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AmNat

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We need to pursue one of two strategies for the coronavirus. Straddling the fence serves no purpose.

1. Avoidance

A. We shut down the border. No foreigners in, any returning citizens have to be quarantined. America is closed until further notice, and

B. Internal disease control mechanisms should also be rigorous. Every non-essential industry involving in-person contact should be shut down, and anyone potentially exposed to the virus should be forcibly quarantined.

A would last until a vaccine existed, B would last until a vaccine existed or until the disease was internally eradicated.

2. Curve Flattening / Herd Immunity

In this plan, the goal is to let the virus pass through a sizable chunk of the US population while minimizing the harm done. This is our current putative strategy. But if we're going to do this, we should have the elderly and immuno-compromised bunker down in their homes, while the rest of us should get the virus as quickly as possible. Once most of the healthy population had been infected and recovered, the American population would have herd immunity (think of this as a crude vaccination program).

The version of this we're currently implementing, where *everyone* is supposed to practice "social distancing", will slow the spread of the virus, but won't ultimately reduce the number of at-risk people who get infected.
 
We need to pursue one of two strategies for the coronavirus. Straddling the fence serves no purpose.

1. Avoidance

A. We shut down the border. No foreigners in, any returning citizens have to be quarantined. America is closed until further notice, and

B. Internal disease control mechanisms should also be rigorous. Every non-essential industry involving in-person contact should be shut down, and anyone potentially exposed to the virus should be forcibly quarantined.

A would last until a vaccine existed, B would last until a vaccine existed or until the disease was internally eradicated.

2. Curve Flattening / Herd Immunity

In this plan, the goal is to let the virus pass through a sizable chunk of the US population while minimizing the harm done. This is our current putative strategy. But if we're going to do this, we should have the elderly and immuno-compromised bunker down in their homes, while the rest of us should get the virus as quickly as possible. Once most of the healthy population had been infected and recovered, the American population would have herd immunity (think of this as a crude vaccination program).

The version of this we're currently implementing, where *everyone* is supposed to practice "social distancing", will slow the spread of the virus, but won't ultimately reduce the number of at-risk people who get infected.

Who cares for the vulnerable while they are hunkered down?
 
We need to pursue one of two strategies for the coronavirus. Straddling the fence serves no purpose.

1. Avoidance

A. We shut down the border. No foreigners in, any returning citizens have to be quarantined. America is closed until further notice, and

B. Internal disease control mechanisms should also be rigorous. Every non-essential industry involving in-person contact should be shut down, and anyone potentially exposed to the virus should be forcibly quarantined.

A would last until a vaccine existed, B would last until a vaccine existed or until the disease was internally eradicated.

2. Curve Flattening / Herd Immunity

In this plan, the goal is to let the virus pass through a sizable chunk of the US population while minimizing the harm done. This is our current putative strategy. But if we're going to do this, we should have the elderly and immuno-compromised bunker down in their homes, while the rest of us should get the virus as quickly as possible. Once most of the healthy population had been infected and recovered, the American population would have herd immunity (think of this as a crude vaccination program).

The version of this we're currently implementing, where *everyone* is supposed to practice "social distancing", will slow the spread of the virus, but won't ultimately reduce the number of at-risk people who get infected.

There is no herd immunity for covid19. You can catch it twice
 
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B. Internal disease control mechanisms should also be rigorous. Every non-essential industry involving in-person contact should be shut down, and anyone potentially exposed to the virus should be forcibly quarantined.


Everyone is potentially exposed. Who were you near 9 days ago? What door knob or surface did you touch 9 days ago? Most of the spread is from people that have no idea they have it.

We have not had massive testing like South Korea in this country. So we got no clue. Whoever gets infected today may or may not start showing symptoms and will start getting tested in 5 or 9 or 14 days, with those tests coming back in another day or two or three. Most that DO show symptoms will NOT get tested at all and will just stay home until they "feel better" never really knowing if they got a cold or a flu or covid19.
 
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Who cares for the vulnerable while they are hunkered down?

Walmart Delivery (the delivery could be irradiated, if necessary).

For those who physically can't care for themselves, their caretakers could also isolate themselves.
 
Walmart Delivery (the delivery could be irradiated, if necessary).

For those who physically can't care for themselves, their caretakers could also isolate themselves.

LMAO... Will this be delivered around the time of the drive through testing at Walmarts?
 
There is no herd immunity for covid19. You can catch it twice

The only evidence for that is a handful of anecdotes. In any case, if that were true then no form of "curve flattening" would be viable.

Everyone is potentially exposed. Who were you near 9 days ago? What door knob or surface did you touch 9 days ago? Most of the spread is from people that have no idea they have it.

We have not had massive testing like South Korea in this country. So we got no clue. Whoever gets infected today may or may not start showing symptoms and will start getting tested in 5 or 9 or 14 days, with those tests coming back in another day or two or three. Most that DO show symptoms will NOT get tested at all and will just stay home until they "feel better" never really knowing if they got a cold or a flu or covid19.

LMAO... Will this be delivered around the time of the drive through testing at Walmarts?

If the objection is that our government is chronically incompetent, then that's true, though it's just as much of an argument against any policy.
 
The only evidence for that is a handful of anecdotes. In any case, if that were true then no form of "curve flattening" would be viable.





If the objection is that our government is chronically incompetent, then that's true, though it's just as much of an argument against any policy.

Curve flattening comes from containment and quarantine
 
If the objection is that our government is chronically incompetent, then that's true, though it's just as much of an argument against any policy.

You said "anyone potentially exposed to the virus should be forcibly quarantined." I point out that's everyone. So, that's why Italy is doing what it's doing. So far we are following their path in growth of cases and likelihood of overwhelming our healthcare system.
 
You said "anyone potentially exposed to the virus should be forcibly quarantined." I point out that's everyone. So, that's why Italy is doing what it's doing. So far we are following their path in growth of cases and likelihood of overwhelming our healthcare system.

Well yes, Italy is (now) following the avoidance strategy. I already said it would involve general social restrictions.
 
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