Indicators For Trump Win

[tosca1]

The polls tell the same story: Trump is trailing. But as we all know what happened in 2016.......Trump won!
This time they say, it's different. Trump is truly, undeniably trailing. The polls we see may indeed indicate that, but........................ are they reliable?
If it happened before, it can happen again.....right?

There are several indicators that tell this could be another 2016.


1) Enthusiasm factor. Trump's crowd are huge, and enthusiastic! Biden/Harris crowd are practically non-existent. Of course, their supporters point to Covid 19 as an excuse.

2) Majority of Americans say they are better off now than they were 4 years ago.
Why would they want to risk what they have now and gamble on Biden - who was VP 4 years ago?

3) 51% of Americans went along with Trump's nominee for the Supreme Court - despite all the negative and attacks from the Dems and left-leaning media, and the polls that say 62% Americans would want to have the next president make the appointment - still, 51% ended up supporting Trump's appointment! . They want Barrett confirmed!

4) Trump's secret supporters. They exist. They're quiet about it for their own reasons.

5) Though polls indicate a gloomy outlook for Trump - voters' registrations tell a different story!



Republicans see bright spot in 2020 voter registration push

The Republican Party has cut into Democrats’ advantage in voter registration tallies across some critical presidential battleground states, a fact they point to as evidence of steady — and overlooked — enthusiasm for President Donald Trump and his party

Republicans see bright spot in 2020 voter registration push

The Republican Party has cut into Democrats’ advantage in voter registration tallies across some critical presidential battleground states, a fact they point to as evidence of steady — and overlooked — enthusiasm for President Donald Trump and his party

abcnews.go.com

 

[tosca1]

Trump is winning the voter registration battle against Biden in key states
It may not be enough to erase the former VP's polling lead but could boost the president if the race tightens.

Trump is winning the voter registration battle against Biden in key states

It may not be enough to erase the former VP's polling lead but could boost the president if the race tightens.

www.nbcnews.com

That was in August. As we know, the race is tightening now.

 

[bluesmoke]

Indicators for Trump win are all that He's doing to suppress the vote and other nefarious action.

 

[tosca1]

Indicators for Trump win are all that He's doing to suppress the vote and other nefarious action.

Care to review your knee-jerk response? It doesn't make any sense. It's juvenile.

 

[Greenbeard]

220,000+ dead Americans and a collapsed economy.

 

[tosca1]

Going back to that 51% of Americans saying they're better off now than 4 years ago.....no kidding!

Lol, I saw a tv ad of Biden crowing at the fact that he had something to do with the recovery of the economy.....along this line:


What Biden Learned the Last Time the World Stopped

He oversaw the 2009 economic recovery for Barack Obama. If he wins the presidency, his first task will be to perform an encore on an even more daunting scale.

What Biden Learned the Last Time the World Stopped

He oversaw the 2009 economic recovery for Barack Obama. If he wins the presidency, his first task will be to perform an encore on an even more daunting scale.

www.theatlantic.com

What they fail to tell you is this:


Obama & Biden Produced Worst Recovery Since the Great Depression


My 2016 paper for the Heartland Institute “Why the United States Has Suffered the Worst Recovery Since the Great Depression,” showed there were 11 other recessions since the Great Depression before Biden-Obama. Based on jobs, economic growth, poverty, middle class incomes, and inequality, the Biden-Obama recovery was the worst of any of them.


In the 11 other recessions since the Great Depression, the economy recovered all the jobs lost by an average of 27 months after the recession started. In the Biden-Obama recovery, the recession’s job losses were not recovered until after 76 months – more than six years.


Those Biden-Obama years included the longest period since the Great Depression with unemployment above 8 percent. Unemployment remained above 8 percent for 43 months, from February 2009, when Biden-Obama adopted the nearly $1 trillion dollar stimulus package, until August, 2012. That was almost the entire first term of Biden-Obama. It also included 30 months with unemployment above 9 percent, from April, 2009 until September, 2011. That was the longest period with unemployment above 9 percent since the Great Depression.

Ferrara: Obama & Biden Produced Worst Recovery Since the Great Depression

By Peter J. Ferrara, Senior Fellow at The Heartland Institute Perhaps the most important issue facing the country during the next four years is how our President will steer the economy and b…

theeconomicstandard.com

People have a short memory. All Trump has to do is......................remind them!

 

[Schweddy]

There are several indicators that tell this could be another 2016.

I think you summed up nicely what many people are thinking. We do not know the Covid-19 factor. I'm thinking it is just more talking points against him.

Besides, if leadership were to blame, wouldn't Governors be held to same standard and equally disqualified?

 

[tosca1]

....and, I just saw Barack lending a helping hand yesterday campaigning for Biden.
Obama is the biggest instigator of this great divide happening in the USA right now. Biden was part of that!



Obama's Divided America

Trump, when all is said and done, certainly won’t be remembered as a great unifier either as he’s fully embraced this modern political climate. But America reached its final form under Obama. Obama was the tipping point. He was when America crossed the Rubicon and now exists politically in a constant state of strife and angst.

Obama's Divided America

townhall.com

More Americans feel Obama’s presidency divided the country than brought it together
Eight years after Obama’s historic election, just 27 percent see the U.S. as more united as a result of his presidency, according to an Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll conducted after the 2016 election. Far more — 44 percent — say it’s more divided.

More Americans feel Obama’s presidency divided the country than brought it together

More Americans feel Barack Obama’s presidency divided the country than feel it brought people together, a new poll shows. Yet he leaves office held in high esteem by a solid majority.

www.denverpost.com

Well - here's a black guy campaigning for Trump!
He may not be an Obama - but he's your regular folk out there!



After researching all of the facts from this video it only made sense to vote for Donald Trump. Seriously put all petty issues aside. Put all the fake twisted “facts” you hear on social media and do the research yourself. The two things that mean the most to me are the protection of our constitutional rights and equality for all.






He has a message that will resonate to every colored person!

 

[Kreton]

The polls tell the same story: Trump is trailing. But as we all know what happened in 2016.......Trump won!
This time they say, it's different. Trump is truly, undeniably trailing. The polls we see may indeed indicate that, but........................ are they reliable?
If it happened before, it can happen again.....right?

There are several indicators that tell this could be another 2016.


1) Enthusiasm factor. Trump's crowd are huge, and enthusiastic! Biden/Harris crowd are practically non-existent. Of course, their supporters point to Covid 19 as an excuse.

2) Majority of Americans say they are better off now than they were 4 years ago.
Why would they want to risk what they have now and gamble on Biden - who was VP 4 years ago?

3) 51% of Americans went along with Trump's nominee for the Supreme Court - despite all the negative and attacks from the Dems and left-leaning media, and the polls that say 62% Americans would want to have the next president make the appointment - still, 51% ended up supporting Trump's appointment! . They want Barrett confirmed!

4) Trump's secret supporters. They exist. They're quiet about it for their own reasons.

5) Though polls indicate a gloomy outlook for Trump - voters' registrations tell a different story!



Republicans see bright spot in 2020 voter registration push

The Republican Party has cut into Democrats’ advantage in voter registration tallies across some critical presidential battleground states, a fact they point to as evidence of steady — and overlooked — enthusiasm for President Donald Trump and his party

Republicans see bright spot in 2020 voter registration push

The Republican Party has cut into Democrats’ advantage in voter registration tallies across some critical presidential battleground states, a fact they point to as evidence of steady — and overlooked — enthusiasm for President Donald Trump and his party

abcnews.go.com

In 1980 the US mens hockey team won the gold medal at the Olympics. The win was so unforseen that it was and still is considered and labeled as a miracle.

Also in 2016 Leicester City won the premier league. From wikipedia

Bookmakers thought Leicester's victory was so unlikely that Ladbrokes and William Hill offered odds of 5,000–1 for it at the start of the season. Neither bookmaker had ever paid out such long odds, and the trophy resulted in the largest payout in British sporting history with total winnings of £25 million. The scale of the surprise attracted global attention for the club and the city of Leicester. The Economist declared it would be "pored over for management lessons"

Point is, shit happens. Things that no one saw coming, things that could not be predicted. Things that create a moment in history that is significant because it is so rare for something that unlikely to occur. But after shocking the world, reality sets in. The US didn't come back and win gold again in 84. Leicester didn't shock the world again. No, they pulled off the impossible, came back and tried and people stopped underestimating them and they got their asses kicked. Polls didn't predict a Trump win in 2016, but Trump was within most state polling margin of errors at the end and barely won. By election date I think they had Trump around 35-38% chance to win. Trump did overcome these numbers before, but the difference between 2016 and today is that Americans have seen what a Trump America looks like, they don't like it. Americans sat home in 2016 thinking there is no way Trump wins. They know that isn't true this time around. Trump isn't running against Clinton this time around. You can regurgitate extreme white wing hate group media stats all you want while you people cling to hope, but election day is coming.

 

[Slavister]

Besides, if leadership were to blame, wouldn't Governors be held to same standard and equally disqualified?

Governors and Feds have different roles in a pandemic. E.g. testing (both development and procurement), PPE (procurement), consistent national messaging and strategy fall on the Feds. Trump failed on all.

@tosca1, yes, maybe... we'll see if pollsters adjusted and captured these factors soon enough. So far Dems are voting a lot more than Reps in early voting for the states that report this data. You could argue that's all because of COVID and Reps (as widely expected) will come out in force on Nov 3. We'll see.

 

[Schweddy]

Governors and Feds have different roles in a pandemic. E.g. testing (both development and procurement), PPE (procurement), consistent national messaging and strategy fall on the Feds. Trump failed on all.

This is where we disagree. The original idea behind states were "state nations" and each state having their own government under the umbrella of the constitution.

Trump, regardless of how arrogant or dictatorial acting he is, is not king, dictator or emperor. States do what they want and say no all the time. States have made up their own laws on how to deal with this pandemic.

Don't pass buck on Trump and don't pass buck on Govenors/Mayors - it is silly to think they should get a pass because the main dude isn't liked.

 

[Slavister]

This is where we disagree. The original idea behind states were "state nations" and each state having their own government under the umbrella of the constitution.

Trump, regardless of how arrogant or dictatorial acting he is, is not king, dictator or emperor. States do what they want and say no all the time. States have made up their own laws on how to deal with this pandemic.

Don't pass buck on Trump and don't pass buck on Govenors/Mayors - it is silly to think they should get a pass because the main dude isn't liked.

The founders did NOT limit the powers of the Fed to respond to national threats like pandemics, which is what our government has used for health issues affecting the country.

For example, take a look at this Bush era document covering what Federal government needs to do for influenza pandemics, or this one from 2017.

The fact of the matter is that States do not and cannot deal with supplies, many of which come not just from other States that may need them but also from other countries. As we have seen when Trump created vacuum in this space, it became a wild west where States were competing with each other driving up prices for ventilators, PPE and other resources in a panic (AND competing against Feds too!) Some states had to reach out to other countries on their own. Some were making 4-million dollar deals in McDonald's parking lots. That is NOT normal or effective or right.

Just like we have a national defense against military attacks, it makes sense to have a national defense against a global pandemic.

States also do not have resources for each one developing their own tests, protocols, studies on what works and what does not, treatments, etc. That's something Feds can and should be responsible for. That's what CDC is for.

Next, our States do not have enforceable borders. Think about shutdowns where people are free to enter and leave neighboring states - that's one of the reasons our shutdowns were not as effective as they were in Europe. Inconsistent strategies are bad for fighting pandemics for the same reason.

Finally, it does not matter what Governors do when 30% of population does NOT believe pandemic is a big issue, and thus won't follow public mandates or take them seriously. Trump is responsible for this.

 

[tosca1]

Trump Sees Reason for Hope in Voter Signups That Polls May Miss

As of this week across eight battleground states, Republicans have registered about 179,000 more voters than Democrats since 2016, including big net gains in two states that could decide the election -- Florida and Pennsylvania. After the 2016 election, famously decided by about 88,000 voters in three Midwestern states, that margin could prove significant on Election Night.

Trump Sees Reason for Hope in Voter Signups That Polls May Miss

 

[joko104]

If this really was an legitimate election, Trump would win - barely. But it's not. Democracy in the USA has ended. Now elections are just illusionary propaganda by the International corporate fascist plutocrats.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

If this really was an legitimate election, Trump would win - barely. But it's not. Democracy in the USA has ended. Now elections are just illusionary propaganda by the International corporate fascist plutocrats.

The majority of Americans didn't vote for Trump.

He has always been unpopular. Hopefully, he'll be a one-term president rejected by voters.

 

[Pound4abrown]

If this really was an legitimate election, Trump would win - barely. But it's not. Democracy in the USA has ended. Now elections are just illusionary propaganda by the International corporate fascist plutocrats.

Only losers say shit like this.
It is a way to pre-excuse a loss.

 

[joko104]

Only losers say shit like this.
It is a way to pre-excuse a loss.

Only completely gullible little servants of the most wealthy people on earth don't understand exactly what is happening.

Do you think Trump legitimately won the presidency?

What "losers" do is incessantly rant RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA like 1950s KKK members.

 

[SCrider]

The polls tell the same story: Trump is trailing. But as we all know what happened in 2016.......Trump won!
This time they say, it's different. Trump is truly, undeniably trailing. The polls we see may indeed indicate that, but........................ are they reliable?
If it happened before, it can happen again.....right?

There are several indicators that tell this could be another 2016.


1) Enthusiasm factor. Trump's crowd are huge, and enthusiastic! Biden/Harris crowd are practically non-existent. Of course, their supporters point to Covid 19 as an excuse.

2) Majority of Americans say they are better off now than they were 4 years ago.
Why would they want to risk what they have now and gamble on Biden - who was VP 4 years ago?

3) 51% of Americans went along with Trump's nominee for the Supreme Court - despite all the negative and attacks from the Dems and left-leaning media, and the polls that say 62% Americans would want to have the next president make the appointment - still, 51% ended up supporting Trump's appointment! . They want Barrett confirmed!

4) Trump's secret supporters. They exist. They're quiet about it for their own reasons.

5) Though polls indicate a gloomy outlook for Trump - voters' registrations tell a different story!



Republicans see bright spot in 2020 voter registration push

The Republican Party has cut into Democrats’ advantage in voter registration tallies across some critical presidential battleground states, a fact they point to as evidence of steady — and overlooked — enthusiasm for President Donald Trump and his party

Republicans see bright spot in 2020 voter registration push

The Republican Party has cut into Democrats’ advantage in voter registration tallies across some critical presidential battleground states, a fact they point to as evidence of steady — and overlooked — enthusiasm for President Donald Trump and his party

abcnews.go.com

In the middle of a Pandemic you are touting crowd size as an indication of trump winning. No, it's an indictment of Trumps stupidity and the stupidity of his followers. Cult like ......

 

[Pound4abrown]

Only completely gullible little servants of the most wealthy people on earth don't understand exactly what is happening.

Do you think Trump legitimately won the presidency?

What "losers" do is incessantly rant RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA like 1950s KKK members.

Look, you want to paint anyone who disagrees with you on this as gullible, but yet, it is folks such as yourself, and Trump
who are looking at this election through the prism that if he wins all good, but if he loses there can only be one reason, and that is fraud.
You know as opposed to him actually losing.
Fret not, no one expects him to concede.

There has only been one other time that the country has heard this line of bull-shit in our history, and that was in 2016. Mere coincidence, I am sure.
Pray tell, why was Trump's blue ribbon commission unable to find rampant voter fraud that he claimed was the reason he lost the popular vote?
Right. But I am gullible.

 

[HangLow]

We had a record number of new covid cases today,
just about 80,000.
The previous was about 75,000 in a day
and I think that was in July.

-Peace
TheLOW

 

[ReubenSherr]

We had a record number of new covid cases today,
just about 80,000.
The previous was about 75,000 in a day
and I think that was in July.

And our mortality rate is decreasing even further. And employment is rebounding.

If Biden is elected, our case numbers will be the same, while our economy will tank due to his pessimism and forced lockdowns.

Under Biden, it would truly be a "dark winter."

Biden wearing a mask 24/7 will not make a shred of difference.

 

[HangLow]

And our mortality rate is decreasing even further.
And employment is rebounding.
If Biden is elected, our case numbers will be the same,
while our economy will tank due to
his pessimism and forced lockdowns.
Under Biden, it would truly be a "dark winter."
Biden wearing a mask 24/7 will not make a shred of difference.

ReubenSherr,
Seeing you are from San Luis Obispo, CA ,
brought back some fond memories.
As an Engineering Manager for Sprint,
I visited our West Coast International Site there many times.

Senate GOP to drop documentary series
days before election hitting China, Democrats
over coronavirus

Senate GOP to drop documentary series days before election hitting China, Democrats over coronavirus

Senate Republicans will release a documentary series just days before the election hitting China and congressional Democrats over the coronavirus pandemic.

thehill.com

Look like the G.O.P. is completely confused:

Teddy:
Honestly, we're scared sh*tless

-Peace
TheLOW

 

[skeptic llc]

You can regurgitate extreme white wing hate group media stats all you want while you people cling to hope, but election day is coming.

Respectfully, I do not think this was called for. Perhaps you have a prior history with tosca1 or something.

 

[skeptic llc]

Don't pass buck on Trump and don't pass buck on Govenors/Mayors - it is silly to think they should get a pass because the main dude isn't liked.

Very true. I don't think many are doing this, though. I'm certainly critical of the governors I think are doing a bad job, and not just of Trump.

 

[Oborosen]

220,000+ dead Americans and a collapsed economy.

Yes you have a point. The democrats really screwed themselves over by pulling their shit on a such a routine basis.