Indy Homicide Rate Surpasses Chicago

[TurtleDude]

They probably don’t. And their state would like to keep it that way. That’s another problem.

you want people who cause homicides voting?

 

[uptower]

you want people who cause homicides voting?

I would argue if they were less disadvantaged or disenfranchised they'd be more responsible citizens and less prone to crime.

 

[TurtleDude]

I would argue if they were less disadvantaged or disenfranchised they'd be more responsible citizens and less prone to crime.

that seems a bit utopianesque to me. It also seems to be putting the cart in front of the horse

 

[ALiberalModerate]

The mayor is a democrat.

Which is the case in the vast, vast majority of major cities, so what is your point.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

So much for blaming the Dems. Indy is pretty Red as is the state.

Indianapolis’ murder numbers higher than Chicago

For the first time in history, Indianapolis appears to have surpassed Chicago as the most violent city in the Midwest.

news.yahoo.com

Gun violence. In murders. You don't say?

Chicago's homicide rate, while high, has always been surpassed by several other major cities.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

There's a great many American cities with murder rates in excess of Chicago's, with most being in Red states. But Chicago's absolute numbers are indeed high, because it's so large.

My first Google hit shows Chicago as 28th nationwide, of cities over 100K:

Murder map: Deadliest U.S. cities

You might be surprised by the murder rates in major cities across the U.S.

www.cbsnews.com

But I will admit, Chicago has always had a gangster ethos & gun culture. It's right here, in the opening lines of PBBB's classic lyrics:



How many of these guys in the video's album pic, do you think were packing heat when playing after-hours SouthSide Blues joints until dawn? Definitely Butter's & Gravenites, who were both known to carry. And quite possibly Arnold & Lay, as Little Walter always carried as was typical for the pre-PBBBB bluesmen. Maybe Elvin Bishop, being a Texan - though that's simply conjecture on my part. I suspect not with Mike Bloomfield though, being a Jewish North Shore kid!

Yeah, the old days . . .

Yeah, anyone that has visited Chicago knows that much of the city is very safe.

 

[trouble13]

Which is the case in the vast, vast majority of major cities, so what is your point.

My point is that the op claimed it was Republican leadership to blame for the high homicide rate when it's Democrat mayor in charge of that city.

 

[Court Jester]

Indianapolis is city in a Red state with a Red government. That matters more than who the mayor is.

Take a closer look at Indianapolis as compared to all of the surrounding areas in Indiana (well other that Gary Indiana) or other larger midwestern cities, and you will QUICKLY learn the much high concentration of one particular demographic as compared to other midwesten cities.


Indianapolis demographics from wikipedia:

According to the U.S. Census of 2010, 97.2% of the Indianapolis population was reported as one race: 61.8% White, 27.5% Black or African American, 2.1% Asian (0.4% Burmese, 0.4% Indian, 0.3% Chinese, 0.3% Filipino, 0.1% Korean, 0.1% Vietnamese, 0.1% Japanese, 0.1% Thai, 0.1% other Asian); 0.3% American Indian, and 5.5% as other. The remaining 2.8% of the population was reported as multiracial (two or more races).

 

[Court Jester]

I wonder how the people, and the families of the people, causing most of the homicides, vote. Anyone want to hazard a guess?

Yep. Indianapolis is also where Ball State University is, and that alone draws a crapload of CRAP, same as most colleges do. Libtard teachers, libtard administrators, and mostly libtard indoctrinated students.

Indianapolis is Indiana's version of Berkeley, CA.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

My point is that the op claimed it was Republican leadership to blame for the high homicide rate when it's Democrat mayor in charge of that city.

Who controls the police department? In some states it’s not the city.

 

[Roadvirus]

CHICAGO (AP) — Chicago reached a grim milestone in August as 78 homicides pushed the number for the year well past the 500 mark — a total that included the first police officer in the city to be killed in the line of duty in nearly three years.

The police department announced Wednesday that there were 14 more homicides in August than there were in August 2020, bringing the total for 2021 to 524. That was enough to put the city, which before the month began was on a pace to end 2021 with fewer homicides than 2020, instead on a pace to eclipse last year’s total of 769.

Bloodshed continues in Chicago with 78 homicides in August

It marked the continuation of a particularly bloody summer.

wgntv.com

 

[Common Sense 1]

CHICAGO (AP) — Chicago reached a grim milestone in August as 78 homicides pushed the number for the year well past the 500 mark — a total that included the first police officer in the city to be killed in the line of duty in nearly three years.

The police department announced Wednesday that there were 14 more homicides in August than there were in August 2020, bringing the total for 2021 to 524. That was enough to put the city, which before the month began was on a pace to end 2021 with fewer homicides than 2020, instead on a pace to eclipse last year’s total of 769.

Bloodshed continues in Chicago with 78 homicides in August

It marked the continuation of a particularly bloody summer.

wgntv.com

Biden was in Chicago the first week in July and told Mayor Lightfoot the feds would help with the violence?
Did not work out very well. It's like a shooting gallery on the weekends. Some many innocent lives being taken and
there is no end in sight.

 

[Chomsky]

Yeah, anyone that has visited Chicago knows that much of the city is very safe.

Exactly. With a pretty good quality of life, high taxes be damned. Reasonably cosmopolitan, with a competitive cost-of-living for what you get - compared to the coasts.

But there are indeed some funky neighborhoods, and those that are can be pretty damn tough.

 

[jaypatriot]

I guess you could have made that statement without the obvious race baiting image. But, baiting on race was the point, wasn't it?

A photograph, as you know, can simply be a photograph. Not incriminating evidence.
You might be getting ready for the next George Floyd protest march.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Exactly. With a pretty good quality of life, high taxes be damned. Reasonably cosmopolitan, with a competitive cost-of-living for what you get - compared to the coasts.

But there are indeed some funky neighborhoods, and those that are can be pretty damn tough.

One could argue that Chicago may well be the greatest city on earth and it's in the top 5 anyway you slice it.

 

[Chomsky]

One could argue that Chicago may well be the greatest city on earth and it's in the top 5 anyway you slice it.

I've seen it anywhere from 4th through low 20's in global rankings, depending on the ranking organization & criteria. Generally I see it in the upper single digits to low/mid-teens.

But yeah, it's definitely among the very top in the States. It's got some really good universities, and essentially every possible career path possible - practiced at state-of-the-art levels. Whatever the city is not 'first' in, it's always in the 'top 2 or 3'.

Take the above, with a cost-of-living & housing (especially housing!) substantially cheaper than the coasts, and it makes for a good value in quality of life. And while there's no oceanic seaboard, there is the Great Lakes - which are not 'lakes' - but actually 'inland seas'.

If you start in Chicago, there's nowhere you can't go to become the very top at your profession or art in global terms. And by 'top', I mean 'best in the world'. All the resources are there, and at a reasonable cost in relative comparison to other places of opportunity..

Of course, one has to like cold & snow for part of the year . . .

 

[ttwtt78640]

Indiana didn't.

OK, then why not include statewide homicide data?

 

[ataraxia]

I don't care how strict a city's gun laws are - the lax laws in other states contribute to crime.

Example: Almost 74% of guns used in New York crimes come from states with weaker gun laws
Why can places with strict gun laws have a lot of gun crime? Because guns can travel.

A new report from the New York State Office of the Attorney General offers an answer: The firearms used in that violence tend to come from other places that don’t have strict gun laws.

The report, released this week, looked at the guns recovered from crime scenes in the state. It found that 74 percent of guns used in crimes between 2010 and 2015 came from states with lax gun laws.

The findings suggest that New York’s gun control laws are working, at least to some degree. But since other states tend to have less strict gun laws, would-be criminals can simply obtain guns from places outside New York.

Even before the attorney general’s report, this phenomenon was widely known as a big problem in New York, frequently called “the Iron Pipeline.” But it exposes the limits of local and state policy: A state can set restrictions on firearms all it wants, but it’s not going to be effective at stamping out gun crime until other states — or the federal government — follow.

Almost all guns used in crime start out as legal. Then they’re diverted.​

Nearly all guns used in crimes begin as legal firearms.

But as the New York attorney general’s report notes, these guns can then be diverted in various ways. Federally licensed dealers and their employees may illegally sell guns off the books — without completing the necessary background check and paperwork. Thieves may steal guns after they’re obtained legally. Straw purchasers may buy a gun, complete the required paperwork and background check, and then give or sell the gun to someone else without completing any paperwork or a background check.

Almost 74% of guns used in New York crimes come from states with weaker gun laws

Why can places with strict gun laws have a lot of gun crime? Because guns can travel.

www.vox.com

Yes. One reason Honolulu does well is because they have tough gun laws, AND it's hard to bring in the guns from states with lax laws.

 

[AliHajiSheik]

Indiana has some really lax gun laws and they are also responsible for many gun crimes in Illinois:​

Colwell: When it comes to guns, Indiana is a bad, deadly neighbor​

Indiana is not a good neighbor. It’s a deadly neighbor, exporting guns to gangs in Chicago, where every weekend and on many weekdays, too, a blizzard of bullets threatens and often kills little kids as well as intended gang targets.

Most Hoosiers aren’t complicit, of course, but there is blood on the hands of those, including a lot of state legislators, who proudly point to the state’s lax gun laws that make buying a gun so easy, so fast, sometimes with no questions asked.

“Straw purchasers,” as they are called, obtain in Indiana many of the weapons used in violence in Chicago, where stiffer regulations make it more difficult to buy guns.

Colwell: When it comes to guns, Indiana is a bad, deadly neighbor

"Straw purchases" affect not just neighboring states but also Indiana communities, where gun violence continues to rise, especially in Indianapolis.

www.southbendtribune.com

"Convictions are coming. Sentences could be harsh if a sentence by a federal judge last month is an indication. A man who agreed to buy a gun for someone who was under age was sentenced to eight months in federal prison, even though the seller in this case made no money off the transaction."

Am I correct in reading that people who do conduct straw purchases are breaking federal law?

 

[jaypatriot]

Biden was in Chicago the first week in July and told Mayor Lightfoot the feds would help with the violence?
Did not work out very well. It's like a shooting gallery on the weekends. Some many innocent lives being taken and
there is no end in sight.

Lori Lightfoot, the hapless mayor of Chicago, is simply one more Democrat/Progressive/Apologist/Liberal politician who is clueless as to how to stop the reign of terror in South Chicago streets.
The real tragedy is that in order to curb the murderous violence, dedicated (and well armored) police officers would have to go into that area and start arresting the thugs who possess guns; try them in court; and convict them of illegal possession or attempts to commit murder.
Needless to say, that would result in more bloodshed in the city before the murder rate went down.
Lightfoot would never ever allow that to happen in her city.
Or as an alternative, the state could look for Charles Bronson lookalikes who have a 'Death Wish' to go in and start taking out thugs with guns. Something like "Robocop" in the 80s. However, CNN and MSNBC would go crazy over that idea.