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If you can afford alcohol, drugs, iPhone etc you shouldn't get entitlements

Should people be able to get entitlements if they are getting these other things?


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I see this one often and I actually totally agree and do in fact agree that you shouldn't be able to get welfare, food stamps, section 8, etc. If someone has images that say this please post. Thoughts?
 

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You dont have to be ultra poor to receive food stamps, it might not be great priorities but, everyone I know who has been on food stamps still managed to buy some beer every now and again. I don't think a 6-pack of Coors is really on par with having a brand new iphone as I could find the change to buy a 6 pack in my truck.

Welfare as in TANF, is a much tighter program, I almost assure you that if you see someone with fancy stuff on TANF they are either making money illegally (such as dealing drugs) or lying to the government about thier situation, a crime in any case.

As to pictures, sure you could find needy looking people with new Nikes and phones but what would that prove?
 
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I accidentally voted yes. My answer is no way!
 

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Military families qualify for foodstamps.
 

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Military families qualify for foodstamps.
I was unaware we pay them so poorly that they do. I think exceptions are fine like that, if laid off for a short time, etc but other than that naw. Td and Maggie voting yes is surprising.
 

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You dont have to be ultra poor to receive food stamps, it might not be great priorities but, everyone I know who has been on food stamps still managed to buy some beer every now and again. I don't think a 6-pack of Coors is really on par with having a brand new iphone as I could find the change to buy a 6 pack in my truck.

Welfare as in TANF, is a much tighter program, I almost assure you that if you see someone with fancy stuff on TANF they are either making money illegally (such as dealing drugs) or lying to the government about thier situation, a crime in any case.

As to pictures, sure you could find needy looking people with new Nikes and phones but what would that prove?
It would prove good programs are abused by bad people.
 

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I was unaware we pay them so poorly that they do. I think exceptions are fine like that, if laid off for a short time, etc but other than that naw. Td and Maggie voting yes is surprising.
I think the idea that people receiving welfare aren't entitled to buy soda, cellphones, alcohol, candy, etc. is draconian. The intent of these programs is to lift people somewhat out of poverty. Who doesn't have a cellphone today? Hell, the government even gives them away with certain income and usage requirements. Why shouldn't they be entitled to budget their money so they can enjoy steak one day a week? We buy 'em (Choice, by the way) for $4.00 each on sale for 8-oz portions. Why not beer? Candy? If it works, it works. It's theirs to spend.

I think if someone was careful, they could easily budget these things into their household. Drugs? Maybe a joint now and then, okay. But drug-drugs? No-way, no-how because it would indicate we were paying them too much -- and what we paid them, even though too much, would never be enough. But since you included that, I ignored it.
 

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I think the idea that people receiving welfare aren't entitled to buy soda, cellphones, alcohol, candy, etc. is draconian. The intent of these programs is to lift people somewhat out of poverty. Who doesn't have a cellphone today? Hell, the government even gives them away with certain income and usage requirements. Why shouldn't they be entitled to budget their money so they can enjoy steak one day a week? We buy 'em (Choice, by the way) for $4.00 each on sale for 8-oz portions. Why not beer? Candy? If it works, it works. It's theirs to spend.

I think if someone was careful, they could easily budget these things into their household. Drugs? Maybe a joint now and then, okay. But drug-drugs? No-way, no-how because it would indicate we were paying them too much -- and what we paid them, even though too much, would never be enough. But since you included that, I ignored it.
An iPhone on contract and a pay as you go phone are two different things. The difference is at least $40 a month.
 

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I was unaware we pay them so poorly that they do. I think exceptions are fine like that, if laid off for a short time, etc but other than that naw. Td and Maggie voting yes is surprising.
They are part of Rmoney's 47%

Romney's 47% made up of seniors, students, military members - Minneapolis News and Weather KMSP FOX 9

Most of the 47 percent Romney mentioned still pay federal pay roll taxes -- but half of them are seniors who draw on Social Security. Students and military members also fall into that percentage swath.

If you take out those groups, only 8 percent of the U.S. population does not pay any federal income tax. Most make under $20,000 a year and they get tax breaks that came when Ronald Reagan's tax reform took millions of the working poor off the tax rolls. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich spearheaded the child tax credit.

Read more: Romney's 47% made up of seniors, students, military members - Minneapolis News and Weather KMSP FOX 9
I think we have no business judging how others spend their money. We don't criticize the rich who get welfare in the form of tax cuts, why go after the poor>
 

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What kind of dumb question is this?

So, you want to inventory everyone's possessions? Conservatives... the anti-government people who want to use the government to see what you own.
 

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An iPhone on contract and a pay as you go phone are two different things. The difference is at least $40 a month.
Yeah, I get it. But the phones are often free. Minimum service at $40/month isn't outrageous.

I know the program is abused. I get that. I'm talking, not about the people who abuse it, but about the people who genuinely need it. If we are giving welfare to people who don't deserve it, that's on "us." But people on welfare shouldn't have to live like peons. That's not the purpose of the program, in my opinion.
 

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They are part of Rmoney's 47%

Romney's 47% made up of seniors, students, military members - Minneapolis News and Weather KMSP FOX 9



I think we have no business judging how others spend their money. We don't criticize the rich who get welfare in the form of tax cuts, why go after the poor>
You mistake me for something else. I think the rich need not have welfare either if they don't need it. Whysoserious same thing; I've lived my adult life a hard working, honest democrat. Why should I have to expect less out of others? Because they are weak and want things that require budgeting?
 

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Yeah, I get it. But the phones are often free. Minimum service at $40/month isn't outrageous.

I know the program is abused. I get that. I'm talking, not about the people who abuse it, but about the people who genuinely need it. If we are giving welfare to people who don't deserve it, that's on "us." But people on welfare shouldn't have to live like peons. That's not the purpose of the program, in my opinion.
I get where you are coming from and I think we see eye to eye. I think my poll and post may have came off as to extreme.
 

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You mistake me for something else. I think the rich need not have welfare either if they don't need it. Whysoserious same thing; I've lived my adult life a hard working, honest democrat. Why should I have to expect less out of others? Because they are weak and want things that require budgeting?
Maybe their chances for being ABLE to be hired are not the same as yours? Fewer jobs allow for more discrimination in the work place, don't you think?
 

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Maybe their chances for being ABLE to be hired are not the same as yours? Fewer jobs allow for more discrimination in the work place, don't you think?
It most assuredly does allow for more discrimination. And not one bit of it needs to be racial.
 

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I see this one often and I actually totally agree and do in fact agree that you shouldn't be able to get welfare, food stamps, section 8, etc. If someone has images that say this please post. Thoughts?
Depends.
See personally, I think if someone wants to get off these programs, they should carefully spend their money.
That means that they shouldn't be buying booze or smokes.

Already having an Iphone, no biggie, however the bill that goes along with it should be curtailed, until said person is able to sustain them self, without state aid.

Priorities folks, it's all about priorities.
 

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I think the idea that people receiving welfare aren't entitled to buy soda, cellphones, alcohol, candy, etc. is draconian. The intent of these programs is to lift people somewhat out of poverty. Who doesn't have a cellphone today? Hell, the government even gives them away with certain income and usage requirements. Why shouldn't they be entitled to budget their money so they can enjoy steak one day a week? We buy 'em (Choice, by the way) for $4.00 each on sale for 8-oz portions. Why not beer? Candy? If it works, it works. It's theirs to spend.

I think if someone was careful, they could easily budget these things into their household. Drugs? Maybe a joint now and then, okay. But drug-drugs? No-way, no-how because it would indicate we were paying them too much -- and what we paid them, even though too much, would never be enough. But since you included that, I ignored it.
Same here, pretty much. I don't understand the desire by some to dictate and micromanage other people's lives.
 

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It most assuredly does allow for more discrimination. And not one bit of it needs to be racial.
Alot of it is for the long term unemployed, elderly, as well.
 

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When did welfare become 'Entitlements"?
 

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Depends.
See personally, I think if someone wants to get off these programs, they should carefully spend their money.
That means that they shouldn't be buying booze or smokes.

Already having an Iphone, no biggie, however the bill that goes along with it should be curtailed, until said person is able to sustain them self, without state aid.

Priorities folks, it's all about priorities.

And access to jobs for which you need a phone.
 

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What kind of dumb question is this?

So, you want to inventory everyone's possessions? Conservatives... the anti-government people who want to use the government to see what you own.
Actually, if you're really hard up for money to live on, you should inventory your possessions.
Sell some of what you don't need (not all of it, of course) to raise money to cover things that need to be paid for.
 
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