"If we never get to see it AND nothing is done"

[Checkerboard Strangler]

In another thread, I responded to a friend's suggestion that the ultimate outcome of the Mueller report might be the equivalent of Americans being patted on the head and told, "Don't worry about it, nothing to see here, just forget it".
If the report says that nothing was serious enough to warrant impeachment, it's a tough pill to swallow but eventually we would have to, and move on.

If however, "we never get to see it and nothing is done - - to supposedly keep the country from imploding",
I guarantee you it's a sure-fire bet that the country WILL implode, and EXPLODE. If there is anything guaranteed to set off a bloody revolution, it's the notion that justice is not done to proven criminals in power at the very top.
It will be a sign to Americans that the law is meaningless and absolutely worthless.


I dare Barr to try and paper over the report. Watch what happens if he does. It won't be "leftist violence", no sir...it will be people from all sides who expect to see justice carried out and respect given to the law. Any attempt to even try to pull a stunt like that would be tantamount to the law itself aiding and abetting, and then covering up.


I seriously doubt that Americans will tolerate such an openly blatant and brazen disregard for core American values.

Again, I am NOT SAYING that the reaction would be dire if the report exonerates Trump and his crew, it would be upsetting but not fatal to the country. I am suggesting that if the report is deemed to be so bad that it is covered up and stashed away and nothing is ever done, it would set off a fatal reaction from many sides, from Americans from all walks of life.

Your thoughts??

 

[haymarket]

The Mueller report will be seen in full - one way or the other.

Bank on it.

If Trump is smart, it will be issued right away in full because sooner or later it will come out and then it will look twice as bad with Trump being accused with trying to hide it and cover it up.

 

[uptower]

The Mueller report will be seen in full - one way or the other.

Bank on it.

If Trump is smart, it will be issued right away in full because sooner or later it will come out and then it will look twice as bad with Trump being accused with trying to hide it and cover it up.

That won't stop him. More obstruction charges to add to the list...

 

[Lutherf]

In another thread, I responded to a friend's suggestion that the ultimate outcome of the Mueller report might be the equivalent of Americans being patted on the head and told, "Don't worry about it, nothing to see here, just forget it".
If the report says that nothing was serious enough to warrant impeachment, it's a tough pill to swallow but eventually we would have to, and move on.

If however, "we never get to see it and nothing is done - - to supposedly keep the country from imploding",
I guarantee you it's a sure-fire bet that the country WILL implode, and EXPLODE. If there is anything guaranteed to set off a bloody revolution, it's the notion that justice is not done to proven criminals in power at the very top.
It will be a sign to Americans that the law is meaningless and absolutely worthless.


I dare Barr to try and paper over the report. Watch what happens if he does. It won't be "leftist violence", no sir...it will be people from all sides who expect to see justice carried out and respect given to the law. Any attempt to even try to pull a stunt like that would be tantamount to the law itself aiding and abetting, and then covering up.


I seriously doubt that Americans will tolerate such an openly blatant and brazen disregard for core American values.

Again, I am NOT SAYING that the reaction would be dire if the report exonerates Trump and his crew, it would be upsetting but not fatal to the country. I am suggesting that if the report is deemed to be so bad that it is covered up and stashed away and nothing is ever done, it would set off a fatal reaction from many sides, from Americans from all walks of life.

Your thoughts??

What makes you think the country won't implode if the report is presented, unredacted, to the public and no indictment of Trump comes from it? Don't you think half the country will assume, in that scenario, that it's all a coverup and that a new investigation needs to be started just to prove that Mueller got the wool pulled over his eyes?

 

[What if...?]

In another thread, I responded to a friend's suggestion that the ultimate outcome of the Mueller report might be the equivalent of Americans being patted on the head and told, "Don't worry about it, nothing to see here, just forget it".
If the report says that nothing was serious enough to warrant impeachment, it's a tough pill to swallow but eventually we would have to, and move on.

If however, "we never get to see it and nothing is done - - to supposedly keep the country from imploding",
I guarantee you it's a sure-fire bet that the country WILL implode, and EXPLODE. If there is anything guaranteed to set off a bloody revolution, it's the notion that justice is not done to proven criminals in power at the very top.
It will be a sign to Americans that the law is meaningless and absolutely worthless.


I dare Barr to try and paper over the report. Watch what happens if he does. It won't be "leftist violence", no sir...it will be people from all sides who expect to see justice carried out and respect given to the law. Any attempt to even try to pull a stunt like that would be tantamount to the law itself aiding and abetting, and then covering up.


I seriously doubt that Americans will tolerate such an openly blatant and brazen disregard for core American values.

Again, I am NOT SAYING that the reaction would be dire if the report exonerates Trump and his crew, it would be upsetting but not fatal to the country. I am suggesting that if the report is deemed to be so bad that it is covered up and stashed away and nothing is ever done, it would set off a fatal reaction from many sides, from Americans from all walks of life.

Your thoughts??

The right has been laying the groundwork for a violent reaction from their foot soldiers for quite a while now.

Case in point, how many of our regulars are solidly in the "liberal conspiracy by the deep state to overthrow a duly elected president" camp.

I think some of them actually feel that way. (I suspect some of them are professionals)

And I'm not sure how they react if its as bad as it looks like it might be.

They're high on some powerful juju. The comedown may get ugly.

 

[Mr Person]

We will very likely not get an unredacted report. We will get statements about the report from those who can read it.

Trump's defenders, making every use they can of classified and like statuses to attack Hillary, will defend this. They will then take GOP defender statements as truth, run their fake victory laps, and be just as dishonest about this as they have been about everything.

To the extent we have ended up getting things we didn't initially get, we've seen that the GOP politicians (Nunes, et al) lied. For example, the nunes memo distorting the FISA application, at least as far as we are allowed to judge. The people who vote for them did not care. They want the "witch hunt" narrative fulfilled. The vast majority of them will attack Mueller and defend Trump. I can count on my hand the number of DP conservatives I trust to honestly evaluate what he says. Some DP liberals will no doubt assume guilt. The number will be less, given the distribution of leans, distribution of honest leans, and extent of left or right "ness".


It's a test: who can one trust?

A greater test: How much longer, really, can American democracy survive when political disagreement requires denial of reality?






I'll put this out there: any of you Trumpists who think I'm lying, you save this post in full. You put it in google drafts or a word document, or something. You save it. You use it against me if Mueller's report indicates criminality by Trump regarding the investigation, which includes - and you quote this too because I might just save it myself to rebut you when you lie - the following:

In part:

(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:

(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and

(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and

(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. s. 600.4(a).

(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.

(d) Sections 600.4 through 600.10 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are applicable to the special counsel.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...nt-Robert-Mueller-Special-Counsel-Russia.html

28 C.F.R. s. 600.4(a):

(a) . . . The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.


I further incorporate ALL relevant CFR provisions that govern special counsel regulations and DOJ guidelines. Character limit does not allow me to quote in full.

Your only remaining wiggle room would be to argue about what is impeachable. "High crimes and misdemeanors" is not defined, but the most convincing arguments I've read indicate that it has to do with crimes of corruption or sub-treason that have to do with obtaining an office or done using in part that office. That is the definition I will use when reading what is released.

I will not be reading statements of David Nunes or any such person who has been dishonest about this.

 

[What if...?]

What makes you think the country won't implode if the report is presented, unredacted, to the public and no indictment of Trump comes from it? Don't you think half the country will assume, in that scenario, that it's all a coverup and that a new investigation needs to be started just to prove that Mueller got the wool pulled over his eyes?

Its not the republicans doing the investigating?

They're pretty famous for calling for studies and investigations and then discarding them and doing another set until they get the result they want. (Drug war) Or can't get another going. (Benghazi).

 

[Amelia]

In another thread, I responded to a friend's suggestion that the ultimate outcome of the Mueller report might be the equivalent of Americans being patted on the head and told, "Don't worry about it, nothing to see here, just forget it".
If the report says that nothing was serious enough to warrant impeachment, it's a tough pill to swallow but eventually we would have to, and move on.

If however, "we never get to see it and nothing is done - - to supposedly keep the country from imploding",
I guarantee you it's a sure-fire bet that the country WILL implode, and EXPLODE. If there is anything guaranteed to set off a bloody revolution, it's the notion that justice is not done to proven criminals in power at the very top.
It will be a sign to Americans that the law is meaningless and absolutely worthless.


I dare Barr to try and paper over the report. Watch what happens if he does. It won't be "leftist violence", no sir...it will be people from all sides who expect to see justice carried out and respect given to the law. Any attempt to even try to pull a stunt like that would be tantamount to the law itself aiding and abetting, and then covering up.


I seriously doubt that Americans will tolerate such an openly blatant and brazen disregard for core American values.

Again, I am NOT SAYING that the reaction would be dire if the report exonerates Trump and his crew, it would be upsetting but not fatal to the country. I am suggesting that if the report is deemed to be so bad that it is covered up and stashed away and nothing is ever done, it would set off a fatal reaction from many sides, from Americans from all walks of life.

Your thoughts??

I don't see there being an uprising. I don't think most people care about it. I think that most people when polled have to wait for a hint from the pollster about whether something is a position that their side is supposed to care about it or not and they try to answer accordingly.

BUT if the Mueller report is covered up, then what might have been merely inconvenient investigations from Congress will become a fullblown nightmare from Trump. Congressional Democrats will not let the report be brushed quietly under the rug. They'll reinvestigate and relitigate every avenue Mueller would have followed.

 

[veritas1]

What makes you think the country won't implode if the report is presented, unredacted, to the public and no indictment of Trump comes from it? Don't you think half the country will assume, in that scenario, that it's all a coverup and that a new investigation needs to be started just to prove that Mueller got the wool pulled over his eyes?

I said something similar months ago. If Mueller finds nothing, those who fail to have their Trump hate sufficiently requited will then go on the attack against him. Bank on it.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Do you normally have this much trouble with English?
If you want to talk about the reaction if the report exonerates Trump and his boys, START YOUR OWN THREAD.

This thread is about what the reaction will be if the report is considered so damning that it is withheld IN WHOLE from the public.

 

[Grokmaster]

In another thread, I responded to a friend's suggestion that the ultimate outcome of the Mueller report might be the equivalent of Americans being patted on the head and told, "Don't worry about it, nothing to see here, just forget it".
If the report says that nothing was serious enough to warrant impeachment, it's a tough pill to swallow but eventually we would have to, and move on.

If however, "we never get to see it and nothing is done - - to supposedly keep the country from imploding",
I guarantee you it's a sure-fire bet that the country WILL implode, and EXPLODE. If there is anything guaranteed to set off a bloody revolution, it's the notion that justice is not done to proven criminals in power at the very top.
It will be a sign to Americans that the law is meaningless and absolutely worthless.


I dare Barr to try and paper over the report. Watch what happens if he does. It won't be "leftist violence", no sir...it will be people from all sides who expect to see justice carried out and respect given to the law. Any attempt to even try to pull a stunt like that would be tantamount to the law itself aiding and abetting, and then covering up.


I seriously doubt that Americans will tolerate such an openly blatant and brazen disregard for core American values.

Again, I am NOT SAYING that the reaction would be dire if the report exonerates Trump and his crew, it would be upsetting but not fatal to the country. I am suggesting that if the report is deemed to be so bad that it is covered up and stashed away and nothing is ever done, it would set off a fatal reaction from many sides, from Americans from all walks of life.

Your thoughts??

 

[iguanaman]

What makes you think the country won't implode if the report is presented, unredacted, to the public and no indictment of Trump comes from it? Don't you think half the country will assume, in that scenario, that it's all a coverup and that a new investigation needs to be started just to prove that Mueller got the wool pulled over his eyes?

LOL Guilty plea after guilty plea and you still cling to that fantasy? Collusion has been proven. Manafort shared internal campaign data with Russia and Mueller has proof. 100's of lies about Russian contacts have been revealed. There is nothing left to prove. Stick a fork in him. Trump is done. Even if GOP Senators won't impeach him it won't matter, The World will know that Trump sold out his country and that the GOP is complicit. I'm not sure the party can survive that.

 

[Acadia]

In another thread, I responded to a friend's suggestion that the ultimate outcome of the Mueller report might be the equivalent of Americans being patted on the head and told, "Don't worry about it, nothing to see here, just forget it".
If the report says that nothing was serious enough to warrant impeachment, it's a tough pill to swallow but eventually we would have to, and move on.

If however, "we never get to see it and nothing is done - - to supposedly keep the country from imploding",
I guarantee you it's a sure-fire bet that the country WILL implode, and EXPLODE. If there is anything guaranteed to set off a bloody revolution, it's the notion that justice is not done to proven criminals in power at the very top.
It will be a sign to Americans that the law is meaningless and absolutely worthless.


I dare Barr to try and paper over the report. Watch what happens if he does. It won't be "leftist violence", no sir...it will be people from all sides who expect to see justice carried out and respect given to the law. Any attempt to even try to pull a stunt like that would be tantamount to the law itself aiding and abetting, and then covering up.


I seriously doubt that Americans will tolerate such an openly blatant and brazen disregard for core American values.

Again, I am NOT SAYING that the reaction would be dire if the report exonerates Trump and his crew, it would be upsetting but not fatal to the country. I am suggesting that if the report is deemed to be so bad that it is covered up and stashed away and nothing is ever done, it would set off a fatal reaction from many sides, from Americans from all walks of life.

Your thoughts??

Welcome to what many millions felt the day Comey ticked off a long list of Hillary's criminal behaviors and told us she didn't mean to break the law. Welcome to how millions of us felt when Loretta Lynch met with Bill Clinton on the tarmac.
Doesn't feel good, does it?
Big difference, though. We didn't go ballistic, which the Left will if Mueller fails to deliver Trump's head on a platter.

 

[Acadia]

What makes you think the country won't implode if the report is presented, unredacted, to the public and no indictment of Trump comes from it? Don't you think half the country will assume, in that scenario, that it's all a coverup and that a new investigation needs to be started just to prove that Mueller got the wool pulled over his eyes?

If Mueller doesn't deliver, I hope he can get a Secret Service detail. You think the threats to the Covington teens were bad?
Hoo boy, look out.

 

[Acadia]

I said something similar months ago. If Mueller finds nothing, those who fail to have their Trump hate sufficiently requited will then go on the attack against him. Bank on it.

Hero to zero in 2 seconds flat. That's how they roll.

 

[Grokmaster]

LOL Guilty plea after guilty plea and you still cling to that fantasy? Collusion has been proven. Manafort shared internal campaign data with Russia and Mueller has proof. 100's of lies about Russian contacts have been revealed. There is nothing left to prove. Stick a fork in him. Trump is done. Even if GOP Senators won't impeach him it won't matter, The World will know that Trump sold out his country and that the GOP is complicit. I'm not sure the party can survive that.

For what? Please cite all the RUSSIAN COLLUSION INDICTMENTS.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Welcome to what many millions felt the day Comey ticked off a long list of Hillary's criminal behaviors and told us she didn't mean to break the law. Welcome to how millions of us felt when Loretta Lynch met with Bill Clinton on the tarmac.
Doesn't feel good, does it?
Big difference, though. We didn't go ballistic, which the Left will if Mueller fails to deliver Trump's head on a platter.

Again, apparently you have trouble with English.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

If Mueller doesn't deliver, I hope he can get a Secret Service detail. You think the threats to the Covington teens were bad?
Hoo boy, look out.

Again, you apparently have difficulty comprehending English, or you WANT the thread to be about something else so badly that you refuse to answer the question and you're deflecting instead.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

LOL Guilty plea after guilty plea and you still cling to that fantasy? Collusion has been proven. Manafort shared internal campaign data with Russia and Mueller has proof. 100's of lies about Russian contacts have been revealed. There is nothing left to prove. Stick a fork in him. Trump is done. Even if GOP Senators won't impeach him it won't matter, The World will know that Trump sold out his country and that the GOP is complicit. I'm not sure the party can survive that.

Lovely but the thread ASKS "What if the report is so damning that it is withheld entirely and buried?"

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Let's try again...

"What if the report is so damning that it is withheld entirely and buried?"

That was the original question. Is anyone willing to stick to the topic?

 

[Acadia]

Again, you apparently have difficulty comprehending English, or you WANT the thread to be about something else so badly that you refuse to answer the question and you're deflecting instead.

Oh, you can spew your personal insults all you want. I stand by what I wrote. BTW, if you want someone to click your link, let alone take you seriously (I don't), how about not throwing insults when courteous discourse will do.

 

[Barnacle]

Let's try again...

"What if the report is so damning that it is withheld entirely and buried?"

That was the original question. Is anyone willing to stick to the topic?

If that happens, I'll send you a pink ***** hat.

 

[iguanaman]

Lovely but the thread ASKS "What if the report is so damning that it is withheld entirely and buried?"

That ship sailed when Democrats took the House. They can simply subpoena Mueller and have him testify about the contents. I don't think any of it will make Pelosi squeamish if that's what you mean. We have all known what happened since 2016. The "plan" to stonewall and deny is cooked like a goose too. Everything we feared is true. What's the big deal about that?

 

[iguanaman]

Welcome to what many millions felt the day Comey ticked off a long list of Hillary's criminal behaviors and told us she didn't mean to break the law. Welcome to how millions of us felt when Loretta Lynch met with Bill Clinton on the tarmac.
Doesn't feel good, does it?
Big difference, though. We didn't go ballistic, which the Left will if Mueller fails to deliver Trump's head on a platter.

LOL Comey's list seems terribly tame compared to what Trump did to win the election. And if Lynch met with Russian Agents on the tarmac and denied it you WOULD have gone ballistic. Mueller has already "delivered Trump's head" and indicted much of Trump's campaign associates so...............

 

[Hypothetical]

if the report is damning why would it be withheld? it cannot be much worse than the accusations already leveled and believed-until-disproven.

the only logical reason other than national security, would be because the point is to keep everyone in doubt.