Image of Wednesday's UN vote on condemning Putin's illegal invasion of Ukraine

[Rogue Valley]

The nations in RED do not condemn Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine.

 

[maxparrish]

The nations in RED do not condemn Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine.

What is India's problem...they've been reluctant on this issue.

 

[Rexedgar]

The nations in RED do not condemn Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine.

Neither do the ones in yellow!

 

[EdwinWillers]

The nations in RED do not condemn Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine.

The nations in GREEN do

 

[MaryP]

What is India's problem...they've been reluctant on this issue.

They buy all their military equipment from Russia, who also repairs it and maintains it.

 

[phoenix2020]

What is India's problem...they've been reluctant on this issue.

A few issues that are compounding:

• Russia is a strong military partner to India and more importantly, a reliable one. One must keep in mind that India faces aggressor nations in Pakistan (funded by US) and China (global military power whose wealth comes from US economic ties favorable to them). In other words, while India is the world's most populous democracy, the United States has instead frequently chosen to align with Pakistan (dictatorship; Islamist state; lead proliferator of terrorism and nuclear weapons tech) and with China (communist totalitarian state) instead of India. Why this is has always baffled me, but that is the history we are starting with.
• India has close relationships with Ukraine and Russia both, with tens of thousands of its citizens in both nations. A neutral stance preserves its options to protect the security of its citizens abroad.
• The US cannot make up its mind about whether it wants to have strong relationships with India. Relationships were improving under Bush #1's short tenure. They immediately became frosty when Clinton entered office, and became downright hostile in the aftermath of the 1998 nuclear tests and sanctions and unsuccessful strong-arming by Clinton. They warmed again with Bush #2, with several significant partnership agreements... all of which were left to wither under Obama. Trump's term marked another period of warming with significantly increased sales of military hardware to India. Now we have Biden and his state department is "accidentally" sending cables suggesting that we isolate India. That entire time, The USSR / Russia have been a reliable, consistent military and economic partner. Put yourself in India's shoes and ask yourself what you'd do.

You'd probably abstain from taking any sides, and issue statements that you're hoping for peace.

 

[lwf]

A few issues that are compounding:

• Russia is a strong military partner to India and more importantly, a reliable one. One must keep in mind that India faces aggressor nations in Pakistan (funded by US) and China (global military power whose wealth comes from US economic ties favorable to them). In other words, while India is the world's most populous democracy, the United States has instead frequently chosen to align with Pakistan (dictatorship; Islamist state; lead proliferator of terrorism and nuclear weapons tech) and with China (communist totalitarian state) instead of India.
• India has close relationships with Ukraine and Russia both, with tens of thousands of its citizens in both nations. A neutral stance preserves its options to protect the security of its citizens abroad.
• The US cannot make up its mind about whether it wants to have strong relationships with India. Relationships were improving under Bush #1's short tenure. They immediately became frosty when Clinton entered office, and became downright hostile in the aftermath of the 1998 nuclear tests and sanctions and unsuccessful strong-arming by Clinton. They warmed again with Bush #2, with several significant partnership agreements... all of which were left to wither under Obama. Trump's term marked another period of warming with significantly increased sales of military hardware to India. Now we have Biden and his state department is "accidentally" sending cables suggesting that we isolate India. That entire time, The USSR / Russia have been a reliable, consistent military and economic partner. Put yourself in India's shoes and ask yourself what you'd do.

You'd probably abstain from taking any sides, and issue statements that you're hoping for peace.

What about South Africa? That one surprises me.

 

[maxparrish]

A few issues that are compounding:

• Russia is a strong military partner to India and more importantly, a reliable one. One must keep in mind that India faces aggressor nations in Pakistan (funded by US) and China (global military power whose wealth comes from US economic ties favorable to them). In other words, while India is the world's most populous democracy, the United States has instead frequently chosen to align with Pakistan (dictatorship; Islamist state; lead proliferator of terrorism and nuclear weapons tech) and with China (communist totalitarian state) instead of India. Why this is has always baffled me, but that is the history we are starting with.
• India has close relationships with Ukraine and Russia both, with tens of thousands of its citizens in both nations. A neutral stance preserves its options to protect the security of its citizens abroad.
• The US cannot make up its mind about whether it wants to have strong relationships with India. Relationships were improving under Bush #1's short tenure. They immediately became frosty when Clinton entered office, and became downright hostile in the aftermath of the 1998 nuclear tests and sanctions and unsuccessful strong-arming by Clinton. They warmed again with Bush #2, with several significant partnership agreements... all of which were left to wither under Obama. Trump's term marked another period of warming with significantly increased sales of military hardware to India. Now we have Biden and his state department is "accidentally" sending cables suggesting that we isolate India. That entire time, The USSR / Russia have been a reliable, consistent military and economic partner. Put yourself in India's shoes and ask yourself what you'd do.

You'd probably abstain from taking any sides, and issue statements that you're hoping for peace.

"Now we have Biden and his state department is "accidentally" sending cables suggesting that we isolate India."

Obviously I have not been keeping up with Indian relations. Several years ago when Modi appeared I thought the relations would rapidly heal. India, once a country buried in Fabian socialism was a natural Communist client...but I didn't realize we still have weaned them from Russia.

Thanks.

 

[maxparrish]

What about South Africa? That one surprises me.

Probably a legacy from South African politics, the influence of socialism in the ranks of black liberationism.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Obviously I have not been keeping up with Indian relations. Several years ago when Modi appeared I thought the relations would rapidly heal.

The government of Narendra Modi is a quasi-dictatorship that looks the other way as Hindu's violently repress its Muslim popiulation.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Neither do the ones in yellow!

Nor do they support the Ukraine invasion.

For various reasons, some countries can't afford to antagonize Moscow.

I'm really surprised that Russia ally Serbia condemned the invasion.

 

[joluoto]

What is India's problem...they've been reluctant on this issue.

Russia is their largest arms provider.

 

[joluoto]

Nor do they support the Ukraine invasion.

For various reasons, some countries can't afford to antagonize Moscow.

I'm really surprised that Russia ally Serbia condemned the invasion.

The current Serbian government is more Pro Western, with EU membership aspirations. Of course there are red lines, there's talk in Serbia that when Ukraine's territorial integrity the World gets upset, but when Serbia's territorial integrity was destroyed the World cheered. The government in Belgrade is between a rock and a hard place, they want to approach west but can't completely abandon Moscow, and must stay vigilant when it comes to issues like Kosovo and Republika Srpska, where they easily could lose all their support in a heartbeat of they don't beat the nationalist drum.

 

[Rogue Valley]

The current Serbian government is more Pro Western, with EU membership aspirations. Of course there are red lines, there's talk in Serbia that when Ukraine's territorial integrity the World gets upset, but when Serbia's territorial integrity was destroyed the World cheered. The government in Belgrade is between a rock and a hard place, they want to approach west but can't completely abandon Moscow, and must stay vigilant when it comes to issues like Kosovo and Republika Srpska, where they easily could lose all their support in a heartbeat of they don't beat the nationalist drum.

Thanks for that info.

There is only a very small Serbia compartment in my brain lol.