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A vote for Amash is tantamount to taking a vote away from Biden.
No thanks.
No thanks.
Of course you can't draw and conclusions from this pole. This is all speculation. I wouldn't consider people who would vote for Amash but would vote for Biden as a second choice and not Trump to be Biden supporters. I think it more likely that they are independents who dislike Trump. They could also be moderate Republicans who dislike Trump, but would rather not vote for a Democrat. I think these are anti-Trump voters, not pro Biden.
Justin Amash MAY launch a Presidential bid. Let's assume he runs for the purposes of this poll.
Please only vote here if you would SERIOUSLY CONSIDER voting for Amash.
If you would NOT vote for Amash, please do NOT vote on this poll.
Question: If you had to choose between Biden and Trump (e.g. if Amash changed his mind in the end) who would you vote for?
I tend to vote libertarian, and seeing that Trump and Biden is the choice the Republocrat Oligarchy came up with, I cannot see that trend changing in 2020. Amash is considering to run as a libertarian, so we'll see. I do like if the LP can draw people who have had elected offices as I think that gives them experience and legitimacy to the campaign.
Perhaps it's because they're tired of the serial sex offender with the (R) next to his name
Maybe. It's hard to tell. These could be Republicans or right leaning independents looking for an alternative to Trump.
"Serial".... are there multiple allegations of sexual offenses on the part Biden or have just seen the same story 20 times? But, you do raise an important issue: sex offenders don't do it once; its a serial problem. Now, if serial sex offenders bother you certainly won't be voting for Trump who has 25 allegations against him, some so serious they are working their way through the courts.
Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations - Wikipedia
I guess you will be voting for Amash, eh?
This cracks me up: Trump supporters trying to tarnish the competition with allegations of immorality while supporting a man that has almost ZERO morality. That dog don't hunt!
Viable being the key word. He'll never win so one way or another America is doomed to four more years of Trump or Biden. A voter can choose not to choose, so to speak, but they'll still be stuck with one or the other.
I'm not sure Americans even know what parties are anymore. We've had Libertarians run as Republicans, the Tea party and Freedom Caucus run as Republicans, Trump running as a Republican, Bernie Sanders running as a Democrat, and now Amash running as a Libertarian. Where are the drawn lines? Who's who? If Amash was running as a Republican you wouldn't vote for him but if he runs as a Libertarian you would vote for him. Has he changed in any way?
In an op-ed explaining his decision, Amash said he'd become disenchanted with the state of modern politics, which he described as being "trapped in a partisan death spiral."
"The two-party system has evolved into an existential threat to American principles and institutions," Amash wrote.
A vote for Amash is tantamount to taking a vote away from Biden.
No thanks.
Maybe. It's hard to tell. These could be Republicans or right leaning independents looking for an alternative to Trump.
But the question is phrased, if no Amash who do you vote for? It’s a ridiculously low sampling of only those who’d involve themselves on this site, in this thread, but it suggests Amash’s voters are from Biden supporters pool by over 3:1.
A vote for Amash is tantamount to taking a vote away from Biden.
... It's also part of the reason I vote 3rd party. The Republocrat Oligarchy has a stranglehold on America and keeps us complicit through the use of hyperpartisan idiocy. Every election cycle we select worse and worse candidates because we've fooled ourselves into thinking there's only two choices and the other side is so much worse we have to vote for our side. Which also explains why I would be more apt to vote for him as a libertarian candidate than a main party candidate, my vote is against the established oligarchy and I would rather we have proper political competition as proper competition aids the health of the Republic.
I think I understand your reason but I can't relate to it in an election when someone like Trump is a possible outcome. Your approach makes more sense to me when 2 candidates are roughly equally bad. Not so much though when there is a vast difference.
Yes, the intended goal of my poll was to see whether Biden or Trump would suffer more from Amish candidacy.
If people answered the poll correctly (and at least a couple posters mentioned they did not - they would not really consider Amish's candidacy), then indeed, Amash would take more votes out of Biden camp than Trump camp.
I think I understand your reason but I can't relate to it in an election when someone like Trump is a possible outcome. Your approach makes more sense to me when 2 candidates are roughly equally bad. Not so much though when there is a vast difference.
The problem is that every election, at least according to the Oligarchs and their cheerleaders, is one in which "the other side is so much worse". So going by that, one would never end up voting 3rd party and we're still stuck in the same cycle. The only way to break a cycle is to break it. Trump may be so bad, so vote third party instead of the Oligarchy and perhaps we have someone who is actually good. The oligarchy has no pressure to change so long as we keep voting for it.
I have a visceral reaction against the notion of taking votes away from Biden or Trump. It supposes that votes belong to the candidates instead of the voters. My vote belongs to me until I give it to a candidate by voting. If a voter hasn't decided to vote for Biden, that vote isn't his.
Sorry, but I just don't see 2016 and 2020, with Trump as possibility, as same kind of difference as prior elections. You are right that many people were saying the same thing for every election, but it's the same as with any advertisements - they all tout the "best deal ever", but you have to decide for yourself for when it really is a good deal.
If anything, Trump showed us how much less important were those differences before 2016 IMO.
I reject the faux dichotomy and refuse to vote for a stinky warm pile of dog **** just because the other stinky warm pile of dog **** is slightly stinkier.
That's the disconnect. You think it's just "slightly" stinkier. I think outside of 2016 and 2020, we've never had a bigger gap between the two options (at least in my voting life time).
One 70+ year old, womanizing, status quo, corporate statist, corrupt criminal or a different 70+, womanizing, status quo, corporate statist, corrupt criminal who won't tweet quite as much.
Now think about this:
- who would do better for environment
- who would do better for education
- who would have better government response to emergencies
- who is more likely to get us into a World War 3 based on a random whim
- who is going to rely on scientists and experts more
- who is more stable
- who is more trustworthy
- who would look out for the middle class more
- who is more likely to abandon any kinds of oversight over Executive Power and lead to a constitutional crisis
- who is more like to inspire more violence
If you don't have a clear answer to these, then indeed, perhaps they are about the same to you...
Justin Amash (/əˈmɑːʃ/; born April 18, 1980) is an American lawyer, activist and politician who has served as the U.S. Representative for Michigan's 3rd congressional district since 2011. Originally a member of the Republican Party, Amash became an independent in July 2019 before joining the Libertarian Party in April 2020.
A native of Grand Rapids, Michigan, Amash was born to Arab Christian parents who had immigrated to the United States. After high school, he studied economics at the University of Michigan, then earned a law degree at the University of Michigan Law School and briefly worked as a corporate lawyer before entering politics.
Amash represented the 72nd district in the Michigan House of Representatives for one term before being elected to Congress in 2010. From January 2011 to January 2019, Amash missed only one of 5,374 roll call votes although he has been criticized for his high level of present votes.[2][3] Amash chaired the Liberty Caucus and is the first and only Libertarian to hold a seat in Congress. Amash received national attention when he became the first Republican congressman to call for the impeachment of Donald Trump, a position he maintained after leaving the party.
Although it was speculated that he would run for the Libertarian nomination for the 2020 presidential election, he chose to run for reelection to the House as an independent.[4][5] On April 28, 2020, he announced the formation of an exploratory committee to seek the Libertarian presidential nomination.
Biden might do better for the EPA, though he's still bought and paid for by major corps so a small improvement, but likely not all that is needed
Biden would status quo the Education, I think Trump has more or less been along that same line
Biden might do better here if he can keep coherence for more than 3 minutes. But certainly wouldn't make it quite as contentious as Trump has made it.
Biden supports the Infinity War
Biden likely would listen to scientists when it suits his agenda. Trump certainly won't unless they happen to be sucking his ass at the same time.
Biden I don't think is completely there
Biden is certainly not trustworthy. I wouldn't trust Biden or Trump with a ham sandwich
Biden is rich and supported by the New Aristocracy, no Republocrat has really given a **** about the middle class since Carter
Biden is of the Republocrat Oligarchy and these folk have been growing Presidential power for decades. Not only would Biden do nothing to curtail that, he'd use everything Trump has used thus far
Biden may inspire more people to nap, so he likely has the edge here.