___________________Simpleχity;1064547523 said:Thousands of Iranian dissenters have perished in Tehran's notorious Evin prison. And perhaps you're too young to remember the bloody murder of Neda Agha Soltan in 2009.
You also seem to forget the hundreds of US military/embassy personnel killed by Hezbollah bombs in Beirut, East Beirut, and Khobar Towers.
Iran also held US embassy staff hostage in Iran for 444 days. Not an aggressive dictatorship? Are you delusional?
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I'd prefer to stay on topic but please take a look at:
“SEVEN THINGS YOU DIDN’T KNOW THE U.S. AND ITS ALLIES DID TO IRAN”
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/04/07/10-things-didnt-know-weve-done-iran/
If I respond more thoroughly, I am criticized for bring up more brutal, US funded Regimes, if I don't, I'm accused as being evasive.
I'm not aware of Iran's military ever attacking the US. CSI Forensics ruled out Hezbollah as the bomb maker for the Marine barracks.
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The latest word from the Pentagon is that the US Navy is NOT "Intercepting Iranian ships" nor has Iran expressed an interest in resupplying the Yemeni Rebels:
“Pentagon: US Warship Repositioning, Not Intercepting Iranian Ships Off Yemen”
Yemen Brings US, Iran Closer to Naval Face-Off
EXCERPT "On Saturday, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said the presence of Iranian naval ships "in the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Aden is intended to ensure the security of neighboring countries and maritime traffic."CONTINUED
I strongly suspect that Iran is in no way interested in upsetting the progress & benefits of the current momentum Re: Nuke Talks, S-300 Sale etc
Thanks
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The writer to whom I was responding brought up "aggressive dictatorships" while Iran is neither. I only cited an existing plan of aggression: Oden Yinon Plan which readers are well advised to research more recent & reliable sources themselves instead of relying on your "cherry picked", out dated source
There is nothing new or aggressive about Iranian ships patrolling those waters as they have been doing so since 2008. They are certainly monitoring events in Yemen as are other ships in the area.
“Iran sends warships to monitor Yemen's coast”
Iran sends warships to monitor Yemen's coast ? RT News
EXCERPT “According to Tehran officials, the warships will be protecting a crucial trade route against pirates. THE Iranian Navy has been conducting such patrols since 2008."CONTINUED
The best indicator of Iran's propensity for aggression is its history. You are still unable to name a single country Iran has attacked or invaded.
I've been posting in the M.E. section &, predictably, heard not a note from you.
Your empty threats, dishonest insults & bellicose jargon are forbidden here & serve neither to be truthful, intimidating nor civil.
b'smith said:All it takes is a visit to Iran to find that they have a fondness for the American people.
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And that would mean something if Iran wasn't a theocratic dictator ship that has a national death to America day and holds regular death to America rallies.
How do you know.
Have you ever traveled throughout the Islamic world or had extended stays in completely different cultures. I spent 10 - 11 months hitch-hiking, walking etc in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Turkey etc without a single hostile encounter even though I looked American.
The "Death to America" stuff is all meaningless hyperbole as explained by the following author:
“Iran is the most charming country on Earth”
John Simpson: Iran is the most charming country on Earth - Telegraph
Excerpt “In Tehran, you will encounter a genuine delight to see you: a distinctly old-fashioned affection for westerners, who have vanished from everyday life.
A few discerning people are coming back quite starry-eyed from their visits there.
What always strikes me in Iran is the normality of it.
Of course I do not want U.S. servicemen fighting anyone, anywhere. The best way to make sure they never have to is to maintain a very strong military and make clear we will use it if necessary. The Islamist thugs in Tehran are acting aggressively exactly because of this president's weakness--he has spent six years inviting their aggression.
Actually it was GW Bush who invaded and conquered Iran's biggest enemy and handed Iraq to them on a silver platter. Without Iraq to worry about, Iran was able to reach out and help its friends in Gaza and Lebanon and expand it influence in the region further destabilizing it. Bush was the Shiite and Iran's hero and Obama has nothing to do but try and make sense of it all. It is a perfect example of why having the most powerful military in the world doesn't mean a GD thing if you do STUPID things with it.
Simpleχity;1064543279 said:Do you also support the US selling to KSA the high-tech weapons platforms that they will undoubtedly request in order to facilitate regional stability?
In other words, do you support relinquishing the US high-tech weapons edge if this results is less direct US involvement? For example, it's no secret that the KSA has its eye on the new F-35.
I'm just curious about what trade-offs are acceptable in your view.
Congratulations on combining a false and hackneyed attack on President Bush with a stirring apologia for the American-hating commie liar who is now disgracing the White House. That is a stock bit of leftist propaganda designed to cover B. Hussein Obama's rear. Good luck selling it to anyone but the most loyal supporters of MSNBC, the Daily Kos, and Mother Jones.
So GW Bush didn't invade Iraq and install a Shiite Govt. sympathetic to Iran? LOL You are the liar.
Calling me a liar is just the kind of personal attack people who share your political views rely on so heavily, and for good reason--you hope it will hide how weak your game is. But it does not make your lame attempt to whitewash your America-hating president's disastrous foreign policy any more believable.
Iran now controls FOUR M-E Capitals and carries on aggression with several groups with several Proxy Wars.
(re 'Shia Cresecent')
The Gulf and Sunni States are Worried about IRAN and it's Nukes, NOT Israel.
This is not a zio-Neocon hang up.
I already debunked your DAILY Mantra of the NON-issue 'Yinon' plan.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...an-start-oil-goods-swap-5.html#post1064528801
Get some New stuff, and Stop GRATUITOUSLY Dragging your 'Israel' hang up into EVERY IRAN String/Post.
Same crap EVERY day/post.
You want to discuss Israel instead of casually/wackily slander it in every post, come on down to the M-E section and face the music.
Simpleχity;1064547523 said:Thousands of Iranian dissenters have perished in Tehran's notorious Evin prison. And perhaps you're too young to remember the bloody murder of Neda Agha Soltan in 2009.
You also seem to forget the hundreds of US military/embassy personnel killed by Hezbollah bombs in Beirut, East Beirut, and Khobar Towers.
Iran also held US embassy staff hostage in Iran for 444 days. Not an aggressive dictatorship? Are you delusional?
And that would mean something if Iran wasn't a theocratic dictator ship that has a national death to America day and holds regular death to America rallies.
Calling me a liar is just the kind of personal attack people who share your political views rely on so heavily, and for good reason--you hope it will hide how weak your game is. But it does not make your lame attempt to whitewash your America-hating president's disastrous foreign policy any more believable.
And that would mean something if Iran wasn't a theocratic dictator ship that has a national death to America day and holds regular death to America rallies.
LOL You still deny that Bush invaded Iraq and ousted Iran's biggest enemy? You can't handle the truth and it is sad.
Our president - Jimmy Carter - refused to help the Shah hold power in Iran, which would have pleased most of the Iranian people who didn't want to be dominated by islamo radicals. Iran is a case of the majority being oppressed by a minority of people willing to do anything to be in power. What you call interference was US corporation with the Shah who was bringing the Iranian people out of the middle ages into the modern world and you would rather we left them in the hands of these tyrannical islamo dogs that stone homos, christians and people who try to convert to some other religion..Of course Iran will oppose US troop presence in the Middle East, kind of a no brainer. And you ignore the decades of US interference in Iran that have caused the responses to which you complain. That's what happens when you harm people, they usually seek to harm you back. You like to forget what the US has done in the ME for near a century now.
Our president - Jimmy Carter - refused to help the Shah hold power in Iran, which would have pleased most of the Iranian people who didn't want to be dominated by islamo radicals. Iran is a case of the majority being oppressed by a minority of people willing to do anything to be in power. What you call interference was US corporation with the Shah who was bringing the Iranian people out of the middle ages into the modern world and you would rather we left them in the hands of these tyrannical islamo dogs that stone homos, christians and people who try to convert to some other religion..
Will, the US has poured trillions of dollars in to the Middle East. Some of the smaller countries have built great cities with that money. Saudi has build a few hospitals and bought a lot of fancy cars and rhino horn knives. While other countries like Iraq have oppressed their own people because of religious and tribal differences and maniacal leaders like Saddam but the liberal horde liked Saddam and his insane sons so the left is sad that they are dead.The US has done NOTHING to improve the lot in the Middle East. As a matter of fact, for all of our interference, the Middle East is in ruins.
Will, the US has poured trillions of dollars in to the Middle East. Some of the smaller countries have built great cities with that money. Saudi has build a few hospitals and bought a lot of fancy cars and rhino horn knives. While other countries like Iraq have oppressed their own people because of religious and tribal differences and maniacal leaders like Saddam but the liberal horde liked Saddam and his insane sons so the left is sad that they are dead.
I wanted them dead to show the islamos that we would go there and kill their leaders after 9/11 and we couldn't kill the king of Saudi without really hurting oil production which would have killed our economy which was already hurt by 9/11.
If we had it to do over again I would have let the CIA kill Saddam and his sons.
As for these Iranian ships: Our carriers are nuke capable but I doubt that they have any nuclear weapons with them. We could still sink those nine ships all at the same second if we wanted and maybe it would be a good idea. I think that the Iranians would change their tune about getting a nuclear weapon if we showed a little back bone.
I don't know if we still have our "Rods from God" in orbit but I love those things. One of these high density rods about twenty feet long traveling at 40,000 MPH would penetrate deep enough into the Earth to reach that buried Iranian nuclear factory.
Biden Once Called Iraq One of Obama's 'Great Achievements' | The Weekly Standard
What was one of Obama's Great Achievements was blown away when he pulled out of Iraq and left Iraq defenseless and now it's in flames.
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