Red:Out of curiosity, how many liberals/democrats would be adamantly against any investigation into voter fraud?
How many conservatives/republicans are adamantly against the investigation into whether or not the Trump campaign colluded with Russia in election meddling?
My personal feeling is: investigations get to the bottom of what happened. Even if they cost taxpayer dollars, if there is evidence of a crime, I'm absolutely on board with finding out what happened and who is responsible, regardless of their political party.
My suspicion is that most democrats and liberals would be just fine with an investigation into voter fraud. In my experience, most republicans and conservatives, (that I interact with, anyway) are against any investigation into Russian collusion.
If you are for one and against the other, why?
That depends on how and why the investigations are conducted.Out of curiosity, how many liberals/democrats would be adamantly against any investigation into voter fraud?
Yeah, the thing is: There is very little evidence of voter fraud. Republicans have been in charge of elections in a lot of states for years, and keep looking for wide-spread fraud, and keep not finding it, and keep "investigating" it.My personal feeling is: investigations get to the bottom of what happened. Even if they cost taxpayer dollars, if there is evidence of a crime, I'm absolutely on board with finding out what happened and who is responsible, regardless of their political party.
My personal feeling is: investigations get to the bottom of what happened.
Out of curiosity, how many liberals/democrats would be adamantly against any investigation into voter fraud?
How many conservatives/republicans are adamantly against the investigation into whether or not the Trump campaign colluded with Russia in election meddling?
My personal feeling is: investigations get to the bottom of what happened. Even if they cost taxpayer dollars, if there is evidence of a crime, I'm absolutely on board with finding out what happened and who is responsible, regardless of their political party.
My suspicion is that most democrats and liberals would be just fine with an investigation into voter fraud. In my experience, most republicans and conservatives, (that I interact with, anyway) are against any investigation into Russian collusion.
If you are for one and against the other, why?
Red:
I think had you added a poll to the thread, you'd have an efficient way to obtain your answer, or at least as good a one as you'll here get.
That depends on how and why the investigations are conducted.
If an electoral board is conducting routine checks into election security, that's fine.
If an electoral board has received reports of voter fraud, that's fine.
If there are almost no reports and almost no evidence of voter fraud, and the state launches a massive multi-million dollar campaign into voter fraud, and the secretary of state has complained about voter fraud with no evidence thereof, and has a habit of closing polling stations in minority communities... Then that's a problem.
A lot of these investigations are not happening in a vacuum. Many states have a long history of voter suppression, and in many respects the complaints about voter fraud is just another voter suppression tool and/or means to delegitimize elections.
Yeah, the thing is: There is very little evidence of voter fraud. Republicans have been in charge of elections in a lot of states for years, and keep looking for wide-spread fraud, and keep not finding it, and keep "investigating" it.
Not all investigations are justified.
Like the famous Kobach voter-fraud 2016 investigation? He's so bad red-state Kansas elected a Democrat governor rather than suffer with Kobach.
Good point. Is it possible to do it after the fact?
Out of curiosity, how many liberals/democrats would be adamantly against any investigation into voter fraud?
How many conservatives/republicans are adamantly against the investigation into whether or not the Trump campaign colluded with Russia in election meddling?
My personal feeling is: investigations get to the bottom of what happened. Even if they cost taxpayer dollars, if there is evidence of a crime, I'm absolutely on board with finding out what happened and who is responsible, regardless of their political party.
My suspicion is that most democrats and liberals would be just fine with an investigation into voter fraud. In my experience, most republicans and conservatives, (that I interact with, anyway) are against any investigation into Russian collusion.
If you are for one and against the other, why?
Problem is there is next to no voter fraud.
The real crime is in election fraud and disenfranchisement, but that is almost never investigated... just look at Georgia.
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Voter fraud has been investigated. Trump had a commission put into motion to investigate it. Verdict? Not a big enough problem to impact most elections.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/report-trump-commission-did-not-find-widespread-voter-fraud
It's repubs making audacious claims, like Trump claiming of Hillary's 3 million votes she won the popular vote by were illegal immigrants.
How are we to take repubs seriously with claims like that?
There is far more evidence of republican voter suppression, which is a kind of voter fraud, though they are manipulating the vote, than there is of voter fraud of individual voters.
Should we investigate both? If it puts minds at ease, is it OK to start an unwarranted investigation?
No. Beyond routine checks (which are typically non-intrusive), that is either mob rule, or harassment, or an attempt to disenfranchise a community, or an attempt to discredit the electoral process altogether.True. I guess at that point the argument would be about what constitutes justification.
How about this: If enough people demand an unjustified investigation, can it become justified?
Out of curiosity, how many liberals/democrats would be adamantly against any investigation into voter fraud?
How many conservatives/republicans are adamantly against the investigation into whether or not the Trump campaign colluded with Russia in election meddling?
My personal feeling is: investigations get to the bottom of what happened. Even if they cost taxpayer dollars, if there is evidence of a crime, I'm absolutely on board with finding out what happened and who is responsible, regardless of their political party.
My suspicion is that most democrats and liberals would be just fine with an investigation into voter fraud. In my experience, most republicans and conservatives, (that I interact with, anyway) are against any investigation into Russian collusion.
If you are for one and against the other, why?
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