gabo said:To you it may seem like fact, but I am still waiting for some more proof.
fantasea said:When I read the Merrian-Webster's definition of [theory], I don't mind having the theory of evolution taught alongside the theory of creationism, or higher intelligence -- or vice versa. Teaching them in the same class or in different classes is of no consequence. If someone comes up with another theory on the subject, add that one to the mix, as well.
You fail to note the differences between 'theory' and 'law'.argexpat[QUOTE said:]scientific theory or law;
I made no such claim. I said that both theories should be taught and they could be taught comparatively in the same class or separately in different classes.Let me restate my original position again, because it seems to have been lost: "Creationism" is Biblical mythology, not science, therefore it belongs in a mythology or comparative religion class, not in a science class, just like you don't teach the periodic table of elements in English lit, or the quadratic equation in P.E. Anyone who claims "creationism" belongs in a science class is either ignorant of science, or is attempting to force their religious beliefs onto others.
You have no basis for making such a statement.If you don't believe in evolution, you just don't believe in science.
Perhaps those in favor of vouchers are on the right track.Gabo said:Every single post on this thread is more reason for schools to be privatized.
People will ALWAYS disagree on issues, especially something as important as what they teach their children. There's no reason for the government to interfere and force one of the sides to be stuck with something they don't want.
ACTUALLY privatizing them!!!Fantasea said:What could be simpler.
Fantasea said:I made no such claim. I said that both theories should be taught and they could be taught comparatively in the same class or separately in different classes.
fantasea said:You have no basis for making such a statement.
fantasea said:Do you not agree that along with theoretical science, there is also applied science? In the practical sense, the one precedes the other. However, the vast majority of what happens in the former never makes it to the latter. Isn't that correct?
Gabo said:ACTUALLY privatizing them!!!
Why do people want government control on education when it does such a poor job! PRIVATIZE schools! Sure, vouchers are on the right track, but that's not even close to how much improvement our schooling system could see if they were really privatized.
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It's a theory I have to explain the phenomenon of educated, otherwise rational adults insisting that religious superstitions be taught in a science class.
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Your wish is my command! *poof*argexpat said:Gabo, this would make a great separate post, but it's really a digression here, although a great one. I'd love to debate libertarian ideology with you, so you should start another thread.
Call it what you will.heyjoeo said:Argx is right however. It is mythology. You can't deny that.
Fantasea said:Your single-mindness, double vision, and stuttering seem to be worsening. Perhaps you might consider getting some help before it's too late.
Fantasea said:Call it what you will. Shakespeare said it best. "What's in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name, would smell as sweet."
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argexpat said:You like dictionary definitions, so here's one for you:
myth:
5. A fictitious story, person, or thing: “German artillery superiority on the Western Front was a myth."
Evidently the etymologist who researched the word never heard of 'Big Bertha'. That was the name given to the extremely large caliber railroad car mounted gun that lobbed German shells into Paris from seventy-six miles away.
Fantasea, in your desperate attempt to win this argument, are you really asserting that a myth is the same as a scientific theory? Seriously? What century are you living in? This is the kind of numbskull anti-intellectualism that has held back scientific progress for centuries.
If you can label evolution as a theory, why can't I label creationism or higher intelligence as a theory?
If you want agreement, I will oblige. Yes, your humor stinks.That which we call BS, by any other name, would still smell as bad.
Fantasea said:One cannot rebut a tantrum.
To avoid retyping, here is a cut&paste from one of my earlier posts.argexpat said:OK, rebut this: "Creationism" in not a scientific theory. It is Biblical mythology. Therefore, it has no place in a science class.
Fantasea said:If you can label evolution as a theory, why can't I label creationism or higher intelligence as a theory?
May I direct your attention to post #45 which contains a cut&paste from an earlier post in this thread.argexpat said:You can label whatever you want a theory, Fantasea. What you can't do is force your religious beliefs onto others, which is what you and your creationist cabal do when you insist that Biblical fairy tales be taught in a science class.
Fantasea said:To avoid retyping, here is a cut&paste from one of my earlier posts.
I don't mind having the theory of evolution taught alongside the theory of creationism, or higher intelligence -- or vice versa. Teaching them in the same class or in different classes is of no consequence. If someone comes up with another theory on the subject, add that one to the mix, as well.
So so true. People will never all agree, that's just how it is. Let people decide what they want for themselves, and leave government out of it.Jufarius87 said:ya know if public school was abolished we wouldnt be having this problem because sensitive parents on both ends of the spiritual spectrum can simply pick a school that follows their beleifs