Insights Into Western Propaganda Vis A Vis Ukraine Part 1

[oneworld2]

The headline

Putin warned his military 'f*** up' in Ukraine will leave Russia defenceless against UK​

, a chemical weapons expert, told Express.co.uk that Putin is "vulnerable", as his entire attention is focused on the invasion of Ukraine. The former army officer, who is currently training Ukrainians on how to survive chemical weapons, claimed Putin's forces so far appear to be "bogged down" and is urging the UK Government and NATO allies to put more pressure on the Russian leader.

Putin warned military 'f*** up' will leave Russia defenceless

VLADIMIR PUTIN has been warned that a military "f*** up" in Ukraine will leave Russia defenceless against the UK.

www.express.co.uk

No citation is given for the headline. So it might be true it might not. But that's your first clue

Then we are treated to the hysterical notion that Russia, with its 6000 nukes is somehow , if things go wrong in Ukraine, " defenceless against the UK"........... No comment necessary

Then we learn that the " chemical weapons expert", Hamish De Bretton-Gordon, is an " ex army officer". Which is true but what they never told anyone was that he additionally commanded NATO's Rapid Reaction CBRN Battalion between 2005 and 2007.

So in short, he is a rabid hawk that was embedded into the NATO command structure that is calling for the an outside Ukrainian air space NATO enforced no fly zone where we could " engage Russian jets from well outside the Ukraine airspace. "

Like as though the Russians would just say " Hey, they fired from Polish airspace so we won't respond to the 10 Russian jets they just shot down"

This is the insane and jingoist tripe that is making up the MSM commentary.

Be mindful of this push for a NATO enforced no fly zone because that's what these crazies are pushing for and that's when a localozed disaster could easily engulf the entire region, and inded the world, into a catastrophic apocalyptic war. What seemed fringe and crazy last week might be considered with more justo next week

 

[Mach]

The headline

Putin warned his military 'f*** up' in Ukraine will leave Russia defenceless against UK​

Putin warned military 'f*** up' will leave Russia defenceless

VLADIMIR PUTIN has been warned that a military "f*** up" in Ukraine will leave Russia defenceless against the UK.

www.express.co.uk

No citation is given for the headline. So it might be true it might not. But that's your first clue
Then we are treated to the hysterical notion that Russia, with its 6000 nukes is somehow , if things go wrong in Ukraine, " defenceless against the UK"........... No comment necessary
Then we learn that the " chemical weapons expert", Hamish De Bretton-Gordon, is an " ex army officer". Which is true but what they never told anyone was that he additionally commanded NATO's Rapid Reaction CBRN Battalion between 2005 and 2007.
So in short, he is a rabid hawk that was embedded into the NATO command structure that is calling for the an outside Ukrainian air space NATO enforced no fly zone where we could " engage Russian jets from well outside the Ukraine airspace. "
Like as though the Russians would just say " Hey, they fired from Polish airspace so we won't respond to the 10 Russian jets they just shot down"
This is the insane and jingoist tripe that is making up the MSM commentary.
Be mindful of this push for a NATO enforced no fly zone because that's what these crazies are pushing for and that's when a localozed disaster could easily engulf the entire region, and inded the world, into a catastrophic apocalyptic war. What seemed fringe and crazy last week might be considered with more justo next week

Putin unjustly invades Ukraine and starts killing its soldiers, its citizens including women and children, and appears to intentionally target civilian structures (hospital, theater, apartments).

Instead of attacking Putin/Russia, the aggressors here, oneworld2 attacks NATO, MSM, and reminds us that nuclear war is completely normal to be "on the table" for Russia (mutually assured destruction of Russia and most of the western world order). He claims some in NATO are jingoists. but not the obvious actions of Putin in literally declaring war on a sovereign country....and apparently willing to use nukes over a no-fly zone!! Outrageous!

Is nuclear war REALLY the response to a no-fly zone? That's the only legit question being asked here... And the answer is no, I don't think Putin would, but conventional wisdom is that since it's not NATO being attacked, its not worth it for a variety of reasons that have to do with escalation of relations with Russia.

Your post is 90% pro-Putin propaganda.

 

[Napoleon]

He claims some in NATO are jingoists. but not the obvious actions of Putin in literally declaring war on a sovereign country...

There’s no “claim” about it. The West has been declaring war on sovereign countries virtually nonstop for millennia. All of the pearl clutching about that is disingenuous at best. As for nukes..everyone who has them is willing to use them. Under what circumstances is not public knowledge for obvious reasons.

 

[Mach]

There’s no “claim” about it. The West has been declaring war on sovereign countries virtually nonstop for millennia. All of the pearl clutching about that is disingenuous at best. As for nukes..everyone who has them is willing to use them. Under what circumstances is not public knowledge for obvious reasons.

And your posts are noted for being Putin-loving propaganda too, no surprise here.

Sad that you think remarking on the plight of Ukranians under full scale invasion from Russia is "pearl clutching". Pretty twisted.

 

[Napoleon]

And your posts are noted for being Putin-loving propaganda too, no surprise here.

Sad that you think remarking on the plight of Ukranians under full scale invasion from Russia is "pearl clutching". Pretty twisted.

The West has spent the last 20 years invading sovereign countries and playing musical regimes in the Middle East and North Africa. So yes, it is laughably hypocritical for it to express outrage that a sovereign country has been invaded.

 

[Mach]

The West has spent the last 20 years invading sovereign countries and playing musical regimes in the Middle East and North Africa. So yes, it is laughably hypocritical for it to express outrage that a sovereign country has been invaded.

Hypocritical of me how? You act like I speak for all of the west. That's absurd.

 

[Napoleon]

Hypocritical of me how? You act like I speak for all of the west. That's absurd.

That goes for you too.

 

[Tigerace117]

Putin unjustly invades Ukraine and starts killing its soldiers, its citizens including women and children, and appears to intentionally target civilian structures (hospital, theater, apartments).

Instead of attacking Putin/Russia, the aggressors here, oneworld2 attacks NATO, MSM, and reminds us that nuclear war is completely normal to be "on the table" for Russia (mutually assured destruction of Russia and most of the western world order). He claims some in NATO are jingoists. but not the obvious actions of Putin in literally declaring war on a sovereign country....and apparently willing to use nukes over a no-fly zone!! Outrageous!

Is nuclear war REALLY the response to a no-fly zone? That's the only legit question being asked here... And the answer is no, I don't think Putin would, but conventional wisdom is that since it's not NATO being attacked, its not worth it for a variety of reasons that have to do with escalation of relations with Russia.

Your post is 90% pro-Putin propaganda.

The idea that Russia would just sit back and let NATO aircraft engage its air force without retaliation is laughable.

Think about it this way. If Russia had declared it was imposing a no fly zone specifically to keep American aircraft on the ground over Iraq after the Haditha massacre, and then started shooting them down from bases in, say, Iran......do you really think America would let that slide?

 

[Mach]

The idea that Russia would just sit back and let NATO aircraft engage its air force without retaliation is laughable.

Nuclear retaliation? That triggers a nuclear response from the U.S.? He'd have to be insane, or stupid. Conventional retaliation is entirely expected and given what we've seen of Russia's military, we'd roll them.

 

[Tigerace117]

Nuclear retaliation? That triggers a nuclear response from the U.S.? He'd have to be insane, or stupid. Conventional retaliation is entirely expected and given what we've seen of Russia's military, we'd steam roll that shit.

That’s the risk you run when you start attacking the aircraft of a nuclear power or conducting strikes on a nuclear power’s sovereign territory.

Funnily, that’s what we thought before Kasserine Pass.....before Corregidor....before Ia Drang.....before every military campaign the US has carried out every, really. Anyone who goes in assuming they are going to “steamroll” the enemy has a better than average chance of getting their ass handed to them, especially given the strength of Russian SAM systems.

 

[Binary_Digit]

Nuclear retaliation? That triggers a nuclear response from the U.S.? He'd have to be insane, or stupid. Conventional retaliation is entirely expected and given what we've seen of Russia's military, we'd roll them.

That’s the risk you run when you start attacking the aircraft of a nuclear power or conducting strikes on a nuclear power’s sovereign territory.

Funnily, that’s what we thought before Kasserine Pass.....before Corregidor....before Ia Drang.....before every military campaign the US has carried out every, really. Anyone who goes in assuming they are going to “steamroll” the enemy has a better than average chance of getting their ass handed to them, especially given the strength of Russian SAM systems.

I think Putin would only use them as a last resort, such as if Russia were being invaded and at risk of being overtaken. But in that case he probably wouldn't hesitate. I can't prove that of course, and I don't think anyone can, but it's what makes the most sense to me. He's not a madman, he's a sociopathic criminal who wants above all else to remain in power. Escalating to nukes over Ukraine isn't in his best interests, and that's something he can't overlook even in the midst of his own propaganda and yes men that led him into his current hornet's nest.

 

[Binary_Digit]

The headline

Putin warned his military 'f*** up' in Ukraine will leave Russia defenceless against UK​

Putin warned military 'f*** up' will leave Russia defenceless

VLADIMIR PUTIN has been warned that a military "f*** up" in Ukraine will leave Russia defenceless against the UK.

www.express.co.uk

No citation is given for the headline. So it might be true it might not. But that's your first clue

Then we are treated to the hysterical notion that Russia, with its 6000 nukes is somehow , if things go wrong in Ukraine, " defenceless against the UK"........... No comment necessary

Then we learn that the " chemical weapons expert", Hamish De Bretton-Gordon, is an " ex army officer". Which is true but what they never told anyone was that he additionally commanded NATO's Rapid Reaction CBRN Battalion between 2005 and 2007.

So in short, he is a rabid hawk that was embedded into the NATO command structure that is calling for the an outside Ukrainian air space NATO enforced no fly zone where we could " engage Russian jets from well outside the Ukraine airspace. "

Like as though the Russians would just say " Hey, they fired from Polish airspace so we won't respond to the 10 Russian jets they just shot down"

This is the insane and jingoist tripe that is making up the MSM commentary.

Be mindful of this push for a NATO enforced no fly zone because that's what these crazies are pushing for and that's when a localozed disaster could easily engulf the entire region, and inded the world, into a catastrophic apocalyptic war. What seemed fringe and crazy last week might be considered with more justo next week

Ukraine is still asking for a no-fly zone, but experts say it isn't an effective solution

www.msn.com

What a no-fly zone over Ukraine would actually mean

To ask a country to create a no-fly zone is to ask them to go to war. Here's a primer on their complex history—and perils.

www.popsci.com

Creating a no-fly zone or sending US troops to Ukraine would be disastrous

The horrors of the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the astounding heroism of the Ukrainian people have naturally created a groundswell of sympathy. Many call for escalation of Western assistance

azdailysun.com

WW3 fears as ex British Army chief warns it can't be ruled out after Ukraine invasion

WORLD War 3 can't be ruled out over Russia's invasion of Ukraine, a former British army chief has warned, who raised doubts over nuclear weapons not being used before the end of this century.

www.express.co.uk

More people are calling for a no-fly zone over Ukraine. They need to stop.

www.msn.com

Republicans’ Wildly Cynical and Slightly Ignorant Support for a No-Fly Zone

Sure, it could start World War III. But some GOP politicians are calling for a no-fly zone in Ukraine to try to hurt Biden politically.

newrepublic.com

Zelensky’s ‘Churchillian’ speech wows Congress – but most still think a no fly zone is a bridge too far

‘We need to get them planes ... I don’t give a s*** how we get them,’ says one Democrat

news.yahoo.com

 

[Napoleon]

I think Putin would only use them as a last resort, such as if Russia were being invaded and at risk of being overtaken. But in that case he probably wouldn't hesitate. I can't prove that of course, and I don't think anyone can, but it's what makes the most sense to me. He's not a madman, he's a sociopathic criminal who wants above all else to remain in power. Escalating to nukes over Ukraine isn't in his best interests, and that's something he can't overlook even in the midst of his own propaganda and yes men that led him into his current hornet's nest.

The problem with that is it wouldn’t be over Ukraine anymore if NATO intervenes. It would not be in his best interest to allow the Russian armed forces to be slapped around militarily by NATO. There would unquestionably be consequences for that which could very easily escalate into a nuclear exchange. If anything, he would be even more likely to use them if the conventional Russian military really is as ineffective as the propaganda says it is.

 

[Fledermaus]

The headline

Putin warned his military 'f*** up' in Ukraine will leave Russia defenceless against UK​

Putin warned military 'f*** up' will leave Russia defenceless

VLADIMIR PUTIN has been warned that a military "f*** up" in Ukraine will leave Russia defenceless against the UK.

www.express.co.uk

No citation is given for the headline. So it might be true it might not. But that's your first clue

Then we are treated to the hysterical notion that Russia, with its 6000 nukes is somehow , if things go wrong in Ukraine, " defenceless against the UK"........... No comment necessary

Then we learn that the " chemical weapons expert", Hamish De Bretton-Gordon, is an " ex army officer". Which is true but what they never told anyone was that he additionally commanded NATO's Rapid Reaction CBRN Battalion between 2005 and 2007.

So in short, he is a rabid hawk that was embedded into the NATO command structure that is calling for the an outside Ukrainian air space NATO enforced no fly zone where we could " engage Russian jets from well outside the Ukraine airspace. "

Like as though the Russians would just say " Hey, they fired from Polish airspace so we won't respond to the 10 Russian jets they just shot down"

This is the insane and jingoist tripe that is making up the MSM commentary.

Be mindful of this push for a NATO enforced no fly zone because that's what these crazies are pushing for and that's when a localozed disaster could easily engulf the entire region, and inded the world, into a catastrophic apocalyptic war. What seemed fringe and crazy last week might be considered with more justo next week

More hate the west tripe.

Par for the course.

 

[oneworld2]

Putin unjustly invades Ukraine and starts killing its soldiers, its citizens including women and children, and appears to intentionally target civilian structures (hospital, theater, apartments).

Instead of attacking Putin/Russia, the aggressors here, oneworld2 attacks NATO, MSM, and reminds us that nuclear war is completely normal to be "on the table" for Russia (mutually assured destruction of Russia and most of the western world order). He claims some in NATO are jingoists. but not the obvious actions of Putin in literally declaring war on a sovereign country....and apparently willing to use nukes over a no-fly zone!! Outrageous!

Is nuclear war REALLY the response to a no-fly zone? That's the only legit question being asked here... And the answer is no, I don't think Putin would, but conventional wisdom is that since it's not NATO being attacked, its not worth it for a variety of reasons that have to do with escalation of relations with Russia.

Your post is 90% pro-Putin propaganda.

What would make up your posts if they were stripped of their strawmen, misrepresentations and outrigth false accusations? Nothing except for the joining words that punctuate them

Interesting also that you address your audience at the expense of the post lol

Come back when you can control yourself and actually discuss what people said and not what you misrepresent them as saying

 

[Fledermaus]

What would make up your posts if they were stripped of their strawmen, misrepresentations and outrigth false accusations? Nothing except for the joining words that punctuate them

Interesting also that you address your audience at the expense of the post lol

Come back when you can control yourself and actually discuss what people said and not what you misrepresent them as saying

One could ask what your average post would be like stripped of their strawmen, misrepresentations and outright false accusations.

But I think we both know how that would work out .

 

[oneworld2]

There’s no “claim” about it. The West has been declaring war on sovereign countries virtually nonstop for millennia. All of the pearl clutching about that is disingenuous at best. As for nukes..everyone who has them is willing to use them. Under what circumstances is not public knowledge for obvious reasons.

There was no commentary in my post that said anything about the use of " nukes being on the table" nor that they are a reasonable response to a no fly zone. I'm sure you noticed it too but these people are just condemned to squeel any tripe rather than discuss things properly

Good luck trying to reason out that which was never reasoned in

 

[oneworld2]

And your posts are noted for being Putin-loving propaganda too, no surprise here.

Sad that you think remarking on the plight of Ukranians under full scale invasion from Russia is "pearl clutching". Pretty twisted.

Your posts are by far the worst type but because the insanity is raging through the forum your commentary, useless as it is to actual discussion, is earning you kudos from others with narrow minds and even narrower perspectives

 

[oneworld2]

Nuclear retaliation? That triggers a nuclear response from the U.S.? He'd have to be insane, or stupid. Conventional retaliation is entirely expected and given what we've seen of Russia's military, we'd roll them.

The "nuclear retaliation" is your strawman.

You used it in the first response you made here and continue to be disingenuous throughout the discussion. Obviously your arguments are complete tosh so you are compelled to concoct dance around posts that don't offer anything of value

 

[Irredentist]

The West has spent the last 20 years invading sovereign countries and playing musical regimes in the Middle East and North Africa. So yes, it is laughably hypocritical for it to express outrage that a sovereign country has been invaded.

If it was wrong of NATO to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, which it was, then it is also wrong for Russia to invade the Ukraine. Crimes committed by your enemies don't justify crimes committed by you.

 

[oneworld2]

Ukraine is still asking for a no-fly zone, but experts say it isn't an effective solution

www.msn.com

What a no-fly zone over Ukraine would actually mean

To ask a country to create a no-fly zone is to ask them to go to war. Here's a primer on their complex history—and perils.

www.popsci.com

Creating a no-fly zone or sending US troops to Ukraine would be disastrous

The horrors of the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the astounding heroism of the Ukrainian people have naturally created a groundswell of sympathy. Many call for escalation of Western assistance

azdailysun.com

WW3 fears as ex British Army chief warns it can't be ruled out after Ukraine invasion

WORLD War 3 can't be ruled out over Russia's invasion of Ukraine, a former British army chief has warned, who raised doubts over nuclear weapons not being used before the end of this century.

www.express.co.uk

More people are calling for a no-fly zone over Ukraine. They need to stop.

www.msn.com

Republicans’ Wildly Cynical and Slightly Ignorant Support for a No-Fly Zone

Sure, it could start World War III. But some GOP politicians are calling for a no-fly zone in Ukraine to try to hurt Biden politically.

newrepublic.com

Zelensky’s ‘Churchillian’ speech wows Congress – but most still think a no fly zone is a bridge too far

‘We need to get them planes ... I don’t give a s*** how we get them,’ says one Democrat

news.yahoo.com

The need to stay vigilant against these wreckless hawks remains no matter how many times we see common sense prevailing in the above

 

[oneworld2]

If it was wrong of NATO to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, which it was, then it is also wrong for Russia to invade the Ukraine. Crimes committed by your enemies don't justify crimes committed by you.

Nobody is saying they do. What they are saying imo is that the moral high ground people are told exists in the West is at best a weak claim and at worst hopelessly obvious propaganda that is regurgited by people without the independence of mind not inclination to actual look into it

 

[Irredentist]

The headline

Putin warned his military 'f*** up' in Ukraine will leave Russia defenceless against UK​

Putin warned military 'f*** up' will leave Russia defenceless

VLADIMIR PUTIN has been warned that a military "f*** up" in Ukraine will leave Russia defenceless against the UK.

www.express.co.uk

No citation is given for the headline. So it might be true it might not. But that's your first clue

Then we are treated to the hysterical notion that Russia, with its 6000 nukes is somehow , if things go wrong in Ukraine, " defenceless against the UK"........... No comment necessary

Then we learn that the " chemical weapons expert", Hamish De Bretton-Gordon, is an " ex army officer". Which is true but what they never told anyone was that he additionally commanded NATO's Rapid Reaction CBRN Battalion between 2005 and 2007.

So in short, he is a rabid hawk that was embedded into the NATO command structure that is calling for the an outside Ukrainian air space NATO enforced no fly zone where we could " engage Russian jets from well outside the Ukraine airspace. "

Like as though the Russians would just say " Hey, they fired from Polish airspace so we won't respond to the 10 Russian jets they just shot down"

This is the insane and jingoist tripe that is making up the MSM commentary.

Be mindful of this push for a NATO enforced no fly zone because that's what these crazies are pushing for and that's when a localozed disaster could easily engulf the entire region, and inded the world, into a catastrophic apocalyptic war. What seemed fringe and crazy last week might be considered with more justo next week

While a direct military confrontation with Russia is likely not the best course of action at the present time, I'm inclined to be more forgiving of those who push for it. It's very difficult to sit back and do nothing while we watch millions of people suffer just outside of arms reach.

 

[Napoleon]

If it was wrong of NATO to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, which it was, then it is also wrong for Russia to invade the Ukraine. Crimes committed by your enemies don't justify crimes committed by you.

The difference is that I’m not clutching my pearls at Russia’s invasion of Ukraine as though my own country hasn’t been doing this for most of my life.

 

[Irredentist]

Nobody is saying they do. What they are saying imo is that the moral high ground people are told exists in the West is at best a weak claim and at worst hopelessly obvious propaganda that is regurgited by people without the independence of mind not inclination to actual look into it

You don't need a moral high ground to see that the invasion of the Ukraine is wrong and should be stopped. All you need is a functioning heart.