Could we please just have open minded Americans that actually watched both the President’s address and the democrats address. If you only wanted one then you’re close minded, please go to another post.
I thought the president was very professional, he put the facts that he gets from professional border security agents out for us to see, and told Americans about how the democrats are on video saying we must stop the illegal immigrant flow at our southern border, and he addressed the murders, rapes, and assaults. Now I listened to democrats hoping they would lay out their plan for the more advanced technology to stop border crossing, but all I heard was about putting technology at border crossings to catch drugs, I didn’t hear anything about stopping illegal criminals, or the murdered Americans. I gave them an open mind but they had nothing that sounded feasible, they did say open the government and discuss wall later, but they’ve already voted for it before so why do they need to discuss.
I also watched Bernie, his statement had more ideas than democrats, but he had also voted for border security before also. He got off on free stuff and old folks and such.
I personally think our president has our safety in mind so I like his ideas.
Tell us what you got from the addresses. But only if you watched both sides!
I watched both.
Trump delivered what I expected, an appeal for the wall based on his "facts" for what he feels was important enough to partially shut down government over. The address itself was full of misinformation and distortions of the truth. Ironically, that means Trump was appealing to the emotion of the argument, the "moral crisis" on our southern border.
And Pelosi / Schumer delivered what I expected as a response, an appeal for government to be opened despite Trump's "facts" suggesting the need for a wall. Asking to separate opening government back up using Congressional bipartisan negotiated agreements apart from Trump's demand for wall money. At the same time Pelosi / Schumer took Trump's bait and appealed to the counter emotional argument of partisanship and Trump's "manufacturing a crisis" rhetoric.
Ultimately what we are seeing is the worst of politics.
Trump distorted the truth plenty of times using the government shutdown for a wall for which the impact on the issues he stated is arguable, and Pelosi / Schumer countered with a calling the bluff sort of response questioning Trump's integrity and the need to shutdown government over the wall.
While Trump looked fairly calm but from time to time uncomfortable talking with his hands, Pelosi / Schumer stood there appearing like someone had AK-47s pointed at them forcing the speech.
I walked away from both addresses expecting to be on the latter end of a drinking game, but ended up disappointed that this is where we are with politics today. It is ugly, full of convenient political lies and distortions, and reminds us why we hand power back and forth on a violent back and forth pendulum to continued voter disappointment.
Neither address won me over, even though before either started I was convinced shutting government down over the wall would only end in degrees of loss. If Democrats cave, Trump will learn he can hijack a functional government for any wish he has. If Trump decides to cave, his base will flip out escalating all the misinformation Trump offered on the reasons for the wall in the first place.
The worst thing in the world here that so few are talking about is being against Trump's wall is not necessarily the same as being against border security. Because Democrats and Republicans seemingly cannot agree on what border security means the rhetoric shows up, with plenty of posters here at DP taking the bait with "open border" rhetoric.
As a nation we accomplished nothing last night, and there is no reason for the history books to be kind to anyone in politics today over this issue and so many others.
That is what I walked away with, continued disappointment in our elected leaders with no hope of immigration reform or border security coming our way anytime soon. Wall or not.
