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I want to see if we can just talk about political issues here without saying crap about each other by having separate threads for all Democrats and Republicans. If your political lean is slightly liberal, liberal, very liberal, progressive, or socialist, you can start a discussion about any issue that belongs here. People think such a forum would an "echo chamber" just because they never saw what would actually happen. Let's see if like-minded posters do echo each other a lot of really debate on every political topic when no slightly conservative, conservative, very conservative, or Libertarian members join the discussion.

First topic: COVID-19 and the Economy
 
What is the democratic party platform?
 

That does not seem like a platform so much as a list of things they support or oppose, a platform is an agenda, a plan for america, not just political leanings on topics.

The rnc already went with no pplatform as the gop was too divided to have a single platform, the dnc pretty much seems to have taken the same no platform approach but want to pretend they have one.
 
I want to see if we can just talk about political issues here without saying crap about each other by having separate threads for all Democrats and Republicans. If your political lean is slightly liberal, liberal, very liberal, progressive, or socialist, you can start a discussion about any issue that belongs here. People think such a forum would an "echo chamber" just because they never saw what would actually happen. Let's see if like-minded posters do echo each other a lot of really debate on every political topic when no slightly conservative, conservative, very conservative, or Libertarian members join the discussion.

First topic: COVID-19 and the Economy

Maybe you can ask Admin for a safe space by creating a special "Dem only" forum?
 
The first thing about covid and the economy is handling the virus well, which we are not.

A second thing is focusing policy on helping the American people, rather than allowing it to enrich the rich, like the Great Recession did - but it's already doing that, the richest have gained nearly a trillion dollars during the crisis.
 
Maybe you can ask Admin for a safe space by creating a special "Democrats only" forum?

I did that months ago. One of the moderators said enforcing it would be impractical if not impossible.
 
The first thing about COVID-19 and the economy is handling the virus well, which we are not.

What measures would you recommend to handle it better?

A second thing is focusing policy on helping the American people, rather than allowing it to enrich the rich, like the Great Recession did - but it's already doing that, the richest have gained nearly a trillion dollars during the crisis.

The Great Recession forced me to temporarily lose my job and work fewer hours every day when I did work. That was a lot of money I missed out on because George Bush likes big bank managers more than manufacturing company packers.
 
The first thing about covid and the economy is handling the virus well, which we are not.

A second thing is focusing policy on helping the American people, rather than allowing it to enrich the rich, like the Great Recession did - but it's already doing that, the richest have gained nearly a trillion dollars during the crisis.

Biden has only two solutions: Lock the country down sending us into a Great Depression or a national mask mandate.

He said he would follow the science and listen to the experts but no experts are saying we need a national lockdown.

California has had a mask mandate for over two months now and now has more cases and deaths than before the mask mandate started.

Is this what Biden wants for America, a great depression and a mask mandate that doesn't work? Those are his solutions?
 
What measures would you recommend to handle it better?



The Great Recession forced me to temporarily lose my job and work fewer hours every day when I did work. That was a lot of money I missed out on because George Bush likes big bank managers more than manufacturing company packers.

So, you're saying that you agree a nationwide lock down is just not a realistic option?
 
So, you're saying that you agree a nationwide lock down is just not a realistic option?

I asked a question. Nothing in my post implies I believe a nationwide lockdown is realistic.
 
Biden has only two solutions: Lock the country down sending us into a Great Depression or a national mask mandate.

He said he would follow the science and listen to the experts but no experts are saying we need a national lockdown.

California has had a mask mandate for over two months now and now has more cases and deaths than before the mask mandate started.

Is this what Biden wants for America, a great depression and a mask mandate that doesn't work? Those are his solutions?

Joe Biden stated during his acceptance speech he wants a national mask mandate. That means he does NOT want to lock down the whole country because if people wear masks, they can go to work, all stores. some restaurants, etc.
 
I asked a question. Nothing in my post implies I believe a nationwide lockdown is realistic.

Ummmmmmmmmmmm, that's what I said, that you agree that a nationwide lockdown is not realistic.

In addition, a national mask mandate is not realistic either. California has done that for over two months and now they have more cases and deaths per day than they had at the start of the mask mandate. Too many Americans (mostly the young liberals wanting to party, go to beaches and bars, and protest are going to flaunt the mask mandate, giving the nation the same results as the California mask mandate.

In other words, you guys blame Trump for things without having your own realistic solutions. It's just a blame Trump party for biased political reasons.
 
Joe Biden stated during his acceptance speech he wants a national mask mandate. That means he does NOT want to lock down the whole country because if people wear masks, they can go to work, all stores. some restaurants, etc.

A mask mandate has been done in California for over two months and things are now worse than before the mask mandate. Is that the best you can do?
 
Umm, that's what I said, that you agree that a nationwide lockdown is not realistic.

In addition, a national mask mandate is not realistic either. California has done that for over two months and now they have more cases and deaths per day than they had at the start of the mask mandate. Too many Americans (mostly the young liberals wanting to party, go to beaches and bars, and protest are going to flaunt the mask mandate, giving the nation the same results as the California mask mandate.

In other words, you guys blame Trump for things without having your own realistic solutions. It's just a blame Trump party for biased political reasons.

Put aside your feelings about Trump here and look at this situation from the other POV: All of the worst areas for COVID-19 have very dense populations except Arizona. Most cases in New York State were in New York City. In Florida, numbers are much worse in Palm Beach, Broward, and Dade Counties than the other 64 - so bad that m governor excluded them from his reopening plan in the May 4 executive order. Also, do not forget California, Texas, and Florida are the most populous states in that order. BTW California is worst in Los Angeles, Orange, and San Diego Counties, which should not surprise anyone. Do you see a pattern there?

My point is your risk of getting COVID-19 is affected by which area you live in, not just whether Kentucky's governor is a Democrat or Republican.
 
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Put aside your feelings about Trump here and look at this situation from the other POV: All of the worst areas for COVID-19 have very dense populations except Arizona. Most cases in New York State were in New York City. In Florida, numbers are much worse in Palm Beach, Broward, and Dade Counties than the other 64 - so bad that m governor excluded them from his reopening plan in the May 4 executive order. Also, do not forget California, Texas, and Florida are the most populous states in that order. BTW California is worst in Los Angeles, Orange, and San Diego Counties, which should not surprise anyone. Do you see a pattern there?

My point is your risk of getting COVID-19 is affected by which area you live in, not just whether Kentucky's governor is a Democrat or Republican.

I don't understand how that relates to my post you quoted. I said mask mandates don't work because too many people refuse to follow the mask mandate, even in liberal states, even Nancy Pelosi. California has proven that a national mask mandate wouldn't work. They are words only. Yes, a mask mandate would work IF people followed them but even liberal California doesn't follow them. Neither would the US as a whole. Therefore, issuing a national mask mandate only makes you feel better while, as in California, the truth is mask mandates don't work.

Related, Biden says he would call out rioters for their rioting and condemn it but those are just words. The rioters aren't going to listen to words. What is Biden going to do about the rioting? Answer: nothing. Condemning it will do nothing to stop it. His solution is to let rioters riot and then condemn them for it, while it continues on day after day after day while Biden takes a knee with the peaceful protesters who provide the cover for the rioters.
 
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A mask mandate has been done in California for over two months and things are now worse than before the mask mandate. Is that the best you can do?

A mask mandate was done in Arizona and our numbers fell significantly. What you don't seem to realize about California is that they have an enormous essential worker population. Plus, they are a vacation hot spot.

Masks have reduced the spread in a lot of states. That said, Biden/Harris will not have a national mask mandate. They have stated many times they will only encourage states and local businesses to enact them.
 
Absolutely

I agree with Biden's entire platform except for gun control. Hope that one doesn't make the cut

He has my vote

Trump has got to go!
 
A mask mandate was done in Arizona and our numbers fell significantly. What you don't seem to realize about California is that they have an enormous essential worker population. Plus, they are a vacation hot spot.

Masks have reduced the spread in a lot of states. That said, Biden/Harris will not have a national mask mandate. They have stated many times they will only encourage states and local businesses to enact them.

You could have just liked my post that mask mandates don't work. What if Trump had issued a national mask mandate on June 18th (same day as California's mask mandate)? Would California's numbers be any different if Trump had done that? Would California's numbers be any different if Biden were president and had issued a national mask mandate? You already answered my questions. A national mask mandate makes you lefties feel better but the results wouldn't be any different than they are.
 
In response to the OP, this is long but you asked. ;)

The only way to help the economy is to eliminate the virus. Trump, nor Biden will be willing to do what it takes to do this. Consumer confidence is at an all time low. There are not enough supporters of Trump to support Americas economy, it takes us all. 1/2 the country will not be shopping, eating or working away from home because they don't want Covid. So our best bet with the economy is to have a vaccine.

That said, a vaccine will most likely only be 50% effective, and a large portion of Americans (due to conspiracy theories) will not be getting it. Our lives will forever be changed, and so will our purchasing power. The economy will shift to online and delivery. Our businesses will shift to work from home as much as it can. Until those shifts are complete we will see a spotty recovery in the economy. It will never "go back" to how it was pre-pandemic, no matter how many people want it to.

The real issue, down the road, is Americas ideal of what the future will bring. Around the world they know that the future is clean air, renewable energy, and horizontal growth. Connected education, that makes our institutions look like the dark ages. Our schools are like factories, with a corporate head, and any social interaction is treated like cheating. We still have an individual mindset, despite the digital age. In Europe they are progressing to a whole new system of learning, and social interaction in teams with real life application. It's progressive, and keeping up with the new revolution, which is digital, not industrial.

America is still old school and not looking forward, but looking backward for comfort of the known. We are falling behind, and will continue to be.

America is still vertical growth minded, like a pyramid. Small top handing down the wealth to many and we fight for individual freedom and ownership, land and property. That is not our future.

Our youth and it's generation are on a pathway of a ditigial economy, and social government with a high quality of life, and low impact needs meant for all. They care about whats between the earth and sky, not so much land ownership, but land sharing and caring.
China is jumping on board with this, and so is most of the European Union. Why? Because thats where the money will be in the future. Fossil fuel, and the Industrial revolution we keep trying to revive here just isn't profitable anymore, and itś at its capacity for growth. So, if we care about the economy, we need to change direction and fast. We are already behind, and I see no indication of change coming in any meaningful way. Our mindset in America is Industrial, not progressive and our infrastructure is not set up for the future.

On top of this, the current president has pulled out of over 11 world groups, and this nationalist attitude couldn't have come at a worst time. Then the pandemic. To be honest, who ever can might think of leaving America for some place moving forward.

From what I hear from Biden, he's playing the safe card, and central card. He migh lose the progressives again, which is why Clinton lost. I hope they find a way to reduce the virus numbers, and incorporate a progressive economic outlook or we will indeed mean much less to the world than we're used to. It's already happening.
 
That does not seem like a platform so much as a list of things they support or oppose, a platform is an agenda, a plan for america, not just political leanings on topics.

The rnc already went with no pplatform as the gop was too divided to have a single platform, the dnc pretty much seems to have taken the same no platform approach but want to pretend they have one.

I think the Democratic PLATFORM is a great plan that will Make AmeriCA Great Again. I was Great before Trump got ahold of it, it will take an experienced LEADER like Joe Biden to bring us back to that Greatness.

- A strong National policy to deal with COVID and future infectious disease.
- Building an economy which offers ALL Americans the opportunity to succeed.
- Quality Health Care for ALL Americans.
- Building a Justice System ALL Americans can trust and depend on.
- Healing the pervasive divisivness of Donald Trump.
- Restoring the Representitive Democracy, undermind by Trump and his Cabinet and the Senate and House Republicans to one we ALL can trust to be just for ALL Americans.
- Creating a humane and compasionate Immigration System.
- Providing a world class education to our children and young adults.
- Renewing our place as World Leader decimated by Donald Trump.

That sounds like a Great PLATFORM.

Electing Joe Biden will be a much needed New Begining for America!
 
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