If you have young sons start training them to be fathers way earlier. You're not gonna stop sex and many will be fathers from 15-18yo.

[Artymoon]

A friend of mine, recently widowed, had lengthy talks with her son about sex and consequences. Both she and her late husband were good parents. The son fathered a child with a condom in his back pocket.

It absolutely happens. That doesn't mean we throw our hands up and not teach our kids responsibility. And it's good to hear that your friends were engaged in their son's life and good parents. What was the outcome if I may ask?

 

[HikerGuy83]

What rights have you lost by women having access to the ability to decide what happens with their own bodies?

Not a one.

And when it goes back to the states, that will remain the case.

 

[tres borrachos]

The bold: And you accepted that responsibility?
I disagree whole-heartedly about what is and what isn't your business. Everything my child does until they are of legal age, IS my business.
I don't see abortion being banned, so your situation would either be: a baby is born or you got an abortion, much akin to what we have now.

Yes, I accepted that "responsibility". What would make you think I was lying?

 

[HikerGuy83]

It absolutely happens. That doesn't mean we throw our hands up and not teach our kids responsibility. And it's good to hear that your friends were engaged in their son's life and good parents. What was the outcome if I may ask?

Boy's make mistakes.

What get's me is the environment we allow them to exist in.

Girls today face and onslaught by young me (mostly in high school) that I never dreamed possible.

If I said something to a girl in high school that some have repeated to me (from these days), I'd have a father after me (and nobody faulting him for it).

Any young man who objectifies women the way some do today......needs something.

 

[tres borrachos]

Well, if you were married to your husband, getting pregnant - timing aside - should have been a joyous occasion. Talking about abstinence and practicing it are two different things. As far as everything else in your post, your decision to abdicate your parental influence is your decision and I'm sorry you had to rely on school for sex ed.

You didn't learn about sex in school? I'm 60 years old, and they taught us about everything from puberty to the fallopian tubes and menstruation and boys having penises and so on when I was in junior high, in 1976. Were you home schooled? They taught it in the public schools.

 

[Atreus21]

Except the purpose of marital relations is not always to procreate.

Maybe not, but the biological purpose of sex definitely is, just as eating's purpose is to supply the body even though it happens to be pleasurable sometimes.

And married couples should not be expected to give up their marital relations because some people object to abortion, if in fact their relations result in an unwanted pregnancy. That's between them. Nobody else.

If married couples don't want children, they should take every precaution to avoid it. If they engage in sex and conceive a child, killing that child should not be a legal option. Killing a child, one's own child even, so that we may avoid inconvenience is monstrous.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Modern feminism is my guess, which promotes the worst behavior in men as something women should aspire to.

Our penchant for throwing marriage down the drain does not help.

Lot's of you women being raised with no dad in the home.

I think the left feels this is progress.

 

[Excast]

Not a one.

And when it goes back to the states, that will remain the case.

And again, I hope you are lucky enough not to have a female member of your family that has to deal with the reality of a non viable or life threatening pregnancy. Yes, neither you or I will ever have to personally deal with that horror. My views are not shaped solely by what personally affects me, but by having respect for those who HAVE, DO, and WILL have to make those decisions going into the future.

Why in the world would any woman want to live in a state that believes even a life threatening pregnancy isn't reason enough to seek an abortion? Why would they want to be a part of a community that views them as little more than a disposable breeding tool?

 

[CaughtInThe]

How much child support do you pay?

A lot. I'm married with kids.

 

[HikerGuy83]

And again, I hope you are lucky enough not to have a female member of your family that has to deal with the reality of a non viable or life threatening pregnancy. Yes, neither you or I will ever have to personally deal with that horror. My views are not shaped solely by what personally affects me, but by having respect for those who HAVE, DO, and WILL have to make those decisions going into the future.

Why in the world would any woman want to live in a state that believes even a life threatening pregnancy isn't reason enough to seek an abortion? Why would they want to be a part of a community that views them as little more than a disposable breeding tool?

Well, 42% of them are anti-abortion.

A larger number would never personally have one.

You'll need to find one of them and ask them.

 

[CaughtInThe]

There is a typo in the title. "You're" should be "They're".

 

[tres borrachos]

Maybe not, but the biological purpose of sex definitely is, just as eating's purpose is to supply the body even though it happens to be pleasurable sometimes.



If married couples don't want children, they should take every precaution to avoid it. If they engage in sex and conceive a child, killing that child should not be a legal option. Killing a child, one's own child even, so that we may avoid inconvenience is monstrous.

Married couples should not have to avoid sex.

It's illegal to kill a child. Nobody is advocating for people to kill their children.

 

[Rexedgar]

Amazing how well this holds up.
It was true then and still true now.

George truly is immortal!

 

[tres borrachos]

A lot. I'm married with kids.

Expensive little beings, aren't they?

 

[CaughtInThe]

Expensive little beings, aren't they?

And those expensive kids will have to be paid for by the 15 and 16 and 17 year old boys.

Or their parents.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

And while you're at it go ahead and get a second job so that you can be a grandparent in your thirties and pay child support.

The Rebpublican attack on elections is way worse.

 

[Rexedgar]

Abstinence is the only tried and true method. I talked with both of my kids and explained things. Namely, I did not want them to have sex as a teenager but I am a realist so I tried to convey that deciding to have sex is sort of like a contract - if you choose to engage in, then you are agreeing to accept any potential lifelong consequences of that decision.

Parenting is a lost art, in some circles…

 

[Atreus21]

Married couples should not have to avoid sex.

Uh, okay. Should they have to avoid alcohol if they want to avoid intoxication?

It's not really a question of should. It's a question of do. If you don't want the effect, you have to avoid or prevent the cause.

It's illegal to kill a child. Nobody is advocating for people to kill their children.

Abortion kills children. Just ask Joe Biden. “So I mean, the idea that we’re going to make a judgment that is going to say that no one can make the judgment to choose to abort a child, based on a decision by the Supreme Court, I think goes way overboard.”

 

[Excast]

Well, 42% of them are anti-abortion.

A larger number would never personally have one.

You'll need to find one of them and ask them.

42% of men are anti abortion. The percentage of women is lower.

Public Opinion on Abortion

While public support for legal abortion has fluctuated some in two decades of polling, it has remained relatively stable over the past five years.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[tres borrachos]

Uh, okay. Should they have to avoid alcohol if they want to avoid intoxication?



Abortion kills children. Just ask Joe Biden. “So I mean, the idea that we’re going to make a judgment that is going to say that no one can make the judgment to choose to abort a child, based on a decision by the Supreme Court, I think goes way overboard.”

Avoiding alcohol is their choice. Not everyone drinks.

What do you want me to ask Joe Biden exactly?

 

[CaughtInThe]

I'm starting to get the feelings the old men that post here think that a 16 year old boy who impregnates a 16 year old girl is just gonna be off the hook and leave her high and dry without the financial responsibility of raising that child until it's 18.

Anyone here know how much money that is? Would you like me to tell you?

 

[Cope]

Yes, I accepted that "responsibility". What would make you think I was lying?

I didn't think you were lying, merely making the statement that you got to choose the level of responsibility. You chose to have sex and accepted the responsibility that comes with it. Good on you! I did too for that matter, 5 times!

As would most people still, if the Roe decision gets overturned.

Was this one of those threads with the sound arguments?

 

[tres borrachos]

I didn't think you were lying, merely making the statement that you got to choose the level of responsibility. You chose to have sex and accepted the responsibility that comes with it. Good on you! I did too for that matter, 5 times!

As would most people still, if the Roe decision gets overturned.

Was this one of those threads?

Everyone chooses the responsibility if the sex is consensual. I didn't know that was up for debate?

 

[Excast]

I didn't think you were lying, merely making the statement that you got to choose the level of responsibility. You chose to have sex and accepted the responsibility that comes with it. Good on you! I did too for that matter, 5 times!

As would most people still, if the Roe decision gets overturned.

Was this one of those threads with the sound arguments?

Do you believe that men and woman face the same level of risk/consequence when it comes to the realities of pregnancy?

 

[element94]

Amazing how well this holds up.
It was true then and still true now.

He always had them dead to rights, and they are nothing if not predictable.
And remember, if Trump is Jesus' agent on earth, he also must have wanted him to **** a porn star while his wife was recovering from childbirth.