IF Trump gets the GOP nom. and wins the general....

[CanadaJohn]

That audience looks like my contemporaries. I'm getting too old.

 

[bubbabgone]

Huh???

You said Barack Obama is not of the Left.
So earlier I asked you ...
"Given Barack Obama's personal history, that is, the folks who he surrounded himself with for his formative years and beyond, exactly who were his moderating influences?"

 

[bubbabgone]

You are showing your ignorance of constitutional law again. After your embarrassment when trying to discuss constitutional law in relation to SSM, you would think you would avoid those topics...

You keep mixing me up with other people on this site.
Focus, Red, focus.

 

[Redress]

You keep mixing me up with other people on this site.
Focus, Red, focus.

No, not at all. Are you trying to avoid credit for your own posts now?

 

[bubbabgone]

No, not at all. Are you trying to avoid credit for your own posts now?

What did I say about SSM and the Constitution and when was it again?

 

[AlbqOwl]

I don't think "spreading the wealth" makes him a socialist. The fact that he's super friendly to big business shows me that he's not.

He has to be super friendly to big business because it is big business that gives him power over everybody else, and it is also big business that keeps him and other Democrats in power.

So again we have one reason Donald Trump is doing so well. He doesn't need big business to put him in power--he is big business--and therefore won't have a lot of cronies and contributors to pay off.

 

[shagg]

Ok..name 3....remember. "far right" candidates.

Huckabee, Santorum, Cruz.

Far right social conservative zealots.

And they're just the hardest to argue against, others certainly qualify imo.

 

[Zyphlin]

If Trump Wins it'll be because people are sick of an empty suit campaign on empty platitudes and lofty rhetoric without much substance and then proceeded to act in a unilateral authoritarian fashion.

In other news, if people like Ice Cream it's only because they are sick of having spent so many years eating dairy products that are mixed with sugar and various other flavors and then chilled to an incredibly cold temperature until it becomes a more solid substance.

 

[GunFora]

I don't think "spreading the wealth" makes him a socialist. The fact that he's super friendly to big business shows me that he's not.

That just shows me he is also a hypocrite.

 

[TheGoverness]

He has to be super friendly to big business because it is big business that gives him power over everybody else, and it is also big business that keeps him and other Democrats in power.

So again we have one reason Donald Trump is doing so well. He doesn't need big business to put him in power--he is big business--and therefore won't have a lot of cronies and contributors to pay off.

I actually agree with the second half of this. Donald Trump's not controlled by the GOP at all.

 

[clownboy]

It's a combination of factors that place Trump at the right time and place to be the right guy. Reaction to eight years of Obama coupled with nearly two decades of a congress the people cannot trust (as a whole, either party). Add in that the country is in the boiling of the frog stage of globalization where we're finally feeling the heat (and know scalding is imminent).


It's quite simple, folks are tired of presidents and politicians who treat us a part of the playing field to be leveled. No more playing fair with the world that doesn't give two damns for us.

 

[TheGoverness]

That just shows me he is also a hypocrite.

That shows me that Obama's NOT a socialist at all.

 

[roughdraft274]

you can thank the entire 8-year Obama administration for their divisive, socialist agenda. The People are tired of it all. We are sick of the far-left wing cronies. Sick of the GOP establishment who are nothing more than left wing cronies in disguise. Don't get me wrong...I am NOT a fan of Trump. I'm a Ted Cruz guy.
Any thoughts on why Trump is doing as well as he is?

Remember....Carter gave us Reagan.
Does your Obama '12 bumper sticker make you feel stupid yet?

Well this is just stupid.

Trump is doing well because he has cemented himself in his base of people that are either stupid, racist, gullible or very tired of establishment republicans.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

 

[GunFora]

Sorry - not buying it. Obama's socialist crap, as you call it, all came in his first term in office and he was reelected. Trump didn't rise because of Obama, he rose because he's Trump - a faux celebrity who makes the unimportant and powerless feel good because he's a foul mouthed shameless cretin and all the foul mouthed shameless cretins like him like that he's getting the attention they could never get. It's why they cheer every additional piece of garbage that escapes his lips.

Trump is a reflection of what is so wrong with a lot of America today. You're turning into a classless bunch of entitled loons and the pity is many of you just don't know it yet.

I agree with the entitled part....hence...Obama. Hence, Bernie and Hillary supporters. The self-entitled loons you refer to are lefties who believe the government owes them stuff....MY stuff.

 

[GunFora]

Huckabee, Santorum, Cruz.

Far right social conservative zealots.

And they're just the hardest to argue against, others certainly qualify imo.

Cruz is the most conservative of the three you mentioned. that doesn't make him far right. He's a Constitutionalist conservative.

 

[GunFora]

Well this is just stupid.

Trump is doing well because he has cemented himself in his base of people that are either stupid, racist, gullible or very tired of establishment republicans.

This has nothing to do with Obama.

Funny how this Election has nothing to do with Obama...yet in the '08 election, it had EVERYTHING to do with Bush. Funny how libs changes tunes to suit their narrative.

 

[AlbqOwl]

If Trump Wins it'll be because people are sick of an empty suit campaign on empty platitudes and lofty rhetoric without much substance and then proceeded to act in a unilateral authoritarian fashion.

In other news, if people like Ice Cream it's only because they are sick of having spent so many years eating dairy products that are mixed with sugar and various other flavors and then chilled to an incredibly cold temperature until it becomes a more solid substance.

Close. You are right that intelligent people are sick of politicians who say ANYTHING they are supposed to say in order to get elected. Then once they are safely in office, they seem to have no principles, character, or memory of what they promised. Donald Trump seems to offer an alternative to that. If he is half as good as he says he is, we have a chance to finally begin to implement some essential reforms and get back on track. If he isn't, we don't see that we have a hell of a lot to lose as to continue as we are and not even do as well as we are doing is unacceptable.

Your ice cream metaphor is interesting. I took it that you don't see Trump as any different from any other candidate? I would instead word it that people are tired of a product called ice cream containing high fructose corn syrup, emulsifiers, preservatives, and artificial flavors. They are ready to try a product containing real cream, real sugar, pure Vanilla or whatever unvarnished with a lot of processed garbage.

 

[Frank Apisa]

If Trump Wins it'll be because people are sick of an empty suit campaign on empty platitudes and lofty rhetoric without much substance and then proceeded to act in a unilateral authoritarian fashion.

In other news, if people like Ice Cream it's only because they are sick of having spent so many years eating dairy products that are mixed with sugar and various other flavors and then chilled to an incredibly cold temperature until it becomes a more solid substance.

Wow!

That was good.

In fact, that was great. Inspired and creative.

My congratulations.

 

[AlbqOwl]

I actually agree with the second half of this. Donald Trump's not controlled by the GOP at all.

No he isn't controlled by the Republicans. Nor is he controlled by the Democrats. Or any special interest group. Or by the media. That's why they all hate him.

 

[shagg]

Cruz is the most conservative of the three you mentioned. that doesn't make him far right. He's a Constitutionalist conservative.

Well, the fringe might not look like the fringe if you live in the fringe, it looks normal. Admirable even. The problem arises when you venture out and stumble headlong into reality.

The middle is a pretty sweet place to be. You don't have to defend or attack anyone based on party identification. Try it, all the cool kids are doing it.

 

[GunFora]

Well, the fringe might not look like the fringe if you live in the fringe, it looks normal. Admirable even. The problem arises when you venture out and stumble headlong into reality.

The middle is a pretty sweet place to be. You don't have to defend or attack anyone based on party identification. Try it, all the cool kids are doing it.

Normal is as normal does. I don't bend on principle.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Well, the fringe might not look like the fringe if you live in the fringe, it looks normal. Admirable even. The problem arises when you venture out and stumble headlong into reality.

The middle is a pretty sweet place to be. You don't have to defend or attack anyone based on party identification. Try it, all the cool kids are doing it.

Depends on whether that middle is 'moderate' or 'centrist'. As some define the moderates, those are the folks who don't stand on principle but rather on what's in it for me? So they will favor whichever position--right or left--they think is most favorable to them personally.

A centrist, however, is not so interested in self gratification as in what is the right thing to do apart from general ideology. The obscure Centrist Party defines centrism as:

--Centrism is not about doing what is popular, it is about doing what is right.
--Centrism is not moderate but rather supports strength, tradition, open mindedness and policy based on evidence not ideology.
--Centrism is not about compromise but rather allows for it as reasonable.

So in that regard we could argue all day on whether the progressives aka Democrats or conservatives aka Republicans are the most centrist.

But in a discussion on Donald Trump, his perspective seems to fit the centrists pretty well. And he would probably add a fourth and fifth definition:

--Centrism is not about political correctness but tells it like it is.

--Centrism is not about getting along with everybody but rather focuses on what the problem is and how to solve it.

 

[notquiteright]

Normal is as normal does. I don't bend on principle.

Which is why I believe many like you are going to be left out in the political cold. One man's unbending principle is for most of us fringe lunatic ideology...

But it is a free country- all unbending principle claims aside... eace

 

[GunFora]

Which is why I believe many like you are going to be left out in the political cold. One man's unbending principle is for most of us fringe lunatic ideology...

But it is a free country- all unbending principle claims aside... eace

I see that you are a Progressive. May I ask which Conservative ideas you have no problem accepting?

 

[roughdraft274]

Funny how this Election has nothing to do with Obama...yet in the '08 election, it had EVERYTHING to do with Bush. Funny how libs changes tunes to suit their narrative.

Well, let's actually use logic. I'll try to go slow.

In 2008 we had an incredibly unpopular president with two very unpopular wars and an economy that sucked dick for crack. It was at rock bottom. Therefor it was very reasonable to assume that there were large swaths of people that were going to come out and vote simply to make sure that our next president wasn't like the sorry ****er that just tanked our economy and our standing in the world. But all in all, Obama won because Obama ran a great campaign, not because of Bush. If Hillary had beat Obama, she would have won, because Bush had sucked the wind out of all Republican enthusiasm. Period.

In 2016 we have a president with decent popularity, an economy on the upswing, and even though the middle east is still a quagmire like always, we aren't losing thousands of our boys in the mean time. So it's kind of hard to run an "anti-Obama" campaign when anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass can clearly see that they are better off than they were 8 years ago.

My entire comment had to do with "Trump has nothing to do with Obama" and it's true. And bush didn't give us Obama either. What Bush gave us was a scenario where any democratic candidate that ran even a mediocre campaign would have won the election. But it wouldn't matter if that candidate was Obama, Hillary or one of the others.

Does that help you out?