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Interesting Website guys! Science/Abortion

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Developmental Biology 8e Online: When Does Human Life Begin?

This website has a wide range of perspectives on Abortion. I have read over a lot of yalls opinions ranging from Infanticide to Pro Life, to Pro choice, to ANti Abortion. I think that this website Encompasses most views. I found it a very interesting read. Since me and my roommate got in a heated debate for 5 hours about what defines human life, leading me back to this site which i havnt been too in a long while. missed all yall :D. Even if it doesnt encompass your view, it should be a interesting/ non biased website. If you find something you don't like, im sorry, i found it this morning and it seemed very informal to me and my roommate. Best of luck and please post your responses on what you all thought! Thanks guys. I wanna hear yall's opinions after readin it and stuff. Thanks!
 
Developmental Biology 8e Online: When Does Human Life Begin?

This website has a wide range of perspectives on Abortion. I have read over a lot of yalls opinions ranging from Infanticide to Pro Life, to Pro choice, to ANti Abortion. I think that this website Encompasses most views. I found it a very interesting read. Since me and my roommate got in a heated debate for 5 hours about what defines human life, leading me back to this site which i havnt been too in a long while. missed all yall :D. Even if it doesnt encompass your view, it should be a interesting/ non biased website. If you find something you don't like, im sorry, i found it this morning and it seemed very informal to me and my roommate. Best of luck and please post your responses on what you all thought! Thanks guys. I wanna hear yall's opinions after readin it and stuff. Thanks!
It is very interesting to see the Jewish and then christian perspectives on abortion, particularly the catholic view.
 
I've got a ton of stuff you could try on your room mate...and from an athiest.

You see we were all once a fetus................
Is it beyond the realm of possibilities that when your mother first learned she was carrying you, she may have considered her options? What if she had decided to terminate? Would that have been OK?
You would not exist, if you have children they would not exist, and your (husband or wife) would be married to someone else. You would have been deprived of all your experiences and memories. In this day and age with terminations being so readily available and so many being carried out, if you make it to full term you can consider yourself lucky.
Lucky you had a mother that made the choice of life for you.

Don't you think they all deserve the same basic human right, LIFE?

At the point of conception is when life began for you. This was the start of your existence. Your own personal big bang. Three weeks after conception heart started to beat. First brain waves recorded at six weeks after conception. Seen sucking thumb at seven weeks after conception.

egg+sperm = human being

I know what your thinking.....soon after conception...all you'd have is a clump of cells......Then at least concider this -

Soon after you were conceived you were no more than a clump of cells.
This clump of cells was you at your earliest stage, you had plenty of growing to do but this clump of cells was you none the less.
Think about it.
Aren't you glad you were left unhindered.... to develope further.
Safe inside your mother's womb until you were born.

Some people get it.
 
NOTE: words such as "you" and "your" which appear below are not intended to refer to the Original Poster in this Message Thread.

When does human life begin? Heh, any paleontologist can tell you that hominid life began millions of years ago, and anatomically modern human life began more than 100,000 years ago. Or, of course, any biologist can tell you that an individual human life begins with fertilization of an egg.

So? There is still one more question to be asked, that pro-lifers cannot answer:
"WHY DOES IT MATTER?"

Your mere say-so that it matters is irrelevant. And your mere say-so, that somebody else (such as God) said it matters, is also irrelevant. FACTS are relevant, not mere unsupported opinions.

Now, because you have Free Will, you might say something like, "My life matters to me, because I choose it to matter." This is actually a valid argument --but it only applies to you. You cannot make that argument for someone else, such as someone bent on committing suicide, for example, because normally you are in charge of your life only, and you are normally not in charge of the other person's life. So you can try to convince the other person that his or her life matters to that person, or matters to some other person, but you cannot force that bent-on-suicide person to exercise Free Will to agree with you.

With the preceding in mind, now consider a human that does not have any Free Will, such as a man that is brain-dead and on full life-support. This particular human life exists, but that existence certainly cannot matter to himself; a dead brain means he hasn't any ability to have any opinion of any sort. Well, then, now we get to ask, "Does this brain-dead human life matter to anyone else?" It might or might not, after all --let's suppose it matters to YOU. But a second and possibly more relevant question is, "Who is in charge of this brain-dead human life?" --let's suppose this is NOT you. What are your options, should the person-in-charge decide to "pull the plug" on that brain-dead human life? As mentioned above, you could try to convince the person-in-charge that the brain-dead-human life matters. What if the response was, "Prove it!" ? Can you think of any other way to prove that that brain-dead human life matters to you, than by "taking over" and becoming the person-in-charge of that brain-dead human life?

The preceding now brings us to the Abortion Debate. An unborn human life does not have Free Will; its actions are entirely of the stimulus/response biological-robot variety. Free Will requires more brain-power than it possesses, especially at the early stages of pregnancy. Therefore it cannot exercise Free Will, and claim that its life matters to itself. Meanwhile, the person-in-charge of that unborn human life is the mother; does that life matter to the mother? The evidence is, sometimes it doesn't matter to the mother (or it negatively matters), and that's why abortions are sought. Similar to the bent-on-suicide case mentioned above, you can try to convince the mother that that unborn human life positively matters (and you most certainly need more facts than mere say-so!), but you cannot force her to exercise Free Will to agree with you.

Furthermore, if you want to claim that that unborn human life matters to you, how would you prove it? You certainly are not able to become the person-in-charge; "pregnancy transplants" simply don't exist and may be practically impossible (due to complexity of placenta/uterus interface). I've suggested in other Messages that you could "put your money where your mouth is", and pay all the prenatal and other medical costs associated with carrying a pregnancy to term, plus paying all the costs that are incurred after birth. Surprisingly few pro-lifers (or anti-abortionists) have expressed interest in this method of proving that every single unborn human life matters. Tsk, tsk. Why should anyone else pay to support what you believe?
 
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I've got a ton of stuff you could try on your room mate...and from an athiest.

You see we were all once a fetus................
Is it beyond the realm of possibilities that when your mother first learned she was carrying you, she may have considered her options? What if she had decided to terminate? Would that have been OK?
You would not exist, if you have children they would not exist, and your (husband or wife) would be married to someone else. You would have been deprived of all your experiences and memories. In this day and age with terminations being so readily available and so many being carried out, if you make it to full term you can consider yourself lucky.
Lucky you had a mother that made the choice of life for you.

Don't you think they all deserve the same basic human right, LIFE?

At the point of conception is when life began for you. This was the start of your existence. Your own personal big bang. Three weeks after conception heart started to beat. First brain waves recorded at six weeks after conception. Seen sucking thumb at seven weeks after conception.

egg+sperm = human being

I know what your thinking.....soon after conception...all you'd have is a clump of cells......Then at least concider this -

Soon after you were conceived you were no more than a clump of cells.
This clump of cells was you at your earliest stage, you had plenty of growing to do but this clump of cells was you none the less.
Think about it.
Aren't you glad you were left unhindered.... to develope further.
Safe inside your mother's womb until you were born.

Some people get it.

Fine with me. I had no brain at the time, so I wouldn't have had the capacity to care or decide.

On thumb-sucking- at seven weeks, the fetus is the size of a raspberry. It's arms are small buds sticking out of a lumb of human-shaped cells. It HAS no thumbs:doh . For the sake of those who enjoy actual debate, would you mind at least putting forth a factual argument?

Just wondering.
 
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