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Interesting fact about the history of Ukraine, Russia and the USA

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After the fall of the USSR, Ukraine had a huge arsenal of nuclear weapons. To encourage Ukraine to give up the weapons and return them to Russia, the USA and Russia told Ukraine that their national integrity would be assured by the two countries. Now we have one of those countries ready to invade Ukraine. It would seem that no country should believe anything from Russia while Putin is the dictator.
 
After the fall of the USSR, Ukraine had a huge arsenal of nuclear weapons. To encourage Ukraine to give up the weapons and return them to Russia, the USA and Russia told Ukraine that their national integrity would be assured by the two countries. Now we have one of those countries ready to invade Ukraine. It would seem that no country should believe anything from Russia while Putin is the dictator.
No one should have ever believed anything Russia says.
 
I say Russia will not attack as both sides are in communication ANDDDDDDDDDD other countries are
not supporting Russia for one is Germany.
 
No one should have ever believed anything Russia says.
Exquisitor:

Russia has no mouth, only mouthpieces. Don't believe the mouthpieces unless you can verify the truth of what they are saying independently. That suspension of belief pending verification goes for mouthpieces from all states around the world.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.
 
If Russia invades, the attacking force is outnumbered by the defending force. It would be disastrous for the aggressor. That is Military Strategy 101.

If Putin decides to invade, he will not only suffer a military defeat, but an economic calamity caused by Western sanctions as well. Russia's economy is vulnerable. It relies almost entirely on exporting energy products. That will come to an abrupt end if Russia invades, and Putin is not stupid.
President Biden told Americans that Putin has made up his mind. He will invade Ukraine, according to the President.

If Putin invades Ukraine, it would be the Soviet/Afghan War all over again, and with it, the collapse of the Soviet Union.

In April 2005, Putin said the Soviet collapse was a tragedy for Russians.

“First and foremost it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century,” Putin said. “As for the Russian people, it became a genuine tragedy. Tens of millions of our fellow citizens and countrymen found themselves beyond the fringes of Russian territory.

“The epidemic of collapse has spilled over to Russia itself,” he said.

The Afghan fighting force was puny compared to the Ukrainian army, second in size in Europe to Russia's army.

The Soviet–Afghan War was a conflict wherein insurgent groups known collectively as the Mujahideen fought a nine-year guerrilla war against the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan (DRA) and the Soviet Army. Eventually the Soviet army had to withdraw in defeat.

The war was costly in bodies and cash, largely bankrupting the Soviet Union. Western sanctions contributed to the bankruptcy. Two years later the Soviet Union collapsed.

The collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 was one of the biggest historic events of Twentieth Century. The occupation of Afghanistan caused irreversible internal conflicts between the Soviet republics and the Soviet government.

“First and foremost it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.”

Will Putin cause Russia to make the same mistake again?

Despite the words of our President, there are serious doubts.
 
President Biden told Americans that Putin has made up his mind. He will invade Ukraine, according to the President.

If Putin invades Ukraine, it would be the Soviet/Afghan War all over again, and with it, the collapse of the Soviet Union.

In April 2005, Putin said the Soviet collapse was a tragedy for Russians.

“First and foremost it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century,” Putin said. “As for the Russian people, it became a genuine tragedy. Tens of millions of our fellow citizens and countrymen found themselves beyond the fringes of Russian territory.

“The epidemic of collapse has spilled over to Russia itself,” he said.

The Afghan fighting force was puny compared to the Ukrainian army, second in size in Europe to Russia's army.

The Soviet–Afghan War was a conflict wherein insurgent groups known collectively as the Mujahideen fought a nine-year guerrilla war against the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan (DRA) and the Soviet Army. Eventually the Soviet army had to withdraw in defeat.

The war was costly in bodies and cash, largely bankrupting the Soviet Union. Western sanctions contributed to the bankruptcy. Two years later the Soviet Union collapsed.

The collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 was one of the biggest historic events of Twentieth Century. The occupation of Afghanistan caused irreversible internal conflicts between the Soviet republics and the Soviet government.

“First and foremost it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.”

Will Putin cause Russia to make the same mistake again?

Despite the words of our President, there are serious doubts.
Since Ukraine has little or no air force, the Russians will be able to run over the Ukrainian army in no time. The Russian's have far superior arms and I think it will be awful
 
Who else thinks Putin is leading Russia into the great abyss? He thinks the US is weak under Biden and he has a special relationship with Chairman Xi of China. But is he being well advised by his staff?
 
What about the 10-20,000 blue eyed and fair haired women from Ukraine who were shipped down to the German base in Antarctica during WW2 ?
Another unusual fact .

Incidentally OP , who exactly has already invaded Ukraine?
Sleepy, family and their crime syndicate make millions out of Kiev and the US ships them billions in arms and has special forces training the neo nazi resistance troops .
Has Sleepy and his family convoy got serious plans to roll in to Russia for some more piracy ?
 
Who else thinks Putin is leading Russia into the great abyss? He thinks the US is weak under Biden and he has a special relationship with Chairman Xi of China. But is he being well advised by his staff?
The agreement that the world is asking Russia to adhere to is the agreement they themselves signed, The Budapest Memorandum signed when Ukraine agreed to give up its nukes:


1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

3. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.

4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.


The thief of Europe, Russia led by Monster Putin has broken all three of the first of its commitments to the Budapest Memorandum. Russia's signature does not appear worth the paper it is written on and I suspect Putin's advisors have little to do with it. IMO, this is all Putin. He has already all but subjugated Belarus. However, I do agree that in his mad wild insistence in reconstituting parts of the old Soviet Union he does risk the same sort of mess that ultimately caved the Soviet Union. The 1968 Soviet incursion into Czechoslovakia ultimately resulted in the eventual end of the Soviet Union after it got driven out of Afghanistan. Ukraine adventures could easily be the end of Putin.

As it is Putin is already making it impossible to come out of this mess with anything like a reputation as a trusted signatory and will be a world pariah no matter what Putin does from here. If Putin does make a dash for Kyiv though he might likely get there, there is no way he can then say the conflict in East Ukraine is his rational and he will begin a process that will bleed him dry. If he backs out completely though the world would breath a sigh of relief Putin still exposes himself as a monster and Russia as a pariah without having gained anything for the distinctions. That might actually hasten his demise domestically. That leaves him with bridging Dumbas and Crimea and thus denying Eastern Ukraine with sea access through the Sea of Azuv. That still would be outright invasion as opposed to backing separatists. Putin has IMO really stepped in it this time leaving himself with no good options. His impatience oddly lacking seems to be his undoing.
 
What about the 10-20,000 blue eyed and fair haired women from Ukraine who were shipped down to the German base in Antarctica during WW2 ?
Another unusual fact .

Incidentally OP , who exactly has already invaded Ukraine?
Sleepy, family and their crime syndicate make millions out of Kiev and the US ships them billions in arms and has special forces training the neo nazi resistance troops .
Has Sleepy and his family convoy got serious plans to roll in to Russia for some more piracy ?
Russia has
 
Second to last step in the Russia pretext for invasion campaign this morning with Russian Separatists in Donbas formally requesting that Russian Troopers cross the border. Last step will be Russian Troopers crossing.

Monster Putin moving closer to taking more territory in Ukraine.
 
Second to last step in the Russia pretext for invasion campaign this morning with Russian Separatists in Donbas formally requesting that Russian Troopers cross the border. Last step will be Russian Troopers crossing.

Monster Putin moving closer to taking more territory in Ukraine.
This phony alleged war between Russia and Ukraine is getting ludicrous.

It must be embarrassing for the White House to keep saying day after day for weeks on end that Russia is likely to invade Ukraine any day now. Two weeks ago war was imminent, but they gave up using the term.

It must be embarrassing for the media to keep telling Americans half truths or no truths at all. For example you won't hear it from the media that Ukrainian forces outnumber the Russian strike force.

Then we have Putin continuing to make a fool of himself as he tries to legitimize war with the Russian people and not informing them of the dire circumstances. Body bags will begin to pile up as the Russian economy goes in the toilet caused by Western sanctions.

A few days after President Biden told the world that Putin decided to invade Ukraine, Putin agreed to a summit with Biden. "President Joe Biden has agreed “in principle” to French-brokered summit talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin as long as Russia does not further invade Ukraine, the White House said late Sunday," CNN.

That summit may not happen because Putin made a fool of himself.

Putin decided to invade Ukraine.

The Times reports, "The Kremlin has ordered Russia’s defense ministry to deploy troops in two Russia-backed separatist territories."

Putin told his nation that he had decided to recognize Russia-backed separatists in the so-called Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics. That is the Russian backed separatist region in eastern Ukraine. He told the Russian people he is sending "peacekeeping" army troops to keep the peace.

Actually, Russia invaded Ukraine eight years ago.

From the beginning of March 2014, in the aftermath of the 2014 Ukrainian revolution and the Euromaidan movement, protests by Russia-backed anti-government separatist groups took place in the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts of Ukraine, collectively called the Donbas region. As the conflict escalated in May 2014, Russia deployed irregular fighters, regular Russian troops, and conventional military support to destabilise the Donbas region. Wikipedia

Putin is doing nothing different. His B.S. may fool the Russian people, but it won't fool the West and certainly not the U.N. Security Council.

The media is not telling the whole story, and it fails to tell the American people that Russian troops have been in the Donbas region for eight years. We are being led to believe this is new. That this is an invasion.

It's not.
 
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