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Iranian tanker seized by Gibraltar 'photographed off Syria'

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Iranian tanker seized by Gibraltar 'photographed off Syria'

Adrian Darya 1, formerly the Grace 1, was only released on condition it did not discharge its load of 2.1m barrels of oil in Syria.


Satellite image said to show the Iranian oil tanker Adrian Darya-1, formerly the Grace 1, off the coast of Tartus, Syria.


Can't say I'm at all surprised.

NOTE TO MODS: Update. This story originally appeared in the Europe Forum due to the original story location of Gibraltar.
 
I believe the Iranians have the right to sell the OIL to whomever they choose. It is not a US business/political decision.
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DaveFagan said:
I believe the Iranians have the right to sell the OIL to whomever they choose. It is not a US business/political decision.
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Except under UN sanctions which is not the case
 
DaveFagan said:
I believe the Iranians have the right to sell the OIL to whomever they choose. It is not a US business/political decision.
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Iran had guaranteed Gibraltar in writing that the ship "was never destined to an EU sanctioned entity."

Looks like there may be sanctions on Syria.

Probably because of all the war crimes....

Oh, and Iran lied.

That isn't news. It is status quo.
 
Also, a ship to ship transfer, would end run any sanctions.
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DaveFagan said:
I believe the Iranians have the right to sell the OIL to whomever they choose. It is not a US business/political decision.
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It's amazing to watch liberals now openly supporting terrorism ... not only within the US but also worldwide.
 
Barnacle said:
It's amazing to watch liberals now openly supporting terrorism ... not only within the US but also worldwide.
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It's amazing to watch you support Iran. Fascinating.
 
Fledermaus said:
So, you support the transfer of oil to a sanctioned nation?
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Syria was not facing international oil sanctions preventing Iran from shipping oil to it. The EU has sanctions that apply to EU countries preventing them to ship oil to Syria, the US does as well. None of those sanctions apply to Iran shipping oil to Syria. Only if the UN. Syria or Iran applied sanctions to Iran shipping oil to Syria would that be violating sanctions. As such Iran supplying oil to Syria is perfectly legal under international law
 

Thank you. That clears up much.
 

Who tf is the EU to say who Iran sells it's own oil to? How dare Iran do their own business!!! Seriously....what a dumb**** thing to be bitching about.
 


The way I understand it, it's not IRAN per se selling oil to Syria, but rather the Iran Revolutionary Guard (IRG) which is under control of the Ayatollah.

Years ago, the UN had "determined"(?) several IRG members and IRG-supporting businesses as terrorists and sanctioned them and their businesses. However, the UN has neither updated the list nor enforced those sanctions in the last 10 or so years.

The US has recently "defined" (?) the whole of the IRG as a terrorist organization, subsequently putting also sanctions on businesses associated with them.
The US has determined the Adrian Darya is owned by IRG.
Iran's foreign minister said the oil is not destined for Syria.

Secretary Pompeo on twitter:
FM @JZarif guaranteed to the UK that the IRGC oil tanker #Grace1 / #AdrianDarya1 would not head to Syria. We have reliable information that the tanker is underway and headed to Tartus, Syria. I hope it changes course. It was a big mistake to trust Zarif.
4:14 PM - 30 Aug 2019


So, basically, Iran covers for a US "defined"(?) terrorist organization of which members and businesses have already been "declared"(?) as terrorists and terrorism-supporting businesses.
 

The US can sanction Iran regarding dealing with the US, and sanction other countries dealing with Iran. It does not have the legal authority to stop Iran from selling its oil or shipping its oil to countries that choose to buy it and accept US sanctions
 


Okay, I can see you don't understand the difference between Iran and IRG ...
 

She's a Trumpist. Good luck with that.
 


Good grief, man. The US didn't stop Iran, it wants to stop the IRG ...


@SecPompeo
The @StateDept’s @Rewards4Justice program is offering a reward of up to $15 million for information that disrupts the financial mechanisms of Iran’s IRGC. It’s the first time the U.S. has taken such action against another gov’t entity based on their terrorist activities.
6:00 AM - 5 Sep 2019
 

It does not have legal authority to stop IRCG shipping either
 
Fledermaus said:
So, you support the transfer of oil to a sanctioned nation?
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How many deaths have sanctions caused in Syria? We are on the side opposing Assad and that is all Bad Guys and that makes us Bad Guys. Pull very hard and perhaps you can get your head out.
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DaveFagan said:
How many deaths have sanctions caused in Syria? We are on the side opposing Assad and that is all Bad Guys and that makes us Bad Guys. Pull very hard and perhaps you can get your head out.
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CT minded folks appear incapable of answering simple yes/no questions.

Oh, and do "good guys" gas civilians and lie about it?
 
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