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Iran shoots down U.S. spy drone amid growing military pressure

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It's going to hit the fan real soon, folks.


Iranian troops have shot down a U.S. pilotless spy plane recently, an Iranian lawmaker announced on Tuesday as the Islamic Republic was facing increasing military pressure from its arch rival -- the United States.

Xinhua - English
 
CurrentAffairs said:
It's going to hit the fan real soon, folks.


Iranian troops have shot down a U.S. pilotless spy plane recently, an Iranian lawmaker announced on Tuesday as the Islamic Republic was facing increasing military pressure from its arch rival -- the United States.

Xinhua - English
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Not sure if I believe it..
I'm thinking they would be boasting about it with the wreckage all over the news or something like that... but I could be wrong....
 
Ummm...yeah...I say we just nuke the bastards and just use the glass(sand? nuke? high temperatures?get it? LOL) we get and export it to China. See how they like some premium quality Iranian glass. Theres no way they have more nukes then we or Israel do. So I say we send them back to the stone age...wait nvm they just go "Thanks for the Upgrade!" but I say we do them before they try anything on us. And Bushies....no mistakes this time? :|
 
CurrentAffairs said:
It's going to hit the fan real soon, folks.
Iranian troops have shot down a U.S. pilotless spy plane recently, an Iranian lawmaker announced on Tuesday as the Islamic Republic was facing increasing military pressure from its arch rival -- the United States.
Xinhua - English
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Even if this is true -- it depends a lot on where the UAV was when it was shot down. There arent a lot of specifics in this article.
 
Q To the military guys : Is this an act of war?
 
Hatuey said:
Q To the military guys : Is this an act of war?
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Depends on a lot of things -- there's not enough information in the story to tell.
 
Hatuey said:
Q To the military guys : Is this an act of war?
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Terminating a spycraft is not considered an act of war because soverign airspace was typically violated.
 
Tashah said:
Terminating a spycraft is not considered an act of war because soverign airspace was typically violated.
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Presuming that the UAV was shot down ovr Iran, yes.
 
If they shot it down when it was over Iran, they have every right to do so.
 
What do you reckon the US would do if Iranian spy planes were overflying US airspace?
 
CurrentAffairs said:
It's going to hit the fan real soon, folks.
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You figure the Bush Administration is going to provoke a war with Iran in an attempt to divert attention from their disaster in Iraq?

Unfortunately, not an unlikely scenario.
 
TheNextEra said:
If they shot it down when it was over Iran, they have every right to do so.
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Certainly.
But its not clear what - if anything - happened.
 
Iriemon said:
You figure the Bush Administration is going to provoke a war with Iran in an attempt to divert attention from their disaster in Iraq?

Unfortunately, not an unlikely scenario.
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No; I think our continued presence in Iraq is the "distraction" for the President's true objective: war with Iran.
 
Goobieman said:
Certainly.
But its not clear what - if anything - happened.
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If Iran flew a spyplane NEAR the U.S. airspace, but not over it, don't you think we'd shoot it down and claim it was over U.S. airspace?

If you don't think we would, I have a bridge to sell you.
 
TheNextEra said:
If Iran flew a spyplane NEAR the U.S. airspace, but not over it, don't you think we'd shoot it down and claim it was over U.S. airspace?
If you don't think we would, I have a bridge to sell you.
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Except, of course, we'd be expected to "prove" it, not something so easily done when you;re trying to "prove" something that's not true --- especially when there would be ample evidence to the contrary.

I'm perfectly willing to accept the idea that we did fly a UAV into Iranian airspace and if that were the case the Iranians were perfectly within their rights to shoot it down -- but as I have said several times, the information on the story isnt complete, so we dont know if that was the case or not.

Did the Iranians claim it was in their airspace? Considering my stupulation and your scenario, why haven't they?
 
You break it you buy it and shut up. If we flew over their airspace they have the right and the duty to shoot it down. We'd do the same. And if we didn't we would be idiots.
 
I posted the below in part on a TOT thread.

If Bush really really wanted to get Iran and Syria off his our backs he could do worse than actively encorouage this idea.
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(Another possibility would be to encourage the Kurds with their claim of the right to their own Territory which is currently in parts of Iraq/Syria/Iran. as well as Turkey.
What was originally seen by them as being Kurdistan, by encouraging them to at least reclaim those parts of that country currently within the borders of Iran and Syria, would I believe take an enormous amount of Syrian and Iranian attention away from Iraq.
Natuarally it would probably be the cause of anther conflagration in the Mid East.
But it would also almost certainly cause Iran and Syria to sit up and take notice, it would also cause the Maliki Gov. to take a step back and start thinking, what would happen if Kurdistan became an actuality, most of Iraqi oil is in Kurd held Territory.)

As a reponse to this thread, at the moment we have insufficient accurate news as to whose Territory this drone was overflying at the time it was shot down, assuming that a drone was actually shot down.
If there was a drone and it was overflying Iranian territory then the Iranians are within their sovereign rights in shooting it down, if on the other hand it was in fact flying over Iraqi Territory then Iraq would need to be the country to take whatever action it deemed necessary (which in actual fact would be zilch).

I do not think the US would have any legal rights in either instance.
Probably just requisition another drone.
 
jujuman13 said:
As a reponse to this thread, at the moment we have insufficient accurate news as to whose Territory this drone was overflying at the time it was shot down, assuming that a drone was actually shot down.
If there was a drone and it was overflying Iranian territory then the Iranians are within their sovereign rights in shooting it down, if on the other hand it was in fact flying over Iraqi Territory then Iraq would need to be the country to take whatever action it deemed necessary (which in actual fact would be zilch).

I do not think the US would have any legal rights in either instance.
Probably just requisition another drone.
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Exactly. If it was in Iranian airspace they have every right to shoot down a spy drone. If it was over Iraqi airspace I guess we could claim for damages but this is hardly an event which lends support to the warmongers plan for conflict with Iran.

An Iranian spy drone over or around the US would suffer exactly the same fate.
 
Iriemon said:
You figure the Bush Administration is going to provoke a war with Iran in an attempt to divert attention from their disaster in Iraq?

Unfortunately, not an unlikely scenario.
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So, let me get this straight...

Iran shot down one of our planes, and you are wondering if we will provoke a war? :roll:
 
CurrentAffairs said:
So, let me get this straight...

Iran shot down one of our planes, and you are wondering if we will provoke a war? :roll:
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From what is said here they shot it down over their own country. You think it's OK if we send spy planes over someone else's country with impunity but if they send one over ours we shoot it down? Strange logic to say the least. And pretty arrogant.
 
CurrentAffairs said:
So, let me get this straight...

Iran shot down one of our planes, and you are wondering if we will provoke a war? :roll:
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Oh please.....one could easily argue that flying a military spy plane over another nations sovereign airspace was an act of war to begin with.
And even if it was shot down over Iraq then it would be for the Iraqi govt to take action, course since their best buddies with Iran that ain't gonna happen.

However, not everyone is so eager to jump to war as the bushies and their apologists.

This is such a minor issue yet any excuse to make war I guess...:(

One failed campaign in the ME not a good enough legacy?
 
Inuyasha said:
From what is said here they shot it down over their own country. You think it's OK if we send spy planes over someone else's country with impunity but if they send one over ours we shoot it down? Strange logic to say the least. And pretty arrogant.
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First, it has not been determined whether it was flying in Iran's air space. Other posters have speculated, but no one knows at this time. Second, calling other posters names, such as arrogant, is against forum rules.
 
G-Man said:
However, not everyone is so eager to jump to war as the bushies and their apologists.
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Did a "bushie" or an "apologist" say anything about this provoking war? Nope. That's just you trying to find more to hate.
 
CurrentAffairs said:
First, it has not been determined whether it was flying in Iran's air space. Other posters have speculated, but no one knows at this time. Second, calling other posters names, such as arrogant, is against forum rules.
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1. Since Iran has no anti-aircraft batteries in Iraq, Pakistan or Afghanistan logic tells us the plan must have been over Iran.

Second I did not call YOU arrogant I said your LOGIC was arrogant.

I would not call you any names. You are not that imporant to me. You are just a nickname on a monitor. Don't be so thin skinned. and please do assume that you are that important. That IS an insult.
 
CurrentAffairs said:
Did a "bushie" or an "apologist" say anything about this provoking war? Nope. That's just you trying to find more to hate.
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You referred to provoking a war in your early post and you are a supporter of President Bush (a group which is often referred to as bushies) so I fail to see the problem.

And I don't hate - I don't agree with his failing policies but thats quite a different thing.

Back to the thread...if you think shooting down a spy drone (whether over Iran or Iraq) should encourage the President to take military action then I would argue you are over eager to engage in military activity.

We have a mission in Afghanistan thats no where near completed.
We have a mission in Iraq which is failing dramatically
We have lost all our international support

Now is not the time for another failed foreign policy from the President
 
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