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I'm not sure we're - we and Europe -doing enough to help Ukraine

Craig234

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"...we believe Moscow has developed plans to inflict widespread human rights abuses – and potentially worse – on the Ukrainian people." - Secretary of State Blinkin

Do we want a world filled with more war where murder is rewarded? Maybe we should save the costs of police and jails by not arresting murderers anymore, just provide some 'aid' to victims by sending out some guns to people to protect themselves, and when murders greatly increase, say we wish the innocent well.

I'm not suggesting the US go to war in Ukraine, because of the nuclear danger primarily. But we can't allow everyone with nuclear weapons to decide to demand to rule the world, or else, either.

It's one thing to threaten to conquer Russia that could trigger nuclear defense, and another to take effective measures to thwart Russia wrongfully committing war on Ukraine.

What we're doing is good as far as it goes, with some military aid, diplomatic support and sanctions on Russia. But I'm not sure it's as much as we should do. I could lay out some random ideas for more, but those specifics aren't the point.

We need better ways of dealing with these threats. If we let Ukraine be conquered, it's like the police chief saying 'we regret the gang murders but have decided it's better to allow them'. What happens from that?

One minute we're exaggerating foreign threats to justify our own actions; and learning a lesson that's wrong; but the next we're faced with real threats, and mistakenly not doing enough.

If one citizen is threatened by an armed criminal, we go to great lengths to protect them, understanding the need to deter such acts. This is no different, but on a far larger scale.

OK, maybe we should give those few random examples. Arming Ukraine with drones to use in their territory - and Russia. Information warfare launched inside Russia to build opposition to Putin. Arming dissident groups in Russia. Attempting to bar travel and trade with Russia somewhat like our misguided Cuba embargo, but with broader participation. And removing Russia from the Security council, at least until regime change.
 
thumbs up on those thoughts ........
 
"...we believe Moscow has developed plans to inflict widespread human rights abuses – and potentially worse – on the Ukrainian people." - Secretary of State Blinkin

Do we want a world filled with more war where murder is rewarded? Maybe we should save the costs of police and jails by not arresting murderers anymore, just provide some 'aid' to victims by sending out some guns to people to protect themselves, and when murders greatly increase, say we wish the innocent well.

I'm not suggesting the US go to war in Ukraine, because of the nuclear danger primarily. But we can't allow everyone with nuclear weapons to decide to demand to rule the world, or else, either.

It's one thing to threaten to conquer Russia that could trigger nuclear defense, and another to take effective measures to thwart Russia wrongfully committing war on Ukraine.

What we're doing is good as far as it goes, with some military aid, diplomatic support and sanctions on Russia. But I'm not sure it's as much as we should do. I could lay out some random ideas for more, but those specifics aren't the point.

We need better ways of dealing with these threats. If we let Ukraine be conquered, it's like the police chief saying 'we regret the gang murders but have decided it's better to allow them'. What happens from that?

One minute we're exaggerating foreign threats to justify our own actions; and learning a lesson that's wrong; but the next we're faced with real threats, and mistakenly not doing enough.

If one citizen is threatened by an armed criminal, we go to great lengths to protect them, understanding the need to deter such acts. This is no different, but on a far larger scale.

OK, maybe we should give those few random examples. Arming Ukraine with drones to use in their territory - and Russia. Information warfare launched inside Russia to build opposition to Putin. Arming dissident groups in Russia. Attempting to bar travel and trade with Russia somewhat like our misguided Cuba embargo, but with broader participation. And removing Russia from the Security council, at least until regime change.

How are we supposed to get military into Ukraine now that it has been invaded? How do we avoid it getting captured by Russian forces?
 
Looks liked Ukraine waited a little too long to join NATO. Too bad, they could've been protected.
 
Nothing you can do old chap .

Mr P has taken over every entry point and most military bases have laid down their arms without a fight
Could turn out to be a brilliant fast blitz .

Then people will start to laugh , sneer and ridicule at the US dodderer even more.
Kicked out of two countries within months .
Another world record ?
Could be great times ahead for Ukraine with America and Soros kicked out , some of the more evil money launderers dealt with plus a promise and deeds for a good future .

Having a dopey ex comic President on nodding terms with the Biden Crime Families Oligarch buddies always spelt disaster .
 
We should replace fossil fuels faster than Russia can. Total moonshot situation. That will do tons more than wars or even sanctions. Imagine if we had gotten a lot more serious about doing that two decades ago.
 
Bit like Germany and their failed Green policy ?

Or , more like Mr Dementia and his absurd and failed Oil policy ?:

Or more like the UK with huge coal reserves just lying buried ?


A bit of decent research showing the Covid flying virus hates coal fumes and we would be in clover !!
 
It's a new Cold War. Russia has to suffer. Putin's rule has to be undermined. These things take time, but it's the only choice we've got.

In the meantime, it is important that we protect the democratic institutions in our own country. And that means opposing the Republucan Party. Putin loves the Republicans and their divisiveness and their attacks on democracy. That is where our most urgent fight is now.
 
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