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Illegal Immigrant Kills 2 Virginia Beach Girls

I agree that illegal immigrants are a big problem. I agree that illegals shouldn't be in the country to begin with, should be deported as soon as they are discovered, and companies hiring them should be fined significantly. I am for increased border patrols/security to keep illegals out. I don't care about checkpoints; since I'm not an illegal nor am I doing anything wrong, my time detained will be minimal.

All that being said, the article being discussed brings illegal immigrants in as a red herring. Drunk driving is the issue. The fact that the drivers were illegal immigrants is not only incidental, but, and Ikari's right here, a way to propogandaize the illegal issue. This is a tragedy regardless of who was driving. The fact that it was illegals doesn't make the border security issue any more significant. It's ALREADY significant.
 
If this illegal immigrant had been deported after his first DUI the Virginia Beach girls would be alive today. You can not deny this fact. We as a nation deserve what we are getting. We have been absent in enforcing our own laws. It is illegal to enter the United States with out going through the proper channels

We are reaping what we have sown. It is time to crack down in a major way ~ Sgt Rock
 
I am 100% behind cracking down on illegal immigration and enforcing the laws that already exist. A big fence wouldn't hurt my feelings either...

BUT......

I think we can do with out the "Black men are raping our white women" mentality. This McCarthism approach you're using to demonize illegals is not the way to go.

Just the fact that they came in through the back door illegally is enough to get them deported if we, our own citizens, would enforce the laws already written. There is no need to start a hate movement Sarge.
 
I am 100% behind cracking down on illegal immigration and enforcing the laws that already exist. A big fence wouldn't hurt my feelings either...

BUT......

I think we can do with out the "Black men are raping our white women" mentality. This McCarthism approach you're using to demonize illegals is not the way to go.

Just the fact that they came in through the back door illegally is enough to get them deported if we, our own citizens, would enforce the laws already written. There is no need to start a hate movement Sarge.

Excuse me. Are you accusing me of being a racist. This has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with enforcing existing law. I do not care what race illegals are. They do not belong here.

I was discussing this with my best friend Steve Camacho last night. His grand father was a immigrant to Texas from Mexico. He is more passionate about this issue than I am. He agree's with me that something has got to be done soon. He is also ashamed of the government of Mexico for encouraging Illegal immigration. As a matter of fact he has personally donated money to the folks at We Need a Fence!.

Don't even try Captain. You don't know me. My wife is a naturalized citizen of the United States. She went about immigrating here the right way. Some of of my closest friends are Legal Immigrants. My grand parents immigrated here from Poland, Ireland, And Germany LEGALLY .

So before you make assumptions I suggest you think first ~ Sgt Rock
 
Excuse me Sarge, I don't intend on making any assumptions. And if I offended you I apologize as that was not my intention.

I'm just going off of what I have been seeing you post. Here a few of your past thread titles.

Illegal Immigrant Kills 2 Virginia Beach Girls

Illegal Immigrant Faces Charges In Deadly Hit And Run

Illegal detained in death of 'Christmas Story' director


No sir. I am far beyond assuming what your agenda is. You may slice it, dice it, spin it or justify it anyway you wish sir.

I would just ask that, when in dialog with me, please don't pee on my head and tell me it's raining. We'll get along just fine.

Have a great weekend Sarge.
 
Excuse me Sarge, I don't intend on making any assumptions. And if I offended you I apologize as that was not my intention.

I'm just going off of what I have been seeing you post. Here a few of your past thread titles.

Illegal Immigrant Kills 2 Virginia Beach Girls

Illegal Immigrant Faces Charges In Deadly Hit And Run

Illegal detained in death of 'Christmas Story' director


No sir. I am far beyond assuming what your agenda is. You may slice it, dice it, spin it or justify it anyway you wish sir.

I would just ask that, when in dialog with me, please don't pee on my head and tell me it's raining. We'll get along just fine.

Have a great weekend Sarge.

Are you suggesting that the three threads in question are not true? That they are somehow fabrications of the media?

I am just pointing them out by posting them on this forum. ~ Sgt Rock
 
Well, you gotta be careful with the bail thing. We can't lay excessive bail on people. Also, this is one case and it was one in which a drunk driver has killed some innocent people. Now, if Americans didn't do this, perchance there is reason to be pissed off. However, illegal immigration will never be at zero and if you want to really effect the problem you have to go after companies which hire illegal aliens and get the demand for illegals down. Also, I think we should make it a heck of a lot easier to get into this country legally. This whole issue is overblown and has a rather simple solution which doesn't revolve around building a fence. It's just that you have to go after some of the companies which fund the Republocrats and that means that we have to put a lot of pressure on our politicians in order to do so. Immigrants rock, we need them for our economy; let's make it easier to get in and crack down on the hiring of illegals. That is the best way to affect this problem. But bitching about some drunk dude who got into a wreck...it's not that he was illegal that caused it, it was because he was drunk. Drinking and driving isn't good.

There seems to be alot more of these illegals who get into a wrecks than most people realise, have you ever read anything along thses lines before?

Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.Evidence suggests many of last year's 42,636 road deaths involved illegal aliens. AAA Foundation for Traffic Study found 20 percent of fatal accidents involve at least one driver who lacks a valid license.
If this article is true then Iraq is not the only battle America is losing !

Full article here:

WorldNetDaily: Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily
 
I'm sure there is a percentage of illegals which commit crime, and I am sure there is a percentage of them whom murder people too. Most of those are probably not being committed because the person is an illegal immigrant, but for the same reasons anyone kills another (which I'm not sure what those are as I have never the desire to kill anyone). There will be stories, but statistically they aren't the majority of the deaths. And it doesn't stop the fact that if you really want to do something about this, walls and what have you will do nothing. You need to stop the demand for illegal immigrants in this country, and that means making it financially not a viable option to companies which tend to hire illegals. So bitching about the deaths isn't going to do anything, you got to get the government to act appropriately to solve this problem.

Also, the thing I don't get the most is that we've had this "problem" for decades. It wasn't until a few years ago when this became a big issue. I think it's a nice one for government because they don't have to do anything to stop the problem, but so long as they can keep it politically valid both sides profit. I don't think it's the problem that some would like to make it out to be. Especially since it has such a simple solution should the government choose to enact it. It seems more likely that some politicians just wanted another talking point they can argue over and do nothing about. Damned Republocrats.
 
Excuse me Sarge, I don't intend on making any assumptions. And if I offended you I apologize as that was not my intention.

I'm just going off of what I have been seeing you post. Here a few of your past thread titles.

Illegal Immigrant Kills 2 Virginia Beach Girls

Illegal Immigrant Faces Charges In Deadly Hit And Run

Illegal detained in death of 'Christmas Story' director


No sir. I am far beyond assuming what your agenda is. You may slice it, dice it, spin it or justify it anyway you wish sir.

I would just ask that, when in dialog with me, please don't pee on my head and tell me it's raining. We'll get along just fine.

Have a great weekend Sarge.

What "race" are illegal immigrants? From where I sit, they don't have one - there are many from Canada, Asia, and Africa, just as there are many from Latin American countries. Being opposed to illegal immigration and seeking to do everything possible to stop or decrease it doesn't make one a racist.
 
What "race" are illegal immigrants? From where I sit, they don't have one - there are many from Canada, Asia, and Africa, just as there are many from Latin American countries. Being opposed to illegal immigration and seeking to do everything possible to stop or decrease it doesn't make one a racist.

I do not think he is making it a race issue.I think Captain America believes there is a demonization campaign of illegals.
 
Excuse me Sarge, I don't intend on making any assumptions. And if I offended you I apologize as that was not my intention.

I'm just going off of what I have been seeing you post. Here a few of your past thread titles.

Illegal Immigrant Kills 2 Virginia Beach Girls

Illegal Immigrant Faces Charges In Deadly Hit And Run

Illegal detained in death of 'Christmas Story' director


No sir. I am far beyond assuming what your agenda is. You may slice it, dice it, spin it or justify it anyway you wish sir.

I would just ask that, when in dialog with me, please don't pee on my head and tell me it's raining. We'll get along just fine.

Have a great weekend Sarge.

Illegals are criminals every second they remain in this country illegally. People need to realize these criminal scum are committing crimes other than committing identity theft/fraud and tax fraud and ******** on our sovereignty and immigration laws.
 
For those of you that think drunk driving is the only issue in this case consider this analogy.

Imagine a burglar breaking into your home and helping himself to the liquor in your basement bar. Thus drunk, he destroys your furniture and defaces the walls. Now, does it make any sense to say that your property was damaged not because he broke into your home but because he drank the liquor? Of course not. He should not have trespassed on your home in the first place.

Likewise, the illegal alien's trespassing on the country is the problem here it was his presence in the country that led to the death of the girls. To argue otherwise is to engage in shameless sophistry.
 
For those of you that think drunk driving is the only issue in this case consider this analogy.

Imagine a burglar breaking into your home and helping himself to the liquor in your basement bar. Thus drunk, he destroys your furniture and defaces the walls. Now, does it make any sense to say that your property was damaged not because he broke into your home but because he drank the liquor? Of course not. He should not have trespassed on your home in the first place.

Likewise, the illegal alien's trespassing on the country is the problem here it was his presence in the country that led to the death of the girls. To argue otherwise is to engage in shameless sophistry.

Very poor and inconsistent analogy. Driving drunk is illegal. Being drunk, in the way you described, is not. Therefore, the drinking in your analogy is irrelevant.
 
Your right being Drunk is not the issue. The issue in my anaolgy is unlawful entry. Whether into a home or into this country. Look you may or mat not have a problem with people entering the country illegally. Those that do not are in the minority. Most Americans want our government to stop illegal immigration. The fact is that criminal immigrants are commiting other crimes when they get into the country. That is a fact. If you choose to defend illegals then you are a part of the problem. ~ Sgt Rock
 
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Alison Kunhardt and Tessa Trachant of Virginia Beach, Va., seen in this undated photo, were killed March 30, 2007 by Alfredo Ramos, a Mexican living illegally in the U.S. for seven years.

The city of Virginia Beach, Va., which has been a flash point in the national debate on immigration after an illegal alien killed two teens in a drunk-driving crash, is changing its policy and will now ask crime suspects about their immigration status, no matter how small the offense

A victory in the war against Illegal Immigration. ~ Sgt Rock
 
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Alison Kunhardt and Tessa Trachant of Virginia Beach, Va., seen in this undated photo, were killed March 30, 2007 by Alfredo Ramos, a Mexican living illegally in the U.S. for seven years.

The city of Virginia Beach, Va., which has been a flash point in the national debate on immigration after an illegal alien killed two teens in a drunk-driving crash, is changing its policy and will now ask crime suspects about their immigration status, no matter how small the offense

A victory in the war against Illegal Immigration. ~ Sgt Rock

Yet again you continue to ignore the other facts about this article aside from the fact that an illegal was involved. Yes, we get it already...you are against illegal immigration. If you are going to use such tragic stories as currency in your ongoing agenda against illegals, you should address the other issues of the story as well, which are just as if not more tragic than the fact that an illegal was involved. The sad thing is that these stories don't just pop up, you actually go searching for them to further your agenda. What exactly are you looking for here? A lot of people already agree with your assessment that we need to get rid of illegals who are here. The thing that amazes me is that you continue to act baffled as to why people give you crap about posting this stuff. It should be blatantly obvious.
 
Yet again you continue to ignore the other facts about this article aside from the fact that an illegal was involved. Yes, we get it already...you are against illegal immigration. If you are going to use such tragic stories as currency in your ongoing agenda against illegals, you should address the other issues of the story as well, which are just as if not more tragic than the fact that an illegal was involved. The sad thing is that these stories don't just pop up, you actually go searching for them to further your agenda. What exactly are you looking for here? A lot of people already agree with your assessment that we need to get rid of illegals who are here. The thing that amazes me is that you continue to act baffled as to why people give you crap about posting this stuff. It should be blatantly obvious.

You want to know something, I don't give a rats azz if people give me crap. I posted the picture of the victims because I care. Im going to continue posting stories like this to bring attention to the problem of CRIMINAL IMMIGRANTS. This is my cause and I am very passionate about it. Have a lovely illegal immigrant free day. ~ Sgt Rock
 
You want to know something, I don't give a rats azz if people give me crap. I posted the picture of the victims because I care. Im going to continue posting stories like this to bring attention to the problem of CRIMINAL IMMIGRANTS. This is my cause and I am very passionate about it. Have a lovely illegal immigrant free day. ~ Sgt Rock

Then what exactly is your purpose in posting these stories? Everyone is well aware that there is an illegal immigration problem in this country, whether they agree with it or not. What type of a debate are you trying to spark here? Mainly I've just seen people debating what your point is in posting the story in the first place as you seem to think the issues within the story don't matter and that the primary focus should be that an illegal was involved. You use the stories as currency to promote your own agenda. That's why I'm saying that we get already that you are against illegal immigration. Posting it a billion more times isn't going to change that.
 
Then what exactly is your purpose in posting these stories? Everyone is well aware that there is an illegal immigration problem in this country, whether they agree with it or not. What type of a debate are you trying to spark here? Mainly I've just seen people debating what your point is in posting the story in the first place as you seem to think the issues within the story don't matter and that the primary focus should be that an illegal was involved. You use the stories as currency to promote your own agenda. That's why I'm saying that we get already that you are against illegal immigration. Posting it a billion more times isn't going to change that.

It got your attention didn't it? Because enough people in Virgina Beach and across America expressed there anger over the VB sancuary city policy they decided to change it. Thats what I call people power. And apparently you don't like it so you attack me for my persistence in bringing this issue up. I suggest you move on to another thread. Maybe you should start one of your own. ~ Sgt rock
 
Source: WorldNetDaily
April 5, 2007

Illegal ignored 'don't drive' warning after drinking
Man in crash that killed 2 teens had previous DUI conviction


This guy should have been deported after his first offense. But he wasn't because the people incharge have designated Virginia Beach a sanctuary city. If you read past the initial story of this CRIMINAL alien killing to innocent young girls you will see that this is all to common. When will the government do what the majority of Americans want done. Close our border and start deporting illegals. Start with the ones that have commited crimes other than crossing our border illegally ~ Sgt Rock


WorldNetDaily: Illegal ignored 'don't drive' warning after drinking

I don't think immigration is the issue here. The tourist could easily have done this also. There are irresponsible people in the world and unfortunately we have to live with them.
 
I don't think immigration is the issue here.

If a guard working at a high rise building with electronically controlled doors, that guard disabled the electronic mechanism on that door so that anyone can enter and whole bunch trespassers came in looted,squatted,vandalized property.What would be the issue all those trespassers who came in and committed those crimes or the fact all those crimes committed by those trespassers were the result of a guard not doing his damn job?

All those Additional crimes committed by illegals are the result of the federal government and local governments not doing their job.


The tourist could easily have done this also. There are irresponsible people in the world and unfortunately we have to live with them.

Tourist have a legal right to be here.The government is not supposed to keep them out.
 
If a guard working at a high rise building with electronically controlled doors, that guard disabled the electronic mechanism on that door so that anyone can enter and whole bunch trespassers came in looted,squatted,vandalized property.What would be the issue all those trespassers who came in and committed those crimes or the fact all those crimes committed by those trespassers were the result of a guard not doing his damn job?

All those Additional crimes committed by illegals are the result of the federal government and local governments not doing their job.




Tourist have a legal right to be here.The government is not supposed to keep them out.

Excellent analogy Mr James
 
All those Additional crimes committed by illegals are the result of the federal government and local governments not doing their job.

So, do you think that instead of adding all of these laws, we should enforcing the ones we already have?

I certainly do, it would help with actually getting enforcement done, and keep the law books from getting overly congested.
 
So, do you think that instead of adding all of these laws, we should enforcing the ones we already have?
Fines do not mean squat.Fines are the acceptable consequences in the event one is caught for hiring illegals.I think illegal-immigration laws should be enforced on the state and local city level as well the federal level.The penalties should be harsh and the illegal immigration laws should be designed to severely discourage anyone from violating our immigration laws.

I think the following should be implemented

A.Ban the practice of hiring illegals with severe penalties.The following punishments for hiring illegals should be-

1.Prison time.
2.felony status.
3.severe fine.
4.loss of future ability to own and operate a business.
5.loss of property.


B.Ban financial institutions from doing business with illegals.This will prevent illegals from getting bank loans,cashing checks and sending money to their country.The penalties for violating this should be.

1.Prison time.
2.felony status.
3.severe fine.
4.loss of future ability to own and operate a business.
5.loss of property.

C.Ban auto dealerships from doing business with illegals.These people most likely do not have a valid US driver's license and they are not even here legally,they shouldn't even be driving cars.The penalties for violating this should be-

1.Prison time.
2.felony status.
3.severe fine.
4.loss of future ability to own and operate a business.
5.loss of property.

D.Ban the sale,renting,lending,or free usage of property to illegals.They are not here legally therefore they should not be able to rent,own,lease,or use property/housing here.The penalties for violating this should be-

1.Prison time.
2.felony status.
3.severe fine.
4.loss of future ability to own and operate a business.
5.loss of property.


E.Ban tax payer funded benefits for illegals.

F.Ban the aiding illegal immigration.Thats means no transporting illegals,no illegals advocacy groups,no Housing illegals,no employing illegals, no supplying illegals with money and or property and no trying to enact laws that help illegals and no sanctuary cities.Charge them with "Aiding and Abetting/Accessory" and toss anyone in prison who aids an illegal alien and make it felony.

G.Change or have a judge define section one of the 14th amendment to only apply to those born to US citizens, change it to the following". All persons born to US citizens or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside'.This amendment was created for the sole purpose of making the freed slaves into American citizens not so illegals can pop out anchor babies.

H.Any illegal who has to be deported should have a DNA sample taken from him and permanently blacklisted from entry into this country.No future citizenship,amnesty,work visa, student visa,and no entry into this country for what ever reason.

I.Ban citizens from countries we have illegal immigration problems with entry into our country until the problem is corrected.

J.Build a wall just case future politicians decide to sell us and our sovereignty out again.Guards and laws can be removed and or ignored on the whim of a traitorous politician a wall is little bit harder to do.

K.Put snipers on the border armed with M107 .50 Caliber LRSR with orders shoot to kill and claymore mines on the border.I am sure after someone seeing their buddy get his head blown off with a .50 cal round or his buddy turned into swiss cheese with by a claymore,they would be enticed to enter our country legally instead of squatting and taking a dump on our immigration laws.




I certainly do, it would help with actually getting enforcement done, and keep the law books from getting overly congested.

Have you ever seen anyone speed or illegally park somewhere?Do you think they care about getting caught or worried about a measly fine?
 
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