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I'm a teacher. I carry a gun to school everyday.

More like something of an accident waiting to happen.

If going to work scares you so much you need a weapon, and you work with children, find another job.

You are not necessary, you do not need to be there, they have no choice. Some asshole figures out they just have to wait til your not paying attention and boom they have your gun and mowed down half the school.

Just the level of ignorance it takes to think anyone would applaud your idiotic decision.

I would pull my kid out of your school. And I think you should inform every student's parent in your school of your very irresponsible decision to risk their childrens lives, because of cowardice.

How would you handle this scenario? One of your students decides he wants to shoot up the school, his family doesn't own guns, but luckily he remembers you carry one to school everyday. He devises a simple plan to separate you from your gun. Now your hick logic doesn't account for that possibility because you have so much faith in your abilities, but this kid basically says look over there and takes your gun when you don't suspect it. Shoots you in the face, and then the rest of the students in the class.

Putting the instrument by which they would do the deed, in the classroom with them is the height, height, of stupidity.

"well thoughtex. your just an anti gun libtard der der derr" No I'm ****ing not, I'm just not as dumb as a bag of ****ing hammers. And as a parent who has actually lost a child, I will tell you this, if a kid ever gets your gun and shoots another kid. Or you are forced to defend yourself against a child and shoot them. Be looking for that parent to find you when you least expect it, and have your gun ready.

Do you support gun control?
 
More like something of an accident waiting to happen.

If going to work scares you so much you need a weapon, and you work with children, find another job.

You are not necessary, you do not need to be there, they have no choice. Some asshole figures out they just have to wait til your not paying attention and boom they have your gun and mowed down half the school.

Just the level of ignorance it takes to think anyone would applaud your idiotic decision.

I would pull my kid out of your school. And I think you should inform every student's parent in your school of your very irresponsible decision to risk their childrens lives, because of cowardice.

How would you handle this scenario? One of your students decides he wants to shoot up the school, his family doesn't own guns, but luckily he remembers you carry one to school everyday. He devises a simple plan to separate you from your gun. Now your hick logic doesn't account for that possibility because you have so much faith in your abilities, but this kid basically says look over there and takes your gun when you don't suspect it. Shoots you in the face, and then the rest of the students in the class.

Putting the instrument by which they would do the deed, in the classroom with them is the height, height, of stupidity.

"well thoughtex. your just an anti gun libtard der der derr" No I'm ****ing not, I'm just not as dumb as a bag of ****ing hammers. And as a parent who has actually lost a child, I will tell you this, if a kid ever gets your gun and shoots another kid. Or you are forced to defend yourself against a child and shoot them. Be looking for that parent to find you when you least expect it, and have your gun ready.

The school board voted on it. The Superintendent was tasked with carrying out this directive. The building principle on the campus chose myself, among others. There are many of us. We all took the training. We passed the test. We are all now licensed by the state to be Commissioned School Security Officers.

The community was informed. The matter was debated by the community. There is near unanimity among the community my school system serves. Signs were posted. This is a red state.

What more do you want?
 
Yes.

Your society has a very dark side of lack of social support and inclusion of anybody who does not conform. This leads to many problems of alienation and frustration. That coupled with an insane level of availibility of fire arms and madly poor level of respect for safety around fire arms leads to your massive problems with school shootings.

Do you lock your doors?
 
:lamo

Dood...your bias beats your own ass every time you start typing.

Like you said...I'm not saying YOU are dumb as a ****ing bag of hammers...but your words sure are.

Hurr... Durr... You really showed me...

I are clever, I avoid calling you stupid and only call your argument stupid, but everyone knows what I'm saying

Hurr... Durr...
 
Hurr... Durr... You really showed me...

I are clever, I avoid calling you stupid and only call your argument stupid, but everyone knows what I'm saying

Hurr... Durr...
You know whats REALLY sad? You think anything you have posted sounds different from what you just posted.
 
I presume you carry concealed. If you keep it concealed, then no one knows you have it except those you tell, and those who can spot it. I presume you carry properly stowed on your body with a fastener to prevent it from falling out, I'm OK with it. Since I don't expect to "quick draw" without warning like a cop might, then there is also no need for one in the chamber.

I am against "open carry" because it makes some people nervous, and I respect that.

So that's my .45 cents.

You are very astute.
 
The school board voted on it. The Superintendent was tasked with carrying out this directive. The building principle on the campus chose myself, among others. There are many of us. We all took the training. We passed the test. We are all now licensed by the state to be Commissioned School Security Officers.

The community was informed. The matter was debated by the community. There is near unanimity among the community my school system serves. Signs were posted. This is a red state.

What more do you want?

Hmm... How about schools without armed teachers who think a short training course prepares them for diddly ****ing squat.

Nothing about what you just said, reassures me. At all in the slightest. You basically just said, a bunch of incompetent people decided this was a good idea. That's it. That's your justification.

**** that...

I'm glad I moved to ****ing Canada. So ****ing glad...
 
You know whats REALLY sad? You think anything you have posted sounds different from what you just posted.

I know it sounds the same, I meant for it too. I'm mocking you right now. That's why it sounds the same. I was mocking you before, and am doing so now.

Good job picking up on that...
 
Given that firearm ownership is a protected individual right in the US, the number of guns isn't going down anytime soon. When a shooter shows up at a school, any laws put in place to prevent such are not going to help. Armed resistance can. Immediate armed resistance is better than delayed armed resistance.

And the school shooting problem is overstated. More children die going to and from school than are murdered at school by someone with a gun.

https://safehavensinternational.org...elative_Risks_of_Death_in_US_K-12_Schools.pdf

That is not a boast.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/toddlers-killed-americans-terrorists/
Toddlers Killed More Americans than Terrorists
 
I'm something of a rarity. I'm a middle school Library Media Specialist. I carry a gun to school everyday. Wanna' discuss this issue?
I guess ;)

I don't see how this genuinely improves anyone's security. Let's start with the mundane: Are you worried that you will get mugged or carjacked while on your way to school? I'm going to assume that the odds of that happening are quite low. I'd further say that the evidence shows that firearms rarely stop crimes (e.g. http://vpc.org/studies/justifiable15.pdf).

I can see how rural residents might find firearms more useful, as police response times in those areas are surely much lower. At the same time, crime rates are also generally much lower in rural areas, meaning there is less need. In fact, death from accidents is a much bigger issue in rural areas than crime, and owning a firearm obviously increases the chance of a major accident. Similarly, simply bringing a gun into the school obviously risks a gun-related accident -- and yes, those kinds of accidents definitely happen in schools where staff can carry firearms. On the whole, it's probably not worth it.


Moving on to the less mundane -- i.e. extremely rare -- school shooting scenario, a firearm seems like, well, the kind of macho thing that will cause more problems than it solves. To start with, chances are you'd have to pull the trigger on a student you know, while other students might be running around and into the line of fire. While being a badass may seem easy in your imagination, I suspect it's going to be incredibly difficult in the moment. In which case, you are making yourself a big target.

Even without that particular quirk, it is very very rare for an armed civilian to stop a mass shooting in progress; in most of those cases, the civilian is actually an off-duty or retired police office.

I suspect that much of the reason, as already hinted in this thread, is due to training. At the risk of stereotyping ;) most librarians I know have not had extensive training in live fire situations. Schools and states, as far as I know, don't have a solid training program either. (Even if you did have training, a) you'd need to constantly refresh your skills and b) training is not the same thing as actual experience.) It certainly isn't part of the Library Science curriculum....

This is why the expert advice for mass shootings is "Run, Hide, Fight." What you should be doing is either getting the students to flee the school, or helping them hide. (Obviously, if your school has a policy, Taking on the attacker should be your last resort, and having a gun in your hand may tempt you to think "Fight, Fight, Fight."

Another consideration is that you can get yourself into trouble. On the mundane side: Obviously, if school policy doesn't allow you to have a concealed firearm, that's a big issue. If for any reason you put your firearm down, that can cause an accident. Or, in what is admittedly a rare circumstance, you might be tempted to brandish your firearm in a situation that doesn't require it (e.g. a confrontation with a student).

And if there is a shooting -- again, that is extremely rare, and not happening at higher rates than in the past -- when the police eventually arrive, they aren't necessarily going to know that you are a Good Guy With A Gun. To put it mildly, this will complicate things during and after the shooting episode.


Overall, I don't think it enhances anyone's safety. I'd pass.
 
I know it sounds the same, I meant for it too. I'm mocking you right now. That's why it sounds the same. I was mocking you before, and am doing so now.

Good job picking up on that...
No...actually you are just clowning yourself. You thinking making yourself look "as stupid as a ****ing bag of hammers" is mocking someone else?
 
Hmm... How about schools without armed teachers who think a short training course prepares them for diddly ****ing squat.

Nothing about what you just said, reassures me. At all in the slightest. You basically just said, a bunch of incompetent people decided this was a good idea. That's it. That's your justification.

**** that...

I'm glad I moved to ****ing Canada. So ****ing glad...

The thought of a firearm in the hands of a trained person frightens you so....

Amazing.

"Back in the day" firearms were often hung over fireplace mantles or stored in unlocked gun racks... And I do not recall school shootings and mass murders...

A time where I could buy real military grade weapons over the counter with no waiting period.

I am a little to young to remember mail order military and police weapons.

Perhaps it isn't the gun that is the problem.
 
I've been trained to state standards by an accredited securities firm. I've also passed the written and firearms handling requirements of my state license.

So you carry a gun, unsure what type of discussion you are expecting. As long as you are abiding by your States gun laws why should we care ?
 
No...actually you are just clowning yourself. You thinking making yourself look "as stupid as a ****ing bag of hammers" is mocking someone else?

So far, only thing you've said in this thread is, they wouldn't know if the weapon was concealed. That's it. If you feel making that claim, it's not even a fact you can demonstrably prove, is sufficient enough to counter the scenarios as I described them. Then I was giving you to much credit by saying a whole bag of hammers...
 
I'm something of a rarity. I'm a middle school Library Media Specialist. I carry a gun to school everyday. Wanna' discuss this issue?

I sincerely hope you never have to use it.
 
The thought of a firearm in the hands of a trained person frightens you so....

Amazing.

"Back in the day" firearms were often hung over fireplace mantles or stored in unlocked gun racks... And I do not recall school shootings and mass murders...

A time where I could buy real military grade weapons over the counter with no waiting period.

I am a little to young to remember mail order military and police weapons.

Perhaps it isn't the gun that is the problem.

The thought that you think a few months of training means **** and you're willing to bet childrens lives on it, is what scares me...

Ok, so the most effective tactic to defeating my argument is by coloring me as a blanket enemy. Someone who is anti gun, afraid of guns. So forth and so on.

When in fact, I'm an avid hunter, who owns many fire arms.

I have four rams on my wall, and a grizzly mounted. As well as Elk, Moose, Deer, and Buffalo.

I haven't had beef in over 5 years, because I keep my freezer full of Elk and Moose.

I do that with a gun.

I'm not anti gun.

I'm anti stupid.
 
I guess ;)

I don't see how this genuinely improves anyone's security. Let's start with the mundane: Are you worried that you will get mugged or carjacked while on your way to school? I'm going to assume that the odds of that happening are quite low. I'd further say that the evidence shows that firearms rarely stop crimes (e.g. http://vpc.org/studies/justifiable15.pdf).

I can see how rural residents might find firearms more useful, as police response times in those areas are surely much lower. At the same time, crime rates are also generally much lower in rural areas, meaning there is less need. In fact, death from accidents is a much bigger issue in rural areas than crime, and owning a firearm obviously increases the chance of a major accident. Similarly, simply bringing a gun into the school obviously risks a gun-related accident -- and yes, those kinds of accidents definitely happen in schools where staff can carry firearms. On the whole, it's probably not worth it.


Moving on to the less mundane -- i.e. extremely rare -- school shooting scenario, a firearm seems like, well, the kind of macho thing that will cause more problems than it solves. To start with, chances are you'd have to pull the trigger on a student you know, while other students might be running around and into the line of fire. While being a badass may seem easy in your imagination, I suspect it's going to be incredibly difficult in the moment. In which case, you are making yourself a big target.

Even without that particular quirk, it is very very rare for an armed civilian to stop a mass shooting in progress; in most of those cases, the civilian is actually an off-duty or retired police office.

I suspect that much of the reason, as already hinted in this thread, is due to training. At the risk of stereotyping ;) most librarians I know have not had extensive training in live fire situations. Schools and states, as far as I know, don't have a solid training program either. (Even if you did have training, a) you'd need to constantly refresh your skills and b) training is not the same thing as actual experience.) It certainly isn't part of the Library Science curriculum....

This is why the expert advice for mass shootings is "Run, Hide, Fight." What you should be doing is either getting the students to flee the school, or helping them hide. (Obviously, if your school has a policy, Taking on the attacker should be your last resort, and having a gun in your hand may tempt you to think "Fight, Fight, Fight."

Another consideration is that you can get yourself into trouble. On the mundane side: Obviously, if school policy doesn't allow you to have a concealed firearm, that's a big issue. If for any reason you put your firearm down, that can cause an accident. Or, in what is admittedly a rare circumstance, you might be tempted to brandish your firearm in a situation that doesn't require it (e.g. a confrontation with a student).

And if there is a shooting -- again, that is extremely rare, and not happening at higher rates than in the past -- when the police eventually arrive, they aren't necessarily going to know that you are a Good Guy With A Gun. To put it mildly, this will complicate things during and after the shooting episode.


Overall, I don't think it enhances anyone's safety. I'd pass.
Its not as rare as you might think. There are 21 incidents in the last 20 years in the US. There are another 6 where security guards or designated security stopped mass shootings.
https://crimeresearch.org/2016/09/uber-driver-in-chicago-stops-mass-public-shooting/
https://www.conservapedia.com/Mass_shootings_prevented_by_armed_citizens

While I agree with you...school shootings ARE extremely rare, the irony is that while people think they are too rare to pay for armed security or have police officers in schools, they ARENT considered too rare to be used as springboards to launch gun control efforts. Isnt it interesting that its USUALLY the same people that are all for gun control following one of these extremely rare instances are usually the first ones to say we dont need to arm teachers.
 
I'm something of a rarity. I'm a middle school Library Media Specialist. I carry a gun to school everyday. Wanna' discuss this issue?
Good for you. With school shootings all too common you should have all the protection you can get.
 
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