic of WMD's.
Instead of rushing Haliburton an other major US coorperations into Iraq, the white house should've thought first about securing the peace and security of the nation. Well what's done is done, but now how will we deal with this? Invade Iraq again?
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Nice try, lol, but this says it all, end game!

"Speaking of the debate over Iran's nuclear program, Mr. Zebari said that Iraq does not want "any of our neighbors to have weapons of mass destruction," according to news services."

 

[Indy]

Sorry deegan but even Iran is saying that they don't want nuclear weapons. So why is it ok to assume that Iran is lying and Iraq isn't? For all we know they COULD really want Iran to have WMD's and they are just trying to keep in favor with the world by saying that they only support the ENERGY portion of the research.

It is really funny though that this country that "supposedly" loves us for given them democracy and all of that are now openly defying us. I don't agree with their decision to support Iran but I do give them credit for having some balls. Plus they made me laugh so I give them two thumbs up.

 

[Deegan]

Sorry deegan but even Iran is saying that they don't want nuclear weapons. So why is it ok to assume that Iran is lying and Iraq isn't? For all we know they COULD really want Iran to have WMD's and they are just trying to keep in favor with the world by saying that they only support the ENERGY portion of the research.

It is really funny though that this country that "supposedly" loves us for given them democracy and all of that are now openly defying us. I don't agree with their decision to support Iran but I do give them credit for having some balls. Plus they made me laugh so I give them two thumbs up.

Well at least you were amused, how very quaint!:roll:

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Sorry deegan but even Iran is saying that they don't want nuclear weapons. So why is it ok to assume that Iran is lying and Iraq isn't?

Because Iraq is led by a Democratically elected, representative, and inclusive government, Iran is led by a fanatical totalitarian theocracy. See the difference?

 

[jfuh]

Nice try, lol, but this says it all, end game!

"Speaking of the debate over Iran's nuclear program, Mr. Zebari said that Iraq does not want "any of our neighbors to have weapons of mass destruction," according to news services."

Yes, I know what my own article said. However, that Iraqi's support Iran gaining any form of scientific or technological advance in nuclear capacities is nerv-racking enough for me.
This is indeed representative of a failure of diplomacy on our party with the country that we are helping to build. My premise still stands.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Yes, I know what my own article said. However, that Iraqi's support Iran gaining any form of scientific or technological advance in nuclear capacities is nerv-racking enough for me.
This is indeed representative of a failure of diplomacy on our party with the country that we are helping to build. My premise still stands.

Do you even know the purpose of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty is?

 

[jfuh]

Do you even know the purpose of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty is?

Lol, why do you have to make it soo easy tot? No tot, I've no idea what the hell the NPT is, please enlighten me and how it relates to the premise. I beg of your superior knowledge.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Lol, why do you have to make it soo easy tot? No tot, I've no idea what the hell the NPT is, please enlighten me and how it relates to the premise. I beg of your superior knowledge.

The NPT was created to stop the production of nuclear weapons but it was also created for the sharing and creation of peaceful nuclear technology, the Iraqi's were simply saying that Iran should be allowed to have nuclear electricity, but the fact of the matter is that Iran is not creating peaceful nuclear technology they are after the bomb that is the only reason in the world why they would keep their nuclear program clandestine when peaceful nuclear technology is infact sanctioned by the NPT and international law.

 

[jfuh]

The NPT was created to stop the production of nuclear weapons but it was also created for the sharing and creation of peaceful nuclear technology, the Iraqi's were simply saying that Iran should be allowed to have nuclear electricity, but the fact of the matter is that Iran is not creating peaceful nuclear technology they are after the bomb that is the only reason in the world why they would keep their nuclear program clandestine when peaceful nuclear technology is infact sanctioned by the NPT and international law.

So how then does your argument differ from what I've made here? Iraq supports Iran to aquire nuke tech, however we all know that the only nuke tech app that Iran uses is for making the bomb. However, the US has sealed off any transfer of nuke tech to Iran (translation, the NPT is irrelevant to diplomacy), and thus Iraq supporting Iran with it's nuke development techs is a giant slap across the face of the US, representative of a utter failure of diplomacy.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

So how then does your argument differ from what I've made here? Iraq supports Iran to aquire nuke tech, however we all know that the only nuke tech app that Iran uses is for making the bomb. However, the US has sealed off any transfer of nuke tech to Iran (translation, the NPT is irrelevant to diplomacy), and thus Iraq supporting Iran with it's nuke development techs is a giant slap across the face of the US, representative of a utter failure of diplomacy.

That sir is not the argument you were making, Iraq specifically said that they do not want Iran to have nuclear weapons but you said this:

This administration has demonstrate yet again it's miserable failure in diplomacy. We go to war over WMD's and here they are openly decenting against the US on the topic of WMD's.

 

[jfuh]

That sir is not the argument you were making, Iraq specifically said that they do not want Iran to have nuclear weapons but you said this:

Ok, what don't you understand? Iraq supports Iran in acquireing nuclear technology, Iran's sole ambition for nuclear ambition is for the construction of the bomb.
Secondly, the US has sanctioned off Iran to acquire anything nuclear.
So tell me how this is
1. my statements are "contradictory"
2. how this is not a failure of the bush white house?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Ok, what don't you understand? Iraq supports Iran in acquireing nuclear technology, Iran's sole ambition for nuclear ambition is for the construction of the bomb.
Secondly, the US has sanctioned off Iran to acquire anything nuclear.
So tell me how this is
1. my statements are "contradictory"
2. how this is not a failure of the bush white house?

You can have nuclear technology without having nuclear weapons. The fact of the matter is that Iraq said specifically that they did not want Iran to have nuclear weapons which would make your assertion that Iraq approves of Iran having nuclear weapons false.

 

[jfuh]

You can have nuclear technology without having nuclear weapons. The fact of the matter is that Iraq said specifically that they did not want Iran to have nuclear weapons which would make your assertion that Iraq approves of Iran having nuclear weapons false.

I note that you did not show either of the two instances I've listed.
I don't deny that you can have nuke plants without nuke bombs, however that's not what Iran is getting/refining now is it?
The fact of the matter is, Iraq knows damn well what Iran is doing with the nuke tech, Iraq knows damn well that the US has sanctioned Iran for nuke tech, finally Iraq's defiance and open support for Iran on this matter is a slap across the face for the white house and representative of a utter failure of diplomacy.
Better luck with your next rebuttle tot.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I note that you did not show either of the two instances I've listed.
I don't deny that you can have nuke plants without nuke bombs, however that's not what Iran is getting/refining now is it?
The fact of the matter is, Iraq knows damn well what Iran is doing with the nuke tech, Iraq knows damn well that the US has sanctioned Iran for nuke tech, finally Iraq's defiance and open support for Iran on this matter is a slap across the face for the white house and representative of a utter failure of diplomacy.
Better luck with your next rebuttle tot.

You made the assertion that Iraq supports the Iranian creation of nuclear weapons when in fact the Iraqi leader you quoted specifically stated that he does not support Iran creating nuclear weapons, that would make you a lier sir.

 

[jfuh]

You made the assertion that Iraq supports the Iranian creation of nuclear weapons when in fact the Iraqi leader you quoted specifically stated that he does not support Iran creating nuclear weapons, that would make you a lier sir.

It's always a semantics game with you. Try and debate the topic and stop :spin: lies.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

It's always a semantics game with you. Try and debate the topic and stop :spin: lies.

What the hell are you talking about I'm unspinning your lies sir, it is you that claimed that Iraq supported Iran in making nuclear weapons when they specifically said that they didn't support Iran getting nuclear weapons but only that they would support them creating peaceful nuclear technology which they are not. That's not a semantics game it's the difference between fact and fiction.

 

[jfuh]

What the hell are you talking about I'm unspinning your lies sir, it is you that claimed that Iraq supported Iran in making nuclear weapons when they specifically said that they didn't support Iran getting nuclear weapons but only that they would support them creating peaceful nuclear technology which they are not. That's not a semantics game it's the difference between fact and fiction.

What I've written I think I would know, not to mention it's all in black and white on the former pages.
So again, stop :spin: lies.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

What I've written I think I would know, not to mention it's all in black and white on the former pages.
So again, stop :spin: lies.

Your the one who is lying, you made a false statement concerning Iraqi support of Iranian nuclear weapons devolopment.

 

[jfuh]

Your the one who is lying, you made a false statement concerning Iraqi support of Iranian nuclear weapons devolopment.

You think that we are :duelWhen actually you're just:beatdeadhorse. My statements have been very clear. I can't help it if you refuse to read.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

You think that we are :duelWhen actually you're just:beatdeadhorse. My statements have been very clear. I can't help it if you refuse to read.

I have read and yes your statement is very clear this is your statement:

We go to war over WMD's and here they are openly decenting against the US on the topic of WMD's.

It is a false statement the Iraqis are in total agreement with the U.S. in the fact that neither of us want Iran to have nuclear weapons, end of story.

 

[jfuh]

I have read and yes your statement is very clear this is your statement:

It is a false statement the Iraqis are in total agreement with the U.S. in the fact that neither of us want Iran to have nuclear weapons, end of story.

What did I say after that tot?

However, that Iraqi's support Iran gaining any form of scientific or technological advance in nuclear capacities is nerv-racking enough for me.
This is indeed representative of a failure of diplomacy on our party with the country that we are helping to build. My premise still stands.

And then I said:

Iraq supports Iran to aquire nuke tech, however we all know that the only nuke tech app that Iran uses is for making the bomb. However, the US has sealed off any transfer of nuke tech to Iran (translation, the NPT is irrelevant to diplomacy), and thus Iraq supporting Iran with it's nuke development techs is a giant slap across the face of the US, representative of a utter failure of diplomacy.

Again you're arguing over semantics.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

What did I say after that tot?

And then I said:

Again you're arguing over semantics.

It's not semantics it's the difference between supporting peaceful nuclear technology and nuclear weapons, that is a very distinct difference due to the fact that the Non-proliferation treaty does not ban peaceful nuclear technology and infact encourages it. The Iraqis are on the same page as the U.S. when it comes to Iran developing nuclear weapons, they are against it, and you claimed they are for it you are wrong.

 

[jfuh]

It's not semantics it's the difference between supporting peaceful nuclear technology and nuclear weapons, that is a very distinct difference due to the fact that the Non-proliferation treaty does not ban peaceful nuclear technology and infact encourages it. The Iraqis are on the same page as the U.S. when it comes to Iran developing nuclear weapons, they are against it, and you claimed they are for it you are wrong.

Keep going around in circles tot. This has been argued and concluded. Iraq is clearly not on the same page as the US as the US does not want the Iranians to have any nuclear technology.
Let me ask you this tot, please answer with a straight answer, yes or no. Any nuclear technology Iran acquires will be for the further manufacturing/developement of the bomb.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Keep going around in circles tot. This has been argued and concluded. Iraq is clearly not on the same page as the US as the US does not want the Iranians to have any nuclear technology.
Let me ask you this tot, please answer with a straight answer, yes or no. Any nuclear technology Iran acquires will be for the further manufacturing/developement of the bomb.

No the U.S. policy is clear we respect the stipulations of the NPT of which we are a signatory, we do not support Iran getting nuclear weapons, if they were only after peaceful nuclear technology I doubt that we would have a problem with it but they aren't so we do.