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There are some things which can be known only through the passage of time. One of these is the permanence of immunity to a disease. For some, with smallpox as an example, immunity once achieved is very long-lasting. For others, not.

There are indications that immunity to the SARS-CoV-2 virus is of relatively short duration. More will be known with time. The actual time period may alter the use of a vaccine, should one be developed and found to be safe and efficacious.

Stay tuned ...
 

So far we are only assuming, from past experience, that immunity is conferred post-recovery. Reports of reinfection cast doubt on this; hundreds from South Korea according to the article, below:

What’s the Evidence for Covid-19 Reinfection? | Gizmodo UK

Studies Report Rapid Loss of COVID-19 Antibodies | The Scientist Magazine(R)
 
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Based only on the very fluid nature of any conclusions rising from our "Experts", there seems to be very little that is certain about anything in this.

It kind of makes me wonder if the experts are idiots or if their goal is to confuse.

It seems like either one or the other is true.

In passing, a friend's husband needed to get a "Negative" in order to return to work. The sixth test taken was negative. All six were counted as "Cases".

300 labs in Florida returned 100% of the tests they analyzed as positive.

Death Counts do not sort out the victims who died of other causes who were ALSO were infected by Covid. Covid present means Covid caused.

There is less about the statistics for all of this that is rock solid than can be assumed on face value.
 

Hi!

Thank you for your extensive response. How's the weather in Moscow? We're in for a hot spell here in the US northeast.

Regards.
 
It doesn't matter anymore how many tests are conducted and how much contact tracing is done, it's pointless at this stage. We are well beyond the point when we could have mitigated the infection rate.

Some people will test negative when in fact that have the virus, it's just not detectable yet. And about tracing, we can't properly and effectively trace 60,000 new people per day. Tracing will only work once the 15 min test is available to everyone, which it isn't. If there are 60k that you know have it there would be at least another 60,000 who have it without symptom, so they cannot be traced anyway. So mass testing and tracing does not work at this stage of the pandemic, it only worked in the very early stages in South East Asia.

Asymptomatic spread is where contact tracing becomes untenable. Even with testing every two weeks and a 24-hour lag in results, universal testing would catch less than half of asymptomatic carriers during their most infectious period. Plus this virus has mutated multiple times already and each time it replicates it becomes 10 times more infectious.
 
Torus34 said:
Hi!

Thank you for your extensive response. How's the weather in Moscow? We're in for a hot spell here in the US northeast.

Regards.
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Sorry.

I should have known better than to have commented.
 
code1211 said:
Sorry.

I should have known better than to have commented.
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Hi!

I'm very sorry. I miss-read your post. I had just finished setting the 'ignore' function for a couple of trolls on this forum and wasn't in my usual calm, detached mood. Please, if you can, accept my apology.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.
 
Torus34 said:
Hi!

I'm very sorry. I miss-read your post. I had just finished setting the 'ignore' function for a couple of trolls on this forum and wasn't in my usual calm, detached mood. Please, if you can, accept my apology.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.
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If you're going to put someone on "ignore," just do it rather than discussing it publicly please.
 
nota bene said:
If you're going to put someone on "ignore," just do it rather than discussing it publicly please.
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Hi!

Your wish, dear Sir or Madam, is my command. [Ed.: (tapping Torus on the shoulder,) "It's Moderator, dude. Moderator. Pay attention, man."] ;-)

Regards, stay safe 'n well.
 
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code1211 said:
It kind of makes me wonder if the experts are idiots or if their goal is to confuse.
It seems like either one or the other is true.
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What did you do to rule out the simpler hypothesis that this is an evolving situation and they are still learning about it?

Or did you go straight to the CTs first?
 

What about the immunity provided by good nutrition and a strong immune system?

Has the MSM (and you) considered a weak immune system v. a strong immune system? Have you taken into account how patients with low levels of Vitamin D fare compared to those with high levels? Levels of the anti-viral zinc?
 

Hi!

Even less to my credit, I haven't done a thorough search on the exact relationship between selenium in the diet and susceptibility to infection from a number of coronoviruses. [Ed.: 'coronovirii?]

Seriously, given the current state of knowledge about this particular virus, I would doubt that there are any studies of value at this time. It would seem logical, and logic is often a slippery thing indeed, that a strong immune system might increase the actual number of viruses needed to initiate the disease and also, once initiated, reduce its severity. Common sense, though, informed many people for many years that the earth was flat.

Regards, stay safe 'n well. [And immune.]
 
Simon W. Moon said:
What did you do to rule out the simpler hypothesis that this is an evolving situation and they are still learning about it?

Or did you go straight to the CTs first?
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Don't you just hate it when a poster edits your words for no other reason than to change the meaning and then posts them as if they have not been changed?
 

Selenium is one of those elements not found much in the typical diet. I take a bit, just to compensate. I am not sure of its role in the immune response, but the role of C, D and Zinc is pretty well established.
 
code1211 said:
Don't you just hate it when a poster edits your words for no other reason than to change the meaning and then posts them as if they have not been changed?
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Straight to CTs?
Orrrr....?
 

My question is why are the antibodies lost so quickly and are there any other diseases that are similar? It seems to go against all norms. It is almost an AIDS like effect where our immune system is compromised by the virus. If that is the case a therapy that can rid us of the virus may be needed. That is how AIDS was beaten.
 
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You can have a strong immune system and still catch COVID-19 (and any other disease for that matter). And in some cases, COVID-19 is actually made worse by an immune response that is too strong. The simple fact is we can't possibly know how long immunity to COVID-19 lasts until more time has passed.
 

Are you claiming that there are widespread deficiencies in the world's diet. That seems unlikely.
 

That the virus is man-made, engineered for gain of function, greatly changes the equation as to how it will behave and effect its hosts.
 

There's no doubt that a strong, healthy immune system will help someone that's been infected with Covid-19 to better withstand the attack on their immune system. This virus is extraordinary in many ways as scientists are finding out. One of the most alarming things they found was how virulent and highly infectious this virus is. Another factor in how seriously ill someone becomes is how great a viral load they're infected with.

Everyone gets a different degree of the amount of virus they are infected with. Naturally, the higher their viral load - the more serious the effect. The lighter the virus load - symptoms may be less severe. All these things in conjunction with strength of the immune system of the infected person matters as far as how seriously ill they will become, how soon they recover and how much cell-shedding they will do before they start showing symptoms that are unwittingly passed onto other less healthy individuals.
 
Do you suppose that all that strangeness you describe might be explained by the fact that the virus is engineered for gain of function?
 
I have a friend who works in health care. He says that their data shows that most of the COVID patients develop IgG antibodies. This would mean that you could develop a vaccine against COVID, just as any other disease. However, I don't know how fast the antibodies wane, and I guess neither does he.
 
Thoreau72 said:
That the virus is man-made, engineered for gain of function, greatly changes the equation as to how it will behave and effect its hosts.
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So you made it? You must have since no one else knows that.
 
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