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In a country with over 350 million folks, what does 'small' government look like?

I hear the term all the time but I don't think I've heard it explained. How small of a government would it take to run a country with hundreds of millions of people?
It's not really possible. Even an anarchist like me has to realistically understand that running such a large country takes a certain amount of oversight. I want it to be as unobtrusive as possible, but we can't survive as a country without it.
 
I hear the term all the time but I don't think I've heard it explained. How small of a government would it take to run a country with hundreds of millions of people?
A small federal government became obsolete with FDR and his massive federal programs which has continued to grow. When we crossed the line from a rural society to an urban one, there was no choice but to have an expansive federal government. Although I think a small federal government means different things to different people. With 350 million people, there’s no way to go back to a small federal government with little to no influence in a person’s daily life. I think the big difference is today with a large federal government we expect government to solve our problems whereas in a small federal government, we attempted to solve our problems ourselves. My take. But there’s no going back. This country is too large, too many people, too urbanized, to use to government solving our problems or at least attempting to. To providing safety nets and other programs which weren't there pre-FDR.

The thing is we have outgrown our old agrarian society where a small and perhaps a do-nothing federal government was feasible. Today, it’s not. One needs to adjust to the changing circumstances and needs of the country and its people.
 
We could easily get by on 50% of the current military budget.

For example a boeing 737 costs about $50 million

A B21 costs $700 million, or 14 times as much, and has a more limited lifespan and much more expensive maintenance.

I'm not saying it shouldn't cost more, but 14 times more seems out of line.
 

There is no reason that most of what is done by the federal govt can't be done at the state level
 
For me the kind of small government I care about is mostly government power. I don't especially care about government services. What I worry about is state power to control people's lives or powers that would make it hard to change the government. So I don't really care about, say, Social Security (in fact I think it is a good thing) but I care strongly about mass surveillance.
 
I hear the term all the time but I don't think I've heard it explained. How small of a government would it take to run a country with hundreds of millions of people?

In a free society, the government doesn't "run the country". Your dreaming of something like the USSR.
 
I would like to triple the size of some parts of government while cutting others in half
 
We could easily get by on 50% of the current military budget.
Our collective police spending is double that of Russia's military budget

We barely even need a military.
 
Mass surveillance. Ever notice how some bills have ironic names? The Patriot Act was the least patriotic piece of legislation passed in my lifetime.
 

You're young right? You're in the demographic who will get absolutely screwed by SS, because who knows how much a dollar will buy in 40 years (if it even exists) and those extremely devalued dollars is how you will be paid back.

Suppose you were given the choice to opt out of the SS payroll tax, and keep the money for yourself. Would you take it?
 
I hear the term all the time but I don't think I've heard it explained. How small of a government would it take to run a country with hundreds of millions of people?

Fine, then define for us how much government we need to run this country.
 
It's not really possible. Even an anarchist like me has to realistically understand that running such a large country takes a certain amount of oversight. I want it to be as unobtrusive as possible, but we can't survive as a country without it.
Something I've struggled with as well. Clearly, the US does a relatively strong and coordinated national organization to survive. Nobody will ever support abolishing the state if there is even a chance that their quality of life will deteriorate.

I think the best way forwards is just to generally combat nationalism and push towards a more direct democracy. I view anarchism and socialism as more a direction to head in than a destination.
 
You're young right? You're in the demographic who will get absolutely screwed by SS
I'm 23. I know

I agree with the concept of Social Security. We have just drastically underfunded it and been slow to adapt or account for shifting demographics.
Suppose you were given the choice to opt out of the SS payroll tax, and keep the money for yourself. Would you take it?
Yes but only because I'm cocky enough that I feel like I could get better returns through investing. Social Security would collapse if that was an option. It would be horrible.
 
Our collective police spending is double that of Russia's military budget

We barely even need a military.
Russia spends less than a tenth what we do on our military.

 
I agree
 
I hear the term all the time but I don't think I've heard it explained. How small of a government would it take to run a country with hundreds of millions of people?
Looking Through this thread makes me think that americans do not understand the word small.

The irony here is that to make a small government you actually need to increase the amount of political parties you have.

Small in this case does not mean reducing how many there are or even attempting to reduce their power and influence by reducing numbers.

What it should mean is that instead of having a first past the post style of election that creates one party having all the power and therfore making it the biggest and strongest player. Instead try a mixed member proportional style where smaller parties have to form a coalition and will also be the guards to guard those who lead.
 
It might be a good idea for you to tell us what you think the number should be. Thus we can have something to debate.
That's priceless, lol. Conservatives?, are the ones who claim we need smaller government unless I'm mistaken and then you say it's up to me to decide what smaller is. How about a ten percent reduction of federal workers?

We on the left would like to see the super wealthy and corporate america pay their real fair share of taxes, what percentage sounds good to you?
 
sure and leave NATO and leave every other military base around the world

i mean, if you dont want to support the troops and the amounts they will need, the other countries can fend for themselves, right?
C'mon man, our military budget we show on the books is astronomical and who knows how much more we spend on black projects? We outspend the other top ten countries put together. I think we could cut our military budget in half for several years with ill effects.

Leave nato, your words not mine, leave the military bases, your words not mine. Our troops don't look like they are hurting for equipment or food.

Can we now declare the 'crisis' over?
 
It's not really possible. Even an anarchist like me has to realistically understand that running such a large country takes a certain amount of oversight. I want it to be as unobtrusive as possible, but we can't survive as a country without it.
I'm with you. The only way I would like to hear about our government is that it's doing something good for the american people, not stealing from us.
 
I agree with you and scarily we are now seeing several republican controlled states I believe exceeding their powers, the top three, oklahoma, texas and flori-duh with much more to come if the gop gets its way.
 

Ten percent might be a good start. Progressives like you after years still do not understand the difference between taxable income and wealth! That being said, I would increase taxes on carried interest income. the special tax break for real estate transactions and add a bracket on taxable income over $1 million at 60%. This is just a sample of the adjustments I would make to the code to make it fairer.
 
I hear the term all the time but I don't think I've heard it explained. How small of a government would it take to run a country with hundreds of millions of people?
It's a bullshit, empty slogan like most of the so called "conservative" ideals.

Waht they are basically saying is only rules and regulations that they like and benefit them. Anything else is bad.
And its completely moronic to have 50 states with 50 completely different laws, not practical
 
I would not want YOU managing anything where my money is invested ...... you are reckless indeed. As you have demonstrated multiple times.
 
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