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"If you give up your liberty for your safety, you will end up with neither" -Franklin

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FULL BODY SCANERS IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY /SECURITY YOU WILL END UP WITH NIETHER
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To: Dan Rea Dan it's time like these , when I would LOVE to be able to ask Benjamin Franklin what he would say , I'm willing to bet he... would say NO WAY ........why you say ? look Dan I live in Admirals Hill Chelsea , I could go out to my balcony with some high powered riffle / AK 47" WHAT KIND I DON'T HAVE A CLUE I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT GUNS RIFFLES BUT I COULD FIND OUT IN NO TIME " SO COULD ANYONE WHO LIVES IN CHELSEA , BOSTON E. BOSTON REVERE ETC,

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

How does being scanned at an airport a sacrifice of your liberty? Is your liberty compromised when a doctor preforms a physical? No one is forcing you to board a plane, you chose to purchase the ticket. Part of that service means that you must undergo security checks for valid reasons. I think many media outlets are spinning this into some "big brother government" conspiracy.
 
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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

"Conservatives" of today.....love big brother and big government....as long as it gives them a sense of security (they don't care if its a false one...as long as they feel that they are being protected).
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

"Conservatives" of today.....love big brother and big government....as long as it gives them a sense of security (they don't care if its a false one...as long as they feel that they are being protected).

this is coming from a fan of welfare socialism, gun bans etc? I think you are making stuff up
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

"Conservatives" of today.....love big brother and big government....as long as it gives them a sense of security (they don't care if its a false one...as long as they feel that they are being protected).

Another Mickey Mouse post from disneydude. Your partisan hackery is legend.
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

"Conservatives" of today.....love big brother and big government....as long as it gives them a sense of security (they don't care if its a false one...as long as they feel that they are being protected).

LOL....ROFL this is the typical liberal nonsense
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

If anything applies to this quote its the Patriot Act.
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

How does being scanned at an airport a sacrifice of your liberty?

Lets see, people forcing you to be exposed to untold amounts of radiation, and essentially seen naked - people who are not LEOs [working for the federal government too] being given authority LEOs aren't even allowed to do. That doesn't seem like a loss of rights, let alone a scary thought?

Is your liberty compromised when a doctor preforms a physical?

Terrible analogy, you CONSENT to that, and the people carrying it out are trained professionals with tons of medicinal education and experience [decades].


No one is forcing you to board a plane, you chose to purchase the ticket.

If your business requires travel, if you need to get across large masses of land or WATER quickly, yes you are, but nice strawman to divert the disucssion.


Part of that service means that you must undergo security checks for valid reasons.

This is not airport security on the part of the AIRLINES, this is being carried out by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

I think many media outlets are spinning this into some "big brother government" conspiracy.

As much spin as there may or may not be, it does not detract from the intrusive nature of WBI.
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

It is a shame this forum turned into a left right paradigm. The fact is I agree with Mr. Franklin and both Democrats and Republicans are responsible for this false sense of protection.
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

It is a shame this forum turned into a left right paradigm. The fact is I agree with Mr. Franklin and both Democrats and Republicans are responsible for this false sense of protection.

true to some extent though the GOP tends to target those expected to be criminals or terrorists while dems tend to target those not likely to be either
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

If anything applies to this quote its the Patriot Act.

Which was one of the biggest blow jobs, the federal government gave to the thugs in blue and general law enforcement to date. The next big one would be Obama's national police force bull****.
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

Which was one of the biggest blow jobs, the federal government gave to the thugs in blue and general law enforcement to date. The next big one would be Obama's national police force bull****.

is that why slang for a detective is "dick"
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

Not really an issue im in favour of naked walkthroughs at the airport.Then the only thing needing to be scanned is internal.
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

I suspect the next form of "security" will come in the shape of a government monitored internet to protect we the people from whomever they define as a terrorist.
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

I suspect the next form of "security" will come in the shape of a government monitored internet to protect we the people from whomever they define as a terrorist.

No. We alread know what's coming before that. It'll be "health."
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

"Conservatives" of today.....love big brother and big government....as long as it gives them a sense of security (they don't care if its a false one...as long as they feel that they are being protected).

This explains why liberals don't understand The Tea Party
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

If anything applies to this quote its the Patriot Act.

Which this administration embraces and continues to uphold…. Take it up with Dear Leader, he’s your boy.
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

How does being scanned at an airport a sacrifice of your liberty? Is your liberty compromised when a doctor preforms a physical? No one is forcing you to board a plane, you chose to purchase the ticket. Part of that service means that you must undergo security checks for valid reasons. I think many media outlets are spinning this into some "big brother government" conspiracy.

If NSA was serious about security, they would go all out, leave no stones unturned. But no, they seem to think spot checking, suspect lists, and profiling is good enough.

ricksfolly
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

If NSA was serious about security, they would go all out, leave no stones unturned. But no, they seem to think spot checking, suspect lists, and profiling is good enough.

ricksfolly

you are hoping for strip searches and invasive rectal exams like prisoners get?
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

you are hoping for strip searches and invasive rectal exams like prisoners get?

Of course if that's what it takes, anything and everything to keep the country safe.

Bring our soldiers back so they can patrol the streets, declare martial law. We need total security, not not just token security.

ricksfolly
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

Of course if that's what it takes, anything and everything to keep the country safe.

Bring our soldiers back so they can patrol the streets, declare martial law. We need total security, not not just token security.

ricksfolly

Are you high :shock:
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

Of course if that's what it takes, anything and everything to keep the country safe.

Bring our soldiers back so they can patrol the streets, declare martial law. We need total security, not not just token security.

ricksfolly

I own some serious weaponry and am very skilled in its use because there are people who think like you
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

Of course if that's what it takes, anything and everything to keep the country safe.

Bring our soldiers back so they can patrol the streets, declare martial law. We need total security, not not just token security.

ricksfolly

I think the asylum called they want their loony back!

I hope you are joking.
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

I own some serious weaponry and am very skilled in its use because there are people who think like you

Same here.;)
 

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Re: IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR YOUR SAFTY YOU WILL END UP WITH NITHER " Benjamin

this is coming from a fan of welfare socialism, gun bans etc? I think you are making stuff up

Disneydude is right on target on this one. The whole airport security thing is an expensive joke. We have yielded our 4th amendment rights in exchange for a false sense of security. Full body scans are just an absurd idea. I never thought I would see the day when Americans would be so gullible. The next terrorist attack is not going to go through the front door... and the last terrorist attack was so effective (Americans more than happy to yield freedoms so they might not die) that we have done nothing but to encourage the next.

If we were truly the home of the free and brave, they America today would not be that much different than America on 9/10/01, save for an uptick in intelligence community.

I have always wondered why we celebrate our soldier who die for our freedom, while the cowards at home are more than happy to sacrifice freedoms so they won't die.... let's do one or the other.
 
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