TheHonestTruth
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Im making the point that its not government administration specific.
Im a libertarian, so I think democrats today are as worthless are republicans, but people like to say its all about the Republican right and the Bush family wanting war in Iraq for oil. NO! It was always heavily influenced by oil, but the U.S. wanted to overthrow Saddam during Clinton years too, I dont think most partisan idiots realize that.
Its a fact the U.S. was an ally of Saddam in the 80's through his domestic terrorism as he gassed the Kurds. We sold him weapons and helped them as he needed help.Im thinking about the timeline. Saddam was a U.S. ally until the 1990 invasion, being an ally it makes sense that we wouldnt condone his unprovoked agression to another nation. Senseless violence within his own country is bad to codone but were able to do that more covertly I think, but allowing an ally to try to conquer neighbooring areas shines poorly on the U.S. intrests. So I can see that Bush 1 saw it as a needed thing and certainly a chance to democratize the area and use it for industry boost. Either way, it would have been a prolonged conflict resulting in overthrow if the Iraqis hadnt surrendered in 100 hours like they did after we attacked them in 1990.
Right wing Washington think tanks had been planning to assume power against agressor nations in the mid east like Iraq according to their own documents in the 1990's.
But did anyone here know about the 1998 Iraqi Liberation Act?
from wikipedia:
"In 1998, U.S. President Bill Clinton expressed concerns about Iraq's failure to disarm, noting that he believed the country would give its weapons of mass destruction to other countries. Clinton also stated his belief that Saddam Hussein would eventually use these weapons - it was "only a matter of time." On September 29, 1998, the United States Congress passed the Iraq Liberation Act, which states that the U.S. intends to remove Saddam Hussein from office and replace the government with a democratic institution. The Iraq Liberation Act was signed by President Clinton on October 31, 1998. On the same day, Iraq announced it would no longer cooperate with United Nations weapons inspectors."
I didnt know the Iraq Liberation Act existed. Saddam was a reckless tyrant, but he failed once and got whooped in 1990, so he wasnt more of a threat. We condoned his policies in the 80's when he was our brutal dicator of choice, but after we showed him we wouldnt let him do whatever he wanted in the mid east, his ideas of conquering neighbooring countries was over. He wasnt more of a threat after the Kuwait invasion and following Gulf War. But our relationship changed after that skirmish. He started thwarting chemcial weapons inspections and so we had a reason to now overthrow him. Clearly we were just waiting for an excuse to get in and overthrow him all along since Bush 1.
But still, we need to get this war over with. Its inspiring terrorism in a new generation that will hate America. We need to finish the mission, as horrible as it is.
Its a quagmire based on a poorly planned overthrow for profits to energy companies and military industries, but for our own safety we have to get a stable government in place because otherwise we lose crediblility. If Iraq stablizes we gain lots of credibility back that we have lost, but if not we are really screwed.
Unfortunately Saddam's brutal regime was the only thing that was holding that crap pile together. Those people only know violence and brutality, creating democracy there will be a very slow process. I just hope we can turn it over to them as fast as possible. Im just not sure its going to be a U.S. friendly democracy like we thought, seeing how destabilized we made the country.
The U.S. energy corporations like Halliburton are the only major beneficiaries if we make it a U.S. friendly region. Its not going to have really any impact on oil prices. As we see in the Katrina aftermath and these record profits this last quarter, oil companies will gouge if at all possible. They know they have us over a barrel now. I think the money would have been better spent investing in alternative fuels, the free market needs impetus. The oil scare has created that impetus, but government help cant hurt. I would rather spend tax dollars going to energy research than to military industries which are merchants of death.
Im a libertarian, so I think democrats today are as worthless are republicans, but people like to say its all about the Republican right and the Bush family wanting war in Iraq for oil. NO! It was always heavily influenced by oil, but the U.S. wanted to overthrow Saddam during Clinton years too, I dont think most partisan idiots realize that.
Its a fact the U.S. was an ally of Saddam in the 80's through his domestic terrorism as he gassed the Kurds. We sold him weapons and helped them as he needed help.Im thinking about the timeline. Saddam was a U.S. ally until the 1990 invasion, being an ally it makes sense that we wouldnt condone his unprovoked agression to another nation. Senseless violence within his own country is bad to codone but were able to do that more covertly I think, but allowing an ally to try to conquer neighbooring areas shines poorly on the U.S. intrests. So I can see that Bush 1 saw it as a needed thing and certainly a chance to democratize the area and use it for industry boost. Either way, it would have been a prolonged conflict resulting in overthrow if the Iraqis hadnt surrendered in 100 hours like they did after we attacked them in 1990.
Right wing Washington think tanks had been planning to assume power against agressor nations in the mid east like Iraq according to their own documents in the 1990's.
But did anyone here know about the 1998 Iraqi Liberation Act?
from wikipedia:
"In 1998, U.S. President Bill Clinton expressed concerns about Iraq's failure to disarm, noting that he believed the country would give its weapons of mass destruction to other countries. Clinton also stated his belief that Saddam Hussein would eventually use these weapons - it was "only a matter of time." On September 29, 1998, the United States Congress passed the Iraq Liberation Act, which states that the U.S. intends to remove Saddam Hussein from office and replace the government with a democratic institution. The Iraq Liberation Act was signed by President Clinton on October 31, 1998. On the same day, Iraq announced it would no longer cooperate with United Nations weapons inspectors."
I didnt know the Iraq Liberation Act existed. Saddam was a reckless tyrant, but he failed once and got whooped in 1990, so he wasnt more of a threat. We condoned his policies in the 80's when he was our brutal dicator of choice, but after we showed him we wouldnt let him do whatever he wanted in the mid east, his ideas of conquering neighbooring countries was over. He wasnt more of a threat after the Kuwait invasion and following Gulf War. But our relationship changed after that skirmish. He started thwarting chemcial weapons inspections and so we had a reason to now overthrow him. Clearly we were just waiting for an excuse to get in and overthrow him all along since Bush 1.
But still, we need to get this war over with. Its inspiring terrorism in a new generation that will hate America. We need to finish the mission, as horrible as it is.
Its a quagmire based on a poorly planned overthrow for profits to energy companies and military industries, but for our own safety we have to get a stable government in place because otherwise we lose crediblility. If Iraq stablizes we gain lots of credibility back that we have lost, but if not we are really screwed.
Unfortunately Saddam's brutal regime was the only thing that was holding that crap pile together. Those people only know violence and brutality, creating democracy there will be a very slow process. I just hope we can turn it over to them as fast as possible. Im just not sure its going to be a U.S. friendly democracy like we thought, seeing how destabilized we made the country.
The U.S. energy corporations like Halliburton are the only major beneficiaries if we make it a U.S. friendly region. Its not going to have really any impact on oil prices. As we see in the Katrina aftermath and these record profits this last quarter, oil companies will gouge if at all possible. They know they have us over a barrel now. I think the money would have been better spent investing in alternative fuels, the free market needs impetus. The oil scare has created that impetus, but government help cant hurt. I would rather spend tax dollars going to energy research than to military industries which are merchants of death.