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Iraq Invasion

Arch Enemy said:
New rule NYU, try not to act like an ass to other people on the forums and I wont respond in a hostile way. That way we can converse without being at each others throat's. I'll just consider your most recent "dissing" as if they didn't exist.
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You don't have a rebuttal? Disappointing.

I actually lived in Venezuela.. Catia La Mar to be exact. Though it isn't listed among the 3rd World Countries I have seen my fair of racism there...
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Well, that changes everything. You lived in Venezuela, so that must mean that your revisionist version of World War II history must be true.

And that you're obviously much more adept at spotting racism than anyone else.

People being beaten because they belong to a certain region of the nation. The police there ARE not your friend... they are used to fighting the Columbian Drug Dealers.
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What was the purpose of this statement? I don't see how it ties into anything previously discussed, nor how there was any disagreement there.
 
-Almost one of every four Americans believes that it is admissible to use the violence to obtain that one that is wished. (The European Dream, p.32).

Good.

-The Americans consume more money in the game that in cinema, videos, DVDs, music and united books ". (The European Dream, p.2.

AKA We have a great economy? What does this say?

-In last July, the United States imported more food the one that they exported. (NYT, 12/12/2004)

Horror of horrors.

-American employers have eliminated 1 million working places in the year 2004. (The Week, 14/01/2005)

Actually, thats not true. What is the Week? Their claims seem to be sensationalist and baseless.


-20 % of the Americans thinks that the Sun turns about the Earth. 17 % believes that the Earth gives the return to the Sun once per day.
(The Week, 7/01/ 2005).

Again. Total crap.

-The principal reason of women's death embarrassed in this country is the murder. (CNN, 14/12/2004).

Again. Don't believe you got that from CNN, because it's not true.

-Our workers are so ignorant and lack so many basic skills that the American Businesses spends(consumes) 30 billion dollars per year in training to solve failings. (NYT, 12/12/2004)

Wait...our businesses TRAIN their workers? I guess that would explain our superior productivity.

What country are you from Valvaro? I'm just curious to know what paradise I'm missing out on by living in the awful USA.
 
I liked this article a lot. Sweet and short. Your curious and so am I. People can say whatever they can say to defend Bush. Thats because they cant handle the truth. Do you actually think Bush feels good about what he did. I bet you every night he thinks to him self "God I am such a freaking idiot" Even though he tries to look calm and "confident" about his decision. The main reason I think he went in there was for oil. Also because the people that are doing all this crap to ruin the world are his friends! He doesn't want to attack them! If he does, they will withdraw the money they are investing here in America, and our economy will shoot down like it has never shot down before. ( I would watch Fahrenheit 911 if you want more detail about the whole investing thing) So he is fooling the people by going into Iraq even though they have nothing to do with this. There are no weapons, he has them all, and he is using them to destroy the world. He is trying to spread in the middle east making up lies that Americans will actually believe. He doesn't even have a mind of his own. His cabinet made this decision as well....so not all the blame goes towards him. You know what.....to end this, i wanna say i feel bad for Bush, i pity him.....for being so stupid and lost and loosing his country along with him.
 
I live in Spain, a country better than USA. I have social safety, assistance medicates free, free very high education, good public systems of transport, and a standard of living and a quality of life.

And when i walk in the streets, im sure that no body wear pistols, or guns, because is almost impossible to buy a gun here, and the childrens can't wear guns to the school, because is impossible 100% to get one for them.

Ah, certainly, I am proud of that my country does not have soldiers in Iraq....

shuamort

Really? Number one in the world in autodeception? If that were a real word I'd be proud!

You have just said the typical north american foolishness...
 
Dark Gypsy Curse said:
I liked this article a lot. Sweet and short. Your curious and so am I. People can say whatever they can say to defend Bush. Thats because they cant handle the truth. Do you actually think Bush feels good about what he did. I bet you every night he thinks to him self "God I am such a freaking idiot" Even though he tries to look calm and "confident" about his decision. The main reason I think he went in there was for oil. Also because the people that are doing all this crap to ruin the world are his friends! He doesn't want to attack them! If he does, they will withdraw the money they are investing here in America, and our economy will shoot down like it has never shot down before. ( I would watch Fahrenheit 911 if you want more detail about the whole investing thing) So he is fooling the people by going into Iraq even though they have nothing to do with this. There are no weapons, he has them all, and he is using them to destroy the world. He is trying to spread in the middle east making up lies that Americans will actually believe. He doesn't even have a mind of his own. His cabinet made this decision as well....so not all the blame goes towards him. You know what.....to end this, i wanna say i feel bad for Bush, i pity him.....for being so stupid and lost and loosing his country along with him.
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You can bet me whatever you want as to what Bush does at night, but the truth is that you have about as much of an idea as I do.

Your post began to lose credibility when your grammar fell off the edge, and lost what it had retained when you suggested I watch "Fahrenheit 9/11" to get some more of the "facts."

Here's a reading suggestion: http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

See how true the movie really is.

Although this quote was great:

"There are no weapons, he has them all, and he is using them to destroy the world."
 
ok, careful....when u say that spain is better than america, i would think again. That is just an opinion so please dont try to persuade me. i love america. i just disagree with the government. And when u said that Spain doesnt have guns. I think every country has guns......and social safety, assistance medicates free, free very high education, good public systems of transport, and a standard of living and a quality of life. Trust me Spain isnt the only one. When you said Spain doesnt have troops in Iraq, I sarted to laugh.......



and calling me an american fool....at least i am not a conceited loser.
 
walvaro said:
shuamort

Really? Number one in the world in autodeception? If that were a real word I'd be proud!

You have just said the typical north american foolishness...
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Umm, ok, so where can I find the word "autodeception" in a dictionary. And why are Canada and Mexico getting involved in this? :rofl
 
RightatNYU said:
You can bet me whatever you want as to what Bush does at night, but the truth is that you have about as much of an idea as I do.

Your post began to lose credibility when your grammar fell off the edge, and lost what it had retained when you suggested I watch "Fahrenheit 9/11" to get some more of the "facts."

Here's a reading suggestion: http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

See how true the movie really is.

Although this quote was great:

"There are no weapons, he has them all, and he is using them to destroy the world."
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Thanks for telling me about that website, yet i still agree with Michael Moore. You seem very intelligent. I am glad you liked my quote.
 
walvaro said:
I live in Spain, a country better than USA. I have social safety, assistance medicates free, free very high education, good public systems of transport, and a standard of living and a quality of life.
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You also have a lower quality medical system, higher taxes, and an economy that is growing at about 2 thirds of our rate.

Our birth rate is 50% higher, our death rate is 15% lower, your unemployment is a staggering 11.3%, your inflation is three times higher, and your GDP per capita is 50% lower.

And what's wrong with our country's systems of public transport? It's a little bit easier when your country is about twice the size of Oregon. As to city transit, there's nothing wrong with New York's.

Really? Number one in the world in autodeception? If that were a real word I'd be proud!

You have just said the typical north american foolishness...
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Hahahaha, did he now?
 
Dark Gypsy Curse said:
Thanks for telling me about that website, yet i still agree with Michael Moore. You seem very intelligent. I am glad you liked my quote.
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Well, thank you very much.

I would just encourage you to broaden your horizons. Fact is generally more useful than fiction.

Best of luck to you.
 
Dark Gypsy Curse
When you said Spain doesnt have troops in Iraq, I sarted to laugh.......

Sorry, but Spain doesnt have troops in Iraq... :rolleyes:

Are you going to deny that in Spain it is lived better than in USA? :lamo
 
walvaro said:
Are you going to deny that in Spain it is lived better than in USA? :lamo
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Yes, I did deny that.
 
walvaro said:
Dark Gypsy Curse
When you said Spain doesnt have troops in Iraq, I sarted to laugh.......

Sorry, but Spain doesnt have troops in Iraq... :rolleyes:

Are you going to deny that in Spain it is lived better than in USA? :lamo
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why do people from all around the world try to come to america? have u ever even been there? i mean honestly dont judge it. You probably judge america by watching t.v. The media isnt always right.

i have read articles about Spain helping america...look at this PLEASE
http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=39425


here is some pieces from the article i found that were interesting "


"Prime Minister (Jose Luis Rodriquez) Zapatero announced his decision that if we win the elections we will withdraw our troops from a place they should not have been (deployed) at all and that was what we did," Bono said after talks with his Bulgarian counterpart Nikolay Svinarov.

"We were neither subjected to pressure, nor have we sought permission. We took a sovereign decision."

Withdrawing Spain's 1,300 soldiers from Iraq was one the first decisions taken by Zapatero's Socialist government after it came to power in March 2004, making Spain the first country to pull out of the US-led coalition in Iraq.



i hope u will stop being so conceited...look at me....i love my country but i am admiting its faults....maybe u should look at that and try it sometime
 
You believe yourself superior to rest of world, and the rest of the world existed much before that your country.

You are overbearing, egoists, cynics, hypocrites, and are those that more you consume and contaminate of the world.

You are the first ones and the only ones in using nuclear weapon against innocent people, do not respect the human rights, and then you fill the mouth speaking about freedom and democracy when it is evident that you do not know what is it.

You make me sad..., and like me, thinks the rest of the world.

Do not you realize?
 
walvaro said:
You believe yourself superior to rest of world, and the rest of the world existed much before that your country.

You are overbearing, egoists, cynics, hypocrites, and are those that more you consume and contaminate of the world.

You are the first ones and the only ones in using nuclear weapon against innocent people, do not respect the human rights, and then you fill the mouth speaking about freedom and democracy when it is evident that you do not know what is it.

You make me sad..., and like me, thinks the rest of the world.

Do not you realize?
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I realize that you don't have a single response for anything I said.

I also realize that your rabid anti-Americanism is backed up with naught but jealousy and anger.

America has become Europe's scapegoat because it's not quite as politically acceptable to use the Jews, as you did for so long.

(And to some extent, still do now, come to think of it.)
 
walvaro said:
You believe yourself superior to rest of world, and the rest of the world existed much before that your country.

You are overbearing, egoists, cynics, hypocrites, and are those that more you consume and contaminate of the world.

You are the first ones and the only ones in using nuclear weapon against innocent people, do not respect the human rights, and then you fill the mouth speaking about freedom and democracy when it is evident that you do not know what is it.

You make me sad..., and like me, thinks the rest of the world.

Do not you realize?
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OMG! I was right so now ur attacking me. I know America uses weapons and such! I disagree with it completley! So what are u trying to say! I am against the war completely and i know we arent trying to bring democracy. I also dont know the rest of the world...so i dont think i make them sad....


u dont know how to diss people....u should work on that after u keep up with SPain's political issues.
 
walvaro said:
You are the first ones and the only ones in using nuclear weapon against innocent people, do not respect the human rights, and then you fill the mouth speaking about freedom and democracy when it is evident that you do not know what is it.
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When have we used those weapons?

Feel free to define democracy for us. Perhaps we need to be enlightened.
 
Dark Gypsy

Do you say that it is a lack that my country withdraws his troops of a war to which nobody wanted to go, and that for the decision of a despot it went away?
 
walvaro said:
Dark Gypsy

Do you say that it is a lack that my country withdraws his troops of a war to which nobody wanted to go, and that for the decision of a despot it went away?
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No, actually I would say it was a lack of the courage necessary to continue on fighting terrorism after your country was attacked on 3/11.

I would say it was capitulation to fear.
 
walvaro said:
Dark Gypsy

Do you say that it is a lack that my country withdraws his troops of a war to which nobody wanted to go, and that for the decision of a despot it went away?
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So then why did u say u had no troops in Iraq? ur admitting it......and i still dont see what the hell ur trying to say.
 
Dark Gypsy Curse said:
So then why did u say u had no troops in Iraq? ur admitting it......and i still dont see what the hell ur trying to say.
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He's saying that his country had troops in Iraq, but after the new socialist government was elected, they withdrew their troops.
 
Not sure you got the Welcome Dark Gypsy! :wcm

walvaro has already admitted that he has a hard time with english, his opinion is just as wanted and welcome as yours. Would you kindly help him out and type out the full words like "you and your"?

Thanks a bunch. :)
 
Before, and during the war, in my country it had manifestations and surveys that were placing 95 % of the population in opposition to the war of Iraq, and asking for the retreat of the troops of the above mentioned country.

And you do not avenge me saying that we are capitulation to the fear, for which Spain, has lived 25 years of ETA's terrorism, apart from 3 civil wars, hundreds of colonial wars, through wars against all the European countries and wars against USA, without counting both world wars.

So you do not speak to me of capitulate to the fear, because never Spanish is afraid for terrorism, and proof of it is our history that gives thousand returns to that of your country.

A war against Iraq, after 11S, is capitulate to the fear of the terrorism.

Or do not you agree about of the psychosis that one lived in USA?, so here in Spain was not this psychosis, there was calmness and anger, for which the whole world knew that the attempt was a fault of the bad and stupid decision to go to the war.
 
vauge said:
Not sure you got the Welcome Dark Gypsy! :wcm

walvaro has already admitted that he has a hard time with english, his opinion is just as wanted and welcome as yours. Would you kindly help him out and type out the full words like "you and your"?

Thanks a bunch. :)
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Also it would make you seem more intelligent.

/slyness
 
RightatNYU said:
He's saying that his country had troops in Iraq, but after the new socialist government was elected, they withdrew their troops.
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My point is THEY STILL HAD TROOPS THERE. its not like they were never involved.
 
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