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I'm getting pushed and I am tired of it...how about you?

Do you feel like your party is pushing you away?

  • Yes

    Votes: 9 42.9%
  • No

    Votes: 7 33.3%
  • Other, let me explain

    Votes: 3 14.3%
  • Lerxst this thread is dumb

    Votes: 2 9.5%

  • Total voters
    21
We can't really put our faith in political parties. We have to find strong PEOPLE who know the difference between right and wrong. The same people have been in Congress far too long, and they all need to get out, and let new people in. But as long as people live and breathe their chosen party, there will always be corruption. The media needs to not worry about parties, and always be honest about everyone. Unfortunatly this nation has lost its moral compass. Want things back? Hold the media accountable, and do your homework on all the candidates, and don't elect anyone who is or has friends who are sociopaths.
 
I feel both parties are pushing me away. The Democrats are going bat**** insane and trying to ram as much damaging ideologically driven legislation down our throats against the people's will while they still have unchecked power in all branches of the federal government.

On the flip side, the Republicans are shrinking away because they're scared of how the media will portray them. They aren't standing up for their principals and seem to be mouth pieces for empty rhetoric. They are constantly on the defensive against the media and Democrats lies of "racism" and "loving rich people." They don't need to take that crap from the Dems and the media. They need to be on the offensive and pushing their ideas instead of letting the media and Democrats brand them as the party of "no."
 
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Lerxst, I really do wish more people would be like you and wake up to the reality that neither party is representing them anymore. People are too busy playing partisan politics to really see that they are getting the rug swept out from under them.

I don't really get your support for the GOP in the senate. The GOP's moderate and fiscal conservatives have been dwindling rapidly in recent years, only to be replaced by neo-cons who are big spenders and who will sell America to the highest bidder. They are big on corporate welfare. Anyway, we don't need to dig up the specifics so much, but I think you know what I mean.

America has lost its way.

Not sure what a "Neo-Con" is frankly, but speaking from someone very conservative, I say poppy-****! Conservatives love their country, and it's not for sale, ever. Spending is frugal, corporate welfare, and subsidies are frowned upon. Seems to me you have Neo-Con mixed up with progressive?


Tim-
 
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Not sure what a "Neo-Con" is frankly, but speaking from someone very conservative, I say poppy-****! Conservatives love their country, and it's not for sale, ever. Spending is frugal, corporate welfare, and subsidies are frowned upon. Seems to me you have Neo-Con mixed up with progressive?


Tim-

Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia said:
Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, and which supports using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries.[1][2][3] Consequently the term is chiefly applicable to certain Americans and their strong supporters. In economics, unlike paleoconservatives and libertarians, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a welfare state; and, while rhetorically supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes.

They tend to be socially conservative but more fiscally liberal when compared to classical conservatives. In foreign policy, they tend to be hawkish and supportive of military interventionism.
 
Back to what?

Back to before all the wasted billions of dollars... But I guess we can't fix it back, after thinking about it. America needs to make its own stuff, too. It's in too much of a mess, so we need to get some decent people, quick.
 
Back to before all the wasted billions of dollars... But I guess we can't fix it back, after thinking about it. America needs to make its own stuff, too. It's in too much of a mess, so we need to get some decent people, quick.

You said, "Unfortunately, this nation has lost its moral compass. Want things back?"

I fail to see how "wasting billions of dollars" equates to "losing our moral compass".

In either case, the question remains: what point in America's history would you like to go "back" to? Specifically what year, or which decade (if that's easier)?
 
Third parties won't work, what we need to do both the democrats and the republicans is to regain control of our own party from the current twenty percent lunatics who currently run it.

Unfortunately, that won't happen. Both the left and the right don't have to worry about 80% of their party, they already have those votes in the bag unless they do something absurdly stupid. The only people they have to appeal to are the wing-nuts, which is why they both spend so much time chasing after the extreme fringes. If the majority of both parties said enough is enough and abandoned the party, that would change, but where do those majorities go? There simply isn't a party out there worth voting for, period.
 
Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They tend to be socially conservative but more fiscally liberal when compared to classical conservatives. In foreign policy, they tend to be hawkish and supportive of military interventionism.

I don't know that I can agree necessarily. They're not socially conservative, they're socially extreme-right-wing. Conservative used to mean that you stayed the hell out of people's lives and believed in personal responsibility, that's not what the neo-cons are doing. They are every bit as controlling and micro-managing as the Liberals, perhaps even more so and of course, they spend money like a drunken sailor. In reality, we don't have a conservative party in this country, we have two liberal parties with different names.
 
You said, "Unfortunately, this nation has lost its moral compass. Want things back?"

I fail to see how "wasting billions of dollars" equates to "losing our moral compass".

In either case, the question remains: what point in America's history would you like to go "back" to? Specifically what year, or which decade (if that's easier)?

That's my fault, really. At night I'm tired and my thoughts just run together and if I'm posting they end up jumbled, and I see it the next morning and go, why do I post at night?

But as for your question, hmm. I have been told that society used to be more respectful in general than they are now, and integrity used to mean something. And I know that television shows and movies used to be better (as in, more morals and cleaner, way less vulgarity) so I guess whenever that was. Now there are words I hear that I can just tell are supposed to be censored. But this topic isn't about that, but we should be electing strong people who will stand up for EVERYONE's freedom, and safety.
 
Lerxts - I read your thread content here, and it's even more frustrating for me to read I'm afraid.

Because you seem not to be learning the lesson life has just thrown at you, in that your immediate reaction is to pick another team under the guise of 'conservative republicans' whatever they are.

Right wing left wing radical, labour tory, domocrat, green, communist socialist pidgeon pidgeon pidgeon it's aall bollocks.

There's only one club my friend. And you experiences have tried to teach you, but you don't seem to be allowing it in. It's not too late for you.

"I"m desperate for representation and I don't know where to find it. "

You won't. So don't waste anymore of your precious life on anyone else. Find representation in yourself. Find your self-hood don't give in, be strong be sovereign. There's only one team and no matter who you think you're backing you're voting for it. Don't listen to any of the misled political propoganda sponges and strategic communications operatives on here, listen to yourself.

If you watch the entirity of the following, you'll earn a great deal of respect from me personally, and it might, just might, help you see what your last election was all about.

2012 - The Future of Mankind

I trully hope so. If you do, and anytime you wanna discuss anything, reach out and If i can help you I will.




Edit - Find yourself. People cling onto these political parties and they don't even know what makes their own minds tick, never mind the ideals of a whole other doze of occult middle-ground. How'm I gonna follow around some group of people who's allegiences I havn't got a clue on, and when all I know is what the policy manifesto says (You know about that now after listening to the manifestos pledged at the last US election by Obama, but no other election is any different), when worst of all, I don't know myself. It leads to intellectual ruin.
 
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That's my fault, really. At night I'm tired and my thoughts just run together and if I'm posting they end up jumbled, and I see it the next morning and go, why do I post at night?

But as for your question, hmm. I have been told that society used to be more respectful in general than they are now, and integrity used to mean something. And I know that television shows and movies used to be better (as in, more morals and cleaner, way less vulgarity) so I guess whenever that was. Now there are words I hear that I can just tell are supposed to be censored. But this topic isn't about that, but we should be electing strong people who will stand up for EVERYONE's freedom, and safety.

Well, until the 1960s, many US citizens- the majority of them, actually- did not have equal civil rights protections under the law.
Instead, there were Jim Crow Laws and systematic patriarchy.
I certainly don't consider those things to be any improvement over what we have today. :confused:

In the 70s and 80s, people were wild. Far and away more "vulgar" and "immoral" than they are today. I was there (although barely). I remember.
Believe it or not, we've been experiencing a 1950s renaissance for the past decade or so.
And the 1990s.... well. You probably remember them, at least vaguely.
Things were certainly no "cleaner" or more moral or less vulgar than they are today.
Seriously, the decade we're living in now has been the most repressed, most conservative decade I've ever lived through. And I'm 35.

Before I was born, well: neither women nor minorities nor the handicapped had equal rights and protections under the law.
That's not something anyone sane would wish to go back to.
 
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The one subject i dont understand Obama voters complaining about is Afganistan he made it very clear his plans.He said over and over again it had been forgetten about and it was where the fight is.
 
The one subject i dont understand Obama voters complaining about is Afganistan he made it very clear his plans.He said over and over again it had been forgetten about and it was where the fight is.

Yes, he did make these promises during his campaign.
I guess some of his supporters, such as me, chose not to take him at his word.
I hoped he was lying just to get elected, and would end all wars and withdraw from the middle east once he was president.
That was very naive, I admit.
 
I know I'm not being incredibly specific and I don't intend to. I"m pissed off and I'm finding that I don't have a party that actually stands for what is important to me. It's not even a case of being able to say "I'm Dem or Rep" because one side or the other addresses issues important to me.

I"m desperate for representation and I don't know where to find it.

All I can say is I feel your pain.:mrgreen:

I realized about 10 years ago that both of our major parties are leading us down the same path toward serfdom, and that the primary difference is that one is trying to rush us, while the other merely wants to go at a slow steady pace, but the end goal is fairly similar. Sadly, we have prospered beyond what our good sense can keep up with, and for this, we have lost any basis in reality of life, what it means, and what it requires of us. Our political and religious ideological basis has convinced us that we can achieve what no other nation has ever achieved, and that is that everyone has a birthright to have all his basic needs met without any input whatsoever from himself. The ideals that most Americans cherish so fiercely are high-minded and meant to be truly altruistic, but we must, at some point, face the fact that resources are limited, as are the means to keep churning out more productivity with fewer producers. Our government representatives desire re-election and their seats of power over anything else. They don't care about being honest and bringing some semblance of honor and truth to our nation's capitol. We have become a decadent, lazy society, readily willing to take the fruits of the labor of others, and we are all equally responsible for our decline because we do not demand that we live within our means, and take responsibility for our own lives.
Ultimately, this means we will probably keep putting off the inevitable for as long as we possibly can, to the detriment of those who follow behind us in the hands of time. I can't change it. I can only do my own part to be responsible for myself, and hope that others eventually take an honest look at their own part in what is happening to this once great land of opportunity with its spirit of individualism and emphasis on freedom to live according to one's greatest dreams, unhindered by social guilt.
I realize you probably don't agree with me on much of my take on things, but since you asked.........;)
 
That would merely be a short-term solution. The near-Utopian discussion of desired 3rd party status often leaves out the reality that an entrenched party becomes a familiar problem, as existed in a two-party solution, while conveniently ignoring the further splinter effect caused by dramatic 3 party successes.

Sometimes short-term solutions are needed to be able to make long-term solutions.
 
Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



They tend to be socially conservative but more fiscally liberal when compared to classical conservatives. In foreign policy, they tend to be hawkish and supportive of military interventionism.

Well, there is a difference between neoconservatives who are identified as neoconservatives because of foreign policy positions versus those who are labeled neoconservative because of social public policy positions (mostly because the latter had disagreements about the former). Second of all, I disagree with your intention to strictly remove moderate conservatives from the neoconservative label, when in fact, many neoconservatives are moderate conservatives if not centrists (identifying either slightly more with the Democratic Party or the Republican Party).
 
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Sometimes short-term solutions are needed to be able to make long-term solutions.

Except there is little intention to think through the problems associated with a serious 3 party (or more) system.
 
I will admit I was excited about Obama becoming President and the idea that the democrats would tend to issues I felt were most important to me at the time (the war mainly, healthcare, increased funding to public safety agencies at home).

I was wrong. I was so wrong it has embarrassed me to no end. I share in the blame for what is happening to our nation...I was part of the problem.

The Obama administration and Congress (both sides of the aisle) have been such a dismal failure in my opinion that I am bewildered. But to the extent that I can logically figure, the only hope for any semblance of movement from the radical (yes I have some liberal leanings, but come on...we have to reasonable) left wing liberal extreme we seem to be headed is that the conservative Republicans must regain control of the House and the Senate. In my mind this needs to happen.

The funny thing was that at the time people were going kookoo for Obama. Left and right, and I saw a lot of those Obamaites, I knew a bunch of them. They didn't understand why I was so disappointed with the choice of Obama or McCain; I told them peas in a pod and they just about **** themselves. All these people who were jumping up and down like idiots over the prospects of Obama, I kept saying he's a politician, he's a standard Chicago politician and you ain't gonna like what you're gonna get. They wouldn't hear it, I was wrong. Obama knows, Obama understands, he's not like Bush blah blah blah. HA! Some of those people (they're buddies of mine) won't talk politics with me anymore cause they're so pissed off that I was right about Obama.

But it's standard for any party, be it GOP or DNC or LP or GP to eventually grow in directions people may not like. And that's particularly true for the Republocrats since that is the single party in charge. The problem is that in order to influence the parties you have to threaten their power security. Right now, D and R just teeter-totter back who is in charge. The D doesn't have to worry about it too much if they lose power, because the R is just as bad as the D and the D will swing back into power eventually. We allowed ourselves to think that third parties are useless so we can't use them to apply the proper external pressure either. But I still say it's worth while because the alternative is either support the status quo you hate or don't vote, neither of which is an acceptable solution. I was once hardcore GOP. Loved it. But they left traditional conservatism behind, so I left them behind and found the party which best fit my political ideology, which happens to currently be the libertarian party.
 
Well, until the 1960s, many US citizens- the majority of them, actually- did not have equal civil rights protections under the law.
Instead, there were Jim Crow Laws and systematic patriarchy.
I certainly don't consider those things to be any improvement over what we have today. :confused:

In the 70s and 80s, people were wild. Far and away more "vulgar" and "immoral" than they are today. I was there (although barely). I remember.
Believe it or not, we've been experiencing a 1950s renaissance for the past decade or so.
And the 1990s.... well. You probably remember them, at least vaguely.
Things were certainly no "cleaner" or more moral or less vulgar than they are today.
Seriously, the decade we're living in now has been the most repressed, most conservative decade I've ever lived through. And I'm 35.

Before I was born, well: neither women nor minorities nor the handicapped had equal rights and protections under the law.
That's not something anyone sane would wish to go back to.

I know things have always been bad, and as a Christian, I know things will keep degrading worse and worse until the Second Coming, but I miss when television shows had clear moral messages. Now adays, everybody acts completely crazy on television. I don't see anymore conviction, but the complete opposite, loss of self control. You know, there was a thread on old dark fairy taies, and I read some of them. They were darker than their counterparts, but they also had lessons about wise choices and being kind no matter how someone was treating you, do not seek revenge, etc., and if the charecters didn't heed the advice, something horrible happened, I think that was the point. Everything is dumbed down at least compared to that.

It's not that I want everyone to act how I tell them, although it looks that way, I just genuinely enjoy hearing and learning about goodness and wisdom and all those virtues, like integrity, good charecter, patience, etc and I really dislike sin (not people) not because anyone has told me to, but I remember always being that way, and I agreed with what I heard from the Bible. I know I sin and I can't stop, that's how I know it's a natural thing and there is only one way to stop it. I do enjoy this decade and time, I guess I'm just homesick for heaven. Jesus said the Body of Christ is in the world, not of it, and we've been called out of it and our citizenship is in heaven.

And, yes it's night time again, but I have busy days. ^^ And sorry for the off-topic stuff, guys!
 
What makes you think a strong third party wont run into the exact same problems?

Honestly, I'd rather there be a two-party system rather than a single strong party. With a two party system, you at least avoid the strangling control that one party has.

How about everyone run independent? Like George Mason wanted.
 
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