No. I already said I agreed with your objection, and your stated idea of biblical interpretation. Many equate the person of Christ with "The Word", which is "in the beginning" and "was with God" and "Was God", taking the leap that the bible also = "The Word"... I disagree with that as I believe there is a distinction. How ever you are really uninformed of the role of Jesus in the old testament. Look up old testament Christophany.
1.)Yeah you did.....and that link explains what I was saying about the law and that it didn't discriminate.
2.) That it was designed to give religious businesses the consideration they can validate.
3.) Naturally coming from a Right leaning Source they will lay it on like that. But if you wanted you could have checked out the link to the USA article where you would not have that type of rhetoric. Then you are stuck with nothing but someone from the left and who is in the State if Indiana and is a Law Professor.
4.)So again I not falling for well this might or could be.
5.)Moreover.....due to all this faux outrage. Pence and Indiana will rewrite it for clarification.
There you go again.
Arrogant, irritating, killing off what might be a good discussion and just so full of yourself, beyond all reason to be so.
No surprise from someone who's tag line is "I'm kind of a big deal"
Well, guess what. You're not.
Conversation terminated. Expect no further responses.
Question: When Ted Kennedy wrote the national RFRA, was he a bigot or just being a political hack?
How about Bill Clinton for signing it?
Or when Obama voted for the same law in Illinois. Was he a bigot, too?
I might be uninformed by choice. I'm atheist. Have been since early teens. That was back before dirt was invented.
I'd like to see how many other Christians subscribe to the argument that the entire text of the bible is the words of "Jesus".
Thanks for taking the time to present your argument.
I have never known any Christian ever say the entire test of the Bible is the words of Jesus.
As usual, atheists have no idea what is the Bible, you probably think it is a book.
BTW, "the word of God" is from the original Greek. It does not mean every word is spoken by God, but rather it information, "word" of or about God.
The Bible is available in over 2,000 languages and dialects, is the single best selling book every year and can be had free simply by walking into any church, and yet the all knowing atheist community has never bothered to even read it let alone study a commentary about the customs and traditions that shape the stories so that, like any history student, can put words in proper perspective.
fyi
national =/= Illinois =/= Indiana version
1.) sorry but no it doesnt it any fashion, it gives an opinion of what that person thinks the design is and should help but it in no was proves its not a way to make once illegal discrimination legal. Theres nothing in there that even comes close. ANd theres also nothing in there that doesnt already exist now but is more clearly defined.
2.) correct a NEW consideration that could now make illegal discrimination legal
3.) who is also just giving his opinion and doesnt mention anything that changes the fact there is a new avenue to make one illegal discrimination legal
4.) theres nothing to fall for, it is what it is and its a new avenue to make once illegal discrimination legal, if its not that then its not needed
5.) the faux outrage is legit concern, especially when its different than other BILLS of the same name /nature and some of the clarification in those bills was rejected . . .that alone makes it very logical to be concerned over this.
I guess ill just stick to my original question that hasnt been answered.
As a christian what does this do for me that isnt already done by the constitution and anti-discrimination laws
I wasn't raised in an atheist home. I was raised by my grandparent who insisted in my reading it. But I found it to be less than believable. That's all. :shrug:
But I don't think that allowing business to operate around their religious beliefs should be supported.
I hope those bigoted business crash...
It was that wretched Hobby Lobby decision was Indiana's guiding force in feeling it was A-Otay to discriminate against people.
Ginsburg was right when she said it would create havoc -- giving the green light for states to write RFRA's like this.
"The court, I fear, has ventured into a minefield." she said
Also, too: "Although the Court attempts to cabin its language to closely held corporations, its logic extends to corporations of any size, public or private. Little doubt that RFRA claims will proliferate." -Ginsburg
Bingo, she hit it on the head.
The HL decision specifically dealt with "closely held corporations."
This Indiana law? Nope. Even major Corps, not in any way "closely held" are included.
Maybe some are beginning to understand why so many people / companies / even cities and now even an entire state (Conn., for example) ( banning travel to Indiana for its state / city employees) have a problem with this law.
Shhh. If you listen, you can hear the free market speaking regarding Indiana's religion-based discrimination law.
March 31, 2015
Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana said Tuesday he had asked lawmakers to change the state's religious freedom law to make it clear that businesses cannot discriminate against gays and lesbians. He asked lawmakers to pass legislation that would be on his desk by the end of the week.
Agreed, they are really making asses of themselves on this topic
Simpleχity;1064480545 said:Indiana Governor Asks For Changes In Religious Freedom Law
It will be interesting to see just how Indiana's legislators go about renovating their RFRA law.
This is obviously a very controversial topic. And there are obviously many varying opinions. But, based on the fact that this bill will give business owners the right to deny service to pretty much anyone they choose under the basis of "religious freedom" they could deny service to African-Americans, Americans, Heterosexuals, males, and females, etc. Now I think we can all agree that people who fall under the above mentioned ethnicities, sexual orientations, and genders would have a hissy fit if they were denied access/service. Be it what you are, would you not be a tad bit angry if your favorite restaurant decided they would no longer serve you because of what/who you are?
So who told you that the entire text of the Bible is Jesus word.
You said you have been an atheist since your early teens, I doubt you absorbed much and certainly, from your posts, never studied context and meaning. And clearly you have a very distorted view of it's intent. I sense some family resentments here.
Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
Yes. All the words of the Bible are the words of Jesus
Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
Jesus said "before Abraham was I AM". To know what that meant to His contemporaries, look at the response from His hearers. Note the context at the end of verse 53. Then the response verse 59; the response of stoning is punishment for blasphemy, claiming to pre exist Abraham and using a reference to the omnipresent (I AM).
John 8: 53 Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you make yourself out to be?” 54 Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’[a] 55 But you have not known him. I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and I keep his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” 59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.
Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
I actually agree with the sentiment of your objection, I just wanted you to see where the other poster's attitude on the subject was coming from.
Call us when that happens, until then let's not spin on what ifs. And sexual orientation is not a protected class in the majority of states.
With all due respect, please don't play psychologist in the matter. And I've been exposed to religion in one way or another most of my life. I feel very comfortable with my being an atheist. At least as much as you might as a theist.
Back to the topic.
Ummmmm...I think it's a fairly new member in which I disagreed with the post below:
And John posted some scriptures which basically quoted Jesus as saying that he was with god prior to Abraham...or something to that effect.
Then he later posted the following:
A self proclaimed atheist who has studied the Bible "most of my life"........
have a good day
fyi I never said it was. Obama rejected gays from being married until just a few years ago when it was politically expedient.
He even voted to restrict it in his home state.
Its a stunning dichotomy.
Before you begin attacking my opinion would you please answer the question I posed early: Would you not be the least bit angry if you were denied access/service based on what or who you are?Call us when that happens, until then let's not spin on what ifs. And sexual orientation is not a protected class in the majority of states.
1.)It is new.....Indiana didn't have the RFRA. So they joined other states that had it to.
2.)Do you own a religious business? If you do.....it looks like this law will give you the same equal consideration when it comes to civil matters.
Simpleχity;1064480545 said:Indiana Governor Asks For Changes In Religious Freedom Law
It will be interesting to see just how Indiana's legislators go about renovating their RFRA law.
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