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Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

When asked during a press conference, House Speaker Brian Bosma (R-Indianapolis) basically said that with few exceptions, discrimination against gays is allowed in Indiana (Video is 27 min.)


According to the Human Rights Campaign, only the cities of Bloomington, Evansville, Indianapolis, and South Bend prohibit discrimination against LGBT people, along with Marion County and Monroe County.
 

I would agree that it's very unlikely. I'm SURE I could find a few examples, but those would be rare exceptions and do not prove anything. And I agree with you about walk in clinics. However, what is your opinion on those few doctors who WOULD send away a homosexual in need of medical attention, just because they are homosexual?
 
HenryChinaski said:
Call BS all ya want. I'm relaying what transpired.
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Then your friend has a legitimate law suit if what you say is true, but I doubt very much what you say or what he told you was true.

Just sayin.

Tim-
 
Liberals have a mob mentality, something they claim to despise. they gang up on one group(in this case christians) and bully them and make it their mission to ruin the lives of those who disagree. It's the worst kind of attitude and mindset.
 
Travis007 said:
again.. quote whats the issue so I can help you.. I cant read minds
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I've stated the issue. You are either diverting or do not understand. I'd bet the first one.
 
Travis007 said:
to be told you are right..and if its not your post, angle or agenda its incorrect... the usual
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Standard extreme conservative dodging when cornered. This did not address the specifics of my post. This is what you do, Travis. You assign a position based on YOUR agenda, and when challenged, flutter around like a chicken with no head. I've backed you into a corner. You have two choices. Either respond to my question, or dodge it. I've seen that, so far you've chosen the latter. Do you want to try again, or do you want to go the way that all extreme conservatives go... down in flames when their dishonesty and diversions are challenged and exposed?
 
JoeTrumps said:
Liberals have a mob mentality, something they claim to despise. they gang up on one group(in this case christians) and bully them and make it their mission to ruin the lives of those who disagree. It's the worst kind of attitude and mindset.
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From what I'VE seen in this thread, your comments are decidedly one sided... which is not surprising. In this thread, several liberals have over-reacted and taken the law to the extreme. And several conservatives have misrepresented, been blind, and assigned positions that do not apply. The problem here is both sides, as usual.
 

I like how you stated that I have no way of knowing how the law will be applied, and then state how it would be applied in your next sentence. Classy. Have you found a case that shows RFRA being applied in the manner you've suggested? Shouldn't be a problem, given that these laws have been on the books for decades.

I can't seem to find any article on your city, which you didn't name. Can you link something?
 

We are also getting another tax hike after the largest tax hike in state history when he took over. WEEEEEEEEeeee.
 

Yes, because people who experience righteous anger when losing their human rights are just as bad as people who experience defensive anger when called out for oppressing others' rights. :roll: Epic fail, CC.
 

Also, yes, we have a version of the religious freedom laws from the 90s. HAhahaha.
 
Blue_State said:
We are also getting another tax hike after the largest tax hike in state history when he took over. WEEEEEEEEeeee.
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We lived in Fairfield County back in the early 1990s. I miss the fun of downtown Stamford. I don't miss the taxes.
 
Phys251 said:
Yes, because people who experience righteous anger when losing their human rights are just as bad as people who experience defensive anger when called out for oppressing others' rights. :roll: Epic fail, CC.
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"Righteous" is subjective, and you just did precisely what I said. BOTH sides have legitimate positions on this issue. The problem is the application of those issues.
 
Helix said:
the state shouldn't scansion any of those, either.
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The state should do its job and protect the private property rights of its citizens. It doesn't have to "sanction" anything by letting free people make choices about who they want to associate with and who they want to hold custom with.
 
tres borrachos said:
Judges shouldn't be elected I agree. How do you believe they should get to their respective positions then?

That story in your signature line. Did that news make it to the Netherlands?
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In the Netherlands judges go to a school for judges.

You first need a university law degree and between 2 and 5 years of relevant legal work experience outside of the court system.

You also need to have demands on the personal level like a good analytical mind, have insight in legal issues and has to be comfortable making decisions. Working under stress should have no consequences with regard to the quality of your work. You have to have excellent communicative qualities and you need to be able to make transparent and pure decisions. You also need to have decent social experience.

Then you need to go through 11 weeks of interview processes, a process of 13 steps including the person officially filling out an application, then there is a review based on the application to review if all the demands were met, then the candidates are checked through the police and court records, then an analytical test, pre-interview, all your references are contacted and checked, a psychological assessment, 3 interviews with the selection committee, decision of the committee, first job interview with the court that is looking for new judges, intake interview where the length of your education/schooling will be decided with member of the court and representatives of the education institute (specifically deciding which study subjects need extra attention), an interview in which the specific working conditions are discussed and it ends with the education itself.

The education process is very extensive and if you are interested you can read about it here https://ssr.nl/uploads/Pdf-documenten/Initieel/Summary%20new%20Dutch%20initial%20training%20programme.pdf

After that someone will be appointed as a judge. That is at least how it goes in the Netherlands.
 
tres borrachos said:
We lived in Fairfield County back in the early 1990s. I miss the fun of downtown Stamford. I don't miss the taxes.
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I must have come in when you were leaving. I moved to Fairfield County in 1995. I moved back to Ohio in 2011. And not a moment too soon. To borrow a line from Samuel Clemens, if I owned Connecticut and I owned hell, I'd rent out Connecticut and live in hell.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
"Righteous" is subjective, and you just did precisely what I said. BOTH sides have legitimate positions on this issue. The problem is the application of those issues.
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If you are straight and cisgender, then you have the privilege of making comments such as these. You are completely dismissing the legitimate concerns of LGBTs, who have to deal with homophobia and genderphobia every day of their lives. As such, your holier-than-thou attitude does not deserve to be listened to. It only deserves to be stood up.
 
Deuce said:
A Muslim business owner can refuse to serve bacon, but they can't refuse to serve bacon to black people but serve bacon to white people anyway. Hope this helps your confusion.
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But can a Muslim cake decorator refuse to make a Happy Birthday Muhammad cake, with picture?
 
tres borrachos said:
Nope, not a vegetarian restaurant. She, like I, loves animals and doesn't appreciate jokes about animals being made into meat.
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Just don't understand why someone would be so opposed to hunting while making a living selling meat from slaughterhouses. But that's a subject for another thread.

She can't say "You have to leave because I don't like black people". Black people are of the protected class. Have you been following along?
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You're the one who claimed "you can deny service to anyone for any reason"

State public accommodations laws - which is why I say things like "typically," "usually," and "most if not all" because I don't know the law in every state.

A cleaning service is not "a place of public accommodation."
 
HenryChinaski said:
Arbitrarily jettisoning those that you don't like the looks off from a business that serves the public isn't freedom. That's some nazi era ****.
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first off.. I dont believe your story, second, you are the one with knowing the "absolutes"...maybe there was no Dr on staff that could help him or the proper equipment...
 

It was on Last Week Tonight in a subject that lasted about 5 minutes

John Oliver on 'Last Week Tonight' takes on 4th-graders' bill killed by NH legislators | NH1


After that I read up on it before I posted it because I really thought it was inappropriate to use a bill written by 4th graders (and witnessed by said 4th graders) in such a manner.

And at the end they made the raptor those 4th graders wanted to make into the state raptor into the Last Week Tonight official raptor.
 
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