Iran warns on Israel destruction (1 Viewer)

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Iran warns on Israel destruction

From correspondents in Tehran
November 13, 2006 12:00

IRANIAN President Mamhoud Ahmadinejad said Israel was doomed "to destruction" and would soon disappear, in his latest verbal attack on the Jewish state, local news agencies reported.

“The great powers created the Zionist regime to extend their domination in the region. Every day this regime is massacring Palestinians,” Mr Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying late yesterday in a meeting with ministers.

“As this regime goes against the path of life, we will soon see its disappearance and its destruction.”

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,20750159-5006506,00.html

Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water here we go again. Is this the state that Democrats think will help in bringing peace to Iraq?

 

[cherokee]

Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water here we go again. Is this the state that Democrats think will help in bringing peace to Iraq?

Ahmadinejad needs to meet Allah in person....

 

[jujuman13]

The Survivors of the Holocaust were (eventually) permitted to settle in what was then Palestine. After and as a direct result of a UN reslution, they were permitted to call the patch of land they occupied, Israel. Simplistic story.
An army consisting of 7 Muslim Country's sought to throw them out or annihalate them, they failed.
Since then these Muslim states have attempted further wars with Israel with the intent of removing Israel from the map, thus far all attempts have failed.
The recent Hizbollah strike against Israel was yet a further attempt, as is the continued harassment by the Hamas and Palestinian groups.
Israel attempts to limit these incursions by taking out those that plan these outrages and further by trying to take out those that fire rockets at Israel.
It is an inevitability that mistakes will be made, as indeed has and will happen with all armed forces.
Israel would like peace, the Muslims would like dead Israeli's and a dead Israel.
Israel could and indeed may strike at Iran, perhaps this is what the religious rulers of Iran actually want.
One can wonder why they want this, could it be that Ahmadinejad is unable to supply his youth with meaningful employment? could it be that he and his fellows are so busy stealing Iranian Oil Money that they wish to have a diversion?
Possible?
So why don't people ferret out where these guys keep their stolen money and broadcast that info around the world?
You can bet your bottom Dollar that Israel is being used as an excuse, not as a reason.

I do not know what will happen, but as both Ahmadinejad and President Bush are said to believe we are in the so called 'End of day's times' I would not hold out too much for the chances for peace.

 

[Moot]

jujuman13 wrote:

I do not know what will happen, but as both Ahmadinejad and President Bush are said to believe we are in the so called 'End of day's times' I would not hold out too much for the chances for peace.

Ahmadeinejad doesn't control Iran's military or its nuclear program. The Supreme leader Grand Ayotallah Ali Khamenei and the Supreme National Security Council do.

"...The office of the Iranian President is not responsible for nuclear policy. It is instead set by the Supreme National Security Council. The council includes representatives appointed by the Supreme Leader, military officials and members of the executive, judicial and legislative branches of government (see eg. Ali Larijani), and reports directly to Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, who reportedly issued a fatwa against nuclear weapons in 2005" ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad#_note-39

In 2003, Iran's Supreme leader offered to make peace with Israel, oppose attacks by the Palestinians and pressure Hezzbollah to become a peaceful political party. The Bush administration refused to respond.

Iran’s Ahmadinejad certainly hasn’t helped himself with his unacceptable call that Israel must be “wiped off the map.” Such claims have “damaged Iran’s standing internationally at a time when the country badly needs support,” says the “BBC”, also adding that Iran has “blamed the foreign media for blowing the crisis out of proportion and accused the West of seizing on this issue to pressure Tehran over its nuclear program.”

Ahmadinejad does not hold much real power or call the shots. Instead, the Supreme Leader, the Ayatollah, does. .....

What may be of surprise to many readers is that not only is Ahmadinejad’s view a distraction, but the real leadership of Iran actually offered peace talks with Israel back in 2003. Furthermore, the US refused it.

The Foreign Policy organization, Just Foreign Policy details this further:

In 2003, in a secret memo to the U.S. government, Iran offered to make peace with Israel, oppose attacks by Palestinian groups on Israel within its 1967 borders, and pressure Hizbollah to become a peaceful political party. The Bush Administration refused to respond and continues to assert publicly that Iran wants to destroy Israel and sponsor terrorist groups. The offer, which likely still stands, directly contradicts those statements. Below is some press with more details. The episode calls into question the Administration’s truthfulness and motives with regard to Iran…

— Iran, Just Foreign Policy, Accessed October 1, 2006

In 2005, the Grand Ayotallah Ali Khamenei issued a fatwa against building nuclear weapons.

On August 9, 2005, at the meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Vienna, Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Khameni, issued a fatwa, “holy order” which forbade the stockpiling, production, and use of nuclear weapons.

This was hardly mentioned by most mainstream media outlets, rarely making headlines, while criticism of their nuclear programs did. Some, such as the BBC and CNN just about mentioned it but as subtexts to other articles, such as a question and answer series on the nuclear standoff, and of Iran breaking seals at a nuclear plant.

What is understandable, especially from the Bush Administration and its supporters, is that this fatwa is likely to be treated skeptically. It will is easy to dismiss this as a lie or a smokescreen that will take them down the path of nuclear weapons at a later stage. (Although it is also not clear how likely it would be for an Islamic cleric to issue a fatwa under false pretenses.)

It would be hard to know for sure, because under international law, Iran has the right to pursue nuclear enrichment for peaceful purposes, such as nuclear energy. Brazil recently announced it would be enriching uranium, for example. However, because it is not seen as hostile as Iran is by the US and UK, it is not perceived as a dangerous move....
http://www.globalissues.org/Geopoli...SupremeLeaderissuedFatwaagainstnuclearweapons

So somebody, please tell me what negotiations or diplomacy has the US done with Iran?

With Bush now getting rid of his Neocon advisors and bringing in more credible and sane adivisors, maybe now we can finally get down to the business of building peace in the Middle East. But as long as Bush remains in office...I won't hold my breath.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Ahmadeinejad doesn't control Iran's military or its nuclear program. The Supreme leader Grand Ayotallah Ali Khamenei and the Supreme National Security Council do.

Ya and he's even more batshit crazy than Ahmadinejad, and his taqiyya bullshit doesn't fool me for a second. Are you seriously proposing that the Ayatollah is more moderate than Ahmadinejad? Give me a break.

 

[Moot]

Ya and he's even more batshit crazy than Ahmadinejad, and his taqiyya bullshit doesn't fool me for a second. Are you seriously proposing that the Ayatollah is more moderate than Ahmadinejad? Give me a break.

I'm saying you should probably pay more attention to Iran's supreme leaders more than to the ridiculous rantings Ahmadinejad who doesn't have the ultimate power in Iran.

It would be highly unusual for a Grand Ayotallah to issue a fatwa under false pretenses. But it would not be unusual for Bush to spew rhetoric under false pretenses as we have already witnessed too many times to count.

By issuing a fatwa against building nuclear weapons and showing a willingness to help fight against terrorism and to diplomatic negotiate with the US, the Ayotollah has already proven he is more moderate than Ahmadinejad or Bush for that matter.

But the fact that you believe Rightwing propaganda without question has already proven how easily you can be fooled.

 

[ProudAmerican]

By issuing a fatwa against building nuclear weapons and showing a willingness to help fight against terrorism and to diplomatic negotiate with the US, the Ayotollah has already proven he is more moderate than Ahmadinejad or Bush for that matter.

so by this comment, I take it that Iran is in full compliance with UN demands?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,229217,00.html?sPage=fnc.world/iran

Much of the IAEA probe has focused on Iran's enrichment program — while Iran says it wants only to enrich to low levels to generate power, some of the samples found by IAEA inspectors show levels higher than that. That could indicate attempts to reach nuclear weapons-grade enrichment, something Tehran denies.

someones falling for B.S. propaganda all right, and it aint TOT.

 

[Gardener]

But the fact that you believe Rightwing propaganda without question has already proven how easily you can be fooled.

Said by one who places her faith in the Mullahs unquestioningly.

 

[Gill]

I'm saying you should probably pay more attention to Iran's supreme leaders more than to the ridiculous rantings Ahmadinejad who doesn't have the ultimate power in Iran.

It would be highly unusual for a Grand Ayotallah to issue a fatwa under false pretenses. But it would not be unusual for Bush to spew rhetoric under false pretenses as we have already witnessed too many times to count.

By issuing a fatwa against building nuclear weapons and showing a willingness to help fight against terrorism and to diplomatic negotiate with the US, the Ayotollah has already proven he is more moderate than Ahmadinejad or Bush for that matter.

But the fact that you believe Rightwing propaganda without question has already proven how easily you can be fooled.

Looks like someone forgot to tell Ahmadinejad about the fatwa.

TEHRAN, Iran -- President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Tuesday said Iran would soon celebrate completion of its controversial nuclear fuel program.

"With the wisdom and resistance of the nation, today our position has stabilized. I'm very hopeful that we will be able to hold the big celebration of Iran's full nuclearization in the current year," the hard-line president said referring to the country's nuclear fuel program.

Iran's current calendar year ends on March 20.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/14/AR2006111400230_pf.html

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I'm saying you should probably pay more attention to Iran's supreme leaders more than to the ridiculous rantings Ahmadinejad who doesn't have the ultimate power in Iran.

It would be highly unusual for a Grand Ayotallah to issue a fatwa under false pretenses. But it would not be unusual for Bush to spew rhetoric under false pretenses as we have already witnessed too many times to count.

By issuing a fatwa against building nuclear weapons and showing a willingness to help fight against terrorism and to diplomatic negotiate with the US, the Ayotollah has already proven he is more moderate than Ahmadinejad or Bush for that matter.

But the fact that you believe Rightwing propaganda without question has already proven how easily you can be fooled.

We have a free press, the Ayatollah's are fanatical religious fanatics with a state owned media, and I don't believe their taqiyya bullshit whatsoever, they are waiting for the return of the 12th Iman, and think the best way to bring about his return is to cause as much chaos on this earth as possible.