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Individuals & groups uniting to protect their communities & families from ICE

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"Elizabeth Castillo wasn’t an activist until Immigration and Customs Enforcement started taking away her neighbors. It all began in June, after Donald Trump directed Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents to sweep Los Angeles, then used scattered violence at protests of ICE’s tactics as a pretext to send in the military. Castillo felt her working-class neighborhood in Pasadena, just outside Los Angeles, was under siege. Six people, she said, were seized at a Winchell’s doughnut shop. Two people were taken when ICE raided her apartment complex. “It was just chaos,” she said. “And you can see, you can hear, you could feel the fear, the intimidation. You could feel the terror.”

...At first, Castillo was on her own with a megaphone. When she saw ICE vehicles in the streets she followed them in her car, honking and shouting to warn people that they were coming. She started getting up before dawn to patrol her apartment complex. Then she contacted the National Day Laborer Organizing Network, which runs a nearby job center. Through them, she was plugged into a citywide network of people who are constantly tracking ICE’s activities. Among those doing amateur anti-ICE reconnaissance in Los Angeles are people from established nonprofits that work closely with the mayor’s office. Then there are more militant groups that, beyond simply documenting ICE’s operations, try to actively disrupt them. “We have people patrolling all over the city starting at 5:30 in the morning,” said Ron Gochez, a high school teacher and spokesman for one of the more radical organizations, Unión del Barrio. When they find agents, he told me, “We get on the megaphone. We denounce the terrorists for being there, and then we inform the community in the immediate area that they are present. And then we say to the people, ‘If you are documented, come out. Come outside. Join us. Help us to defend your neighbor.’”

The movement against ICE in Los Angeles — one that is starting to take root, in different forms, in cities like New York — is part of a growing shift from symbolic protest to direct action. It may be no match for the Trumpian leviathan. But it can protect a few people who might otherwise get swept into the black hole of the administration’s deportation machine. And in the most optimistic scenario, it could be a foundation for a new, nationwide opposition movement. “We have been abandoned by the courts, by the business community,” and, with few exceptions, “by the political class in Washington, D.C.,” said Pablo Alvarado, co-founder of the National Day Laborer Organizing Network. “All we have are our friends, our allies and ourselves.” One of his group’s slogans is, “Solo el pueblo salva al pueblo.” It means, “Only the people can save the people.” ...Trump and those close to him, after all, are openly fantasizing about stripping Americans of citizenship or sending them to the same El Salvador gulag that held Hernández Romero. Americans are being forced to acclimate to the once-unthinkable sight of masked men, wearing civilian clothes and refusing to show identification, grabbing people off the streets and throwing them in the back of vehicles. There have been reports of ICE assaulting and detaining U.S. citizens. At a Home Depot in Hollywood last month, agents reportedly tackled an American photographer who was recording a raid; he was held for more than 24 hours. (He’s now seeking $1 million in damages.)

“They have made a calculation that they can get away with a bunch of things as long as it’s framed as immigration enforcement,” said Greenberg. “That will then allow them to ratchet up authoritarian conditions for the rest of us.”"

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As is so often the case, those fighting against the state's persecution of a group, they are fighting for all of us.
 
If one is here illegally, then they are not supposed to be here. It is literally the job of the federal government to enforce the law and remove these individuals. If one is here legally and is detained, then there is recourse within our system to remedy situation.
 
That would be incorrect. All persons in the US are entitled to due process.
 
If you're an illegal, get the hell out of here and come back under legitimate means.
 
That would be incorrect. All persons in the US are entitled to due process.
Access to due process becomes available at a legal entry point. Illegal entry is used to avoid due process.
 
Access to due process becomes available at a legal entry point. Illegal entry is used to avoid due process.
Most people in the USA illegally entered legally. 20,000 pedestrians a day, 70,000 vehicles a day, at just one point of entry. All legal.
 
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we're going to protect people illegally in the USA
 
Most people in the USA illegally entered legally. 20,000 pedestrians a day, 70,000 vehicles a day, at just one point of entry. All legal.
That's what all should do.
 
That's what all should do.
And then they stay.
Entering illegally is a crime. Overstaying your legality isn't. So they show up at the San Ysidro crossing and say they're going to visit friends or family or going to Disneyland or whatever then they just stay.
 
And then they stay.
Entering illegally is a crime. Overstaying your legality isn't. So they show up at the San Ysidro crossing and say they're going to visit friends or family or going to Disneyland or whatever then they just stay.
As I've said before:
Due process as the result Illegal entry into the U.S. should be deportation or self removal.
Those who enter legally and overstay, at a minimum should be fined.
All non-citizens who are in the U.S. should be required to maintain a valid visa AND periodic contact with immigration services so they can be located if ever a need arises.
 
That would be incorrect. All persons in the US are entitled to due process.
Once they are apprehended, they are given due process. This process was altered under Bill Clinton to be as expeditious as possible - within 24hrs and not more than 7 days.
 
Access to due process becomes available at a legal entry point. Illegal entry is used to avoid due process.
Nope.

You misunderstand what due process is. Are you claiming that an undocumented person in the US that commits a crime is deported without a trial for that crime? You'd be incorrect
 
Once they are apprehended, they are given due process. This process was altered under Bill Clinton to be as expeditious as possible - within 24hrs and not more than 7 days.
Nobody is given due process. Some people are denied due process.
 
Nobody is given due process. Some people are denied due process.
I'm not involved and guessing you're not involved in the deportation process but to state that with certainty nobody is given due process is foolish. The process for the last 30yrs can be done administratively - detained, processed, you don't have a right to be here and back home you go. If one appeals that decision then it would go to an immigration judge and be decided upon in less than a week.
 
Nope.

You misunderstand what due process is. Are you claiming that an undocumented person in the US that commits a crime is deported without a trial for that crime? You'd be incorrect
No, I'm just talking about illegal entry alone.
 
Why are you so emotional about it? These people cause you no harm.
Given the number of violent criminal illegal aliens in the country, as shown by their often long records of violence and criminality, I don't think such a blanket assertion stand up to reality.
 
Given the number of violent criminal illegal aliens in the country, as shown by their often long records of violence and criminality, I don't think such a blanket assertion stand up to reality.

So go after the violent criminals and dont rip apart familiea and communities, duh.

What kind of idiocy goes into believing these folks are trying to protect criminals?

No excuse for stereotyping them all, and getting emotional about it. Its childish.
 
Why are you so emotional about it? These people cause you no harm.

41 pages of examples and it doesn't being to touch the violence/crimes caused by illegally here people
 
And then they stay.
Entering illegally is a crime. Overstaying your legality isn't. So they show up at the San Ysidro crossing and say they're going to visit friends or family or going to Disneyland or whatever then they just stay.
If they misrepresented their intent at entry, that is a crime also.
 
If they misrepresented their intent at entry, that is a crime also.
Yeah, that would be entering illegally.
Some people don't know that the tech industry has lots of illegal workers too. They come on student visas and when they're about to graduate there's job fairs and recruitment drives run by people who don't care much about government paperwork when they're competing for talent.
 
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we're going to protect people illegally in the USA
Nah.

Just not falling for the “conditioning to authoritarianism campaign”. The jackboot bullshit.

The cruelty theater.

The lies.

The shitting on the Constitution, cheering things the founders forbade to our government as tools of tyranny.
 
. .. and thwart any efforts of ICE enforcing existing immigration laws.
Nah. Just the theater aspects.

Regular cops are required to be identifiable lest they misbehave. I can see the exception for undercover officers, kinda. I don’t always agree with what they’re doing undercover but can understand the reasons they wear masks at busts if their targets.

Cosplay randos and actual ICE agents are indistinguishable from each other. There has already been abuse of this.

Here in liberal California if a cop light you up it is legal to turn on your flashers and proceed to a public place before stopping becasue some jackass made a fake highway patrol car and got a fake cop outfit and used them to pull over and rape a couple of girls.

ALL law enforcement works for us, the tax paying citizenry. We have every right to require them to be identifiable.

They are our employees.

Not our masters.
 
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