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Some critics blamed the failure at Midway on the use of obsolete aircraft. The inappropriately named Devastator torpedo planes proved no match for the Japanese fighters. Even the Avengers, its schedule replacements, were riddled with bullets and rendered unflyable. Secretary of War Stimson dodged the question saying simply: "You go to war with the Navy you have, not the Navy you want or would like to have". Critics immediately called for his resignation.
June 6, 1944. -NORMANDY- Three hundred French civilians were killed and thousands more wounded today in the first hours of America's invasion of continental Europe. Casualties were heaviest among women and children.
Most of the French casualties were the result of artillery fire from American ships attempting to knock out German fortifications prior to the landing of hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops. Reports from a makeshift hospital in the French town of St. Mere Eglise said the carnage was far worse than the French had anticipated and reaction against the American invasion was running high. "We are dying for no reason," said a Frenchman speaking on condition of anonymity. "Americans can't even shoot straight. I never thought I'd say this, but life was better under Adolph Hitler."
The invasion also caused severe environmental damage. American troops, tanks, trucks and machinery destroyed miles of pristine shoreline and thousands of acres of ecologically sensitive wetlands. It was believed that the habitat of the spineless French crab was completely wiped out, threatening the species with extinction. A representative of Greenpeace said his organization, which had tried to stall the invasion for over a year, was appalled at the destruction, but not surprised. "This is just another example of how the military destroys the environment without a second thought, " said Christine Moanmore. "And it's all about corporate greed."
Contacted at his Manhattan condo, a member of the French government-in-exile who abandoned Paris when Hitler invaded said the invasion was based solely on American financial interests. "Everyone knows the President Roosevelt has ties to big beer," said Pierre LeWimp. "Once the German beer industry is conquered, Roosevelt's beer cronies will control the world market and make a fortune."
Administration supporters said America's aggressive actions were based in part on the assertions of controversial scientist Albert Einstein, who sent a letter to Roosevelt speculating that the Germans were developing a secret weapon, a so-called "atomic bomb." Such a weapon could produce casualties on a scale never seen before and cause environmental damage that could last for thousands of years. Hitler has denied having such a weapon and international inspectors were unable to locate such weapons even after spending two long weekends in Germany.
Shortly after the invasion began reports surfaced that German prisoners had been abused by Americans. Mistreatment of Jews by Germans at so-called "concentration camps" has been rumored but so far, remains unproven.
Several thousand Americans died during the first hours of the invasion and French officials are concerned that uncollected corpses pose a public health risk. "The Americans should have planned for this in advance," they said. "It's their mess and we don't intend to clean it up.
I believe that one of the current idiots in our government said the same thing about us going into Iraq.:roflM14 Shooter said:"You go to war with the Navy you have, not the Navy you want or would like to have".
Old and wise said:I believe that one of the current idiots in our government said the same thing about us going into Iraq.:rofl
Thats not the issue.Australianlibertarian said:Nothing has changed. The media back then got its information from censored millitary briefs. Fast forward to the War in Iraq, and you have censored, sanitised millitary briefs.
M14 Shooter said:Thats not the issue.
The issue is the slant that the media puts on the facts given to them.
All of the facts in the Midway 'story' were correct, except that the hypothetical media outlest spun said facts into a defeat for the US in place of the overwhelming victory we all know.
Is it at all a stretch to say that this is going on with the reporting in Iraq? Of course not.
This is what happens when facts are filtered through an agenda.
M14 Shooter said:http://www.strategypage.com/hotstuff/articles/humor20051121123.asp
This would be funnier if it weren't true.
mpg said:Say whatever you want about Fox News, but they're out numbered by ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN.
Edit: BTW, those Fox jokes are exaggerated. The others aren't.
cnredd said:That's all they know what to do...When they can't debate, they throw up photoshopped pictures that any 4 year old can do and say "Wow...I'm SOOOOOO creative!"...
Check out the "Anti-Bush Photos" thread in the "On the lighter side" forum...
Currently, there are 102 pictures in that thread...a few repeats...
Here's the breakdown...
Outright photoshopped or legitimate pictures, but with captions meaning to insult - 70
Cartoons - 11
Actual untouched photos with no surrounding BS(ready for this?) - 7
Here's the kicker - All of the ones that referenced the War on Iraq as a positve? 14 - ALL of them legitimate...
Your sarcasm is duly noted...and wrong...that statement is actually a true one...hipsterdufus said:Last week, if I would have put up a photoshop picture saying that O'Reilly would bomb SanFransico, you would have thought that a humourless joke as well. :roll:
cnredd said:What the hell is with these photoshopped pictures?
I can understand a picture where someone is legitimately in a compromising position or a real flub, but to make one up does nothing to add to debate...:roll:
cnredd said:That's all they know what to do...When they can't debate, they throw up photoshopped pictures that any 4 year old can do and say "Wow...I'm SOOOOOO creative!"...
Check out the "Anti-Bush Photos" thread in the "On the lighter side" forum...
Currently, there are 102 pictures in that thread...a few repeats...
Here's the breakdown...
Outright photoshopped or legitimate pictures, but with captions meaning to insult - 70
Cartoons - 11
Actual untouched photos with no surrounding BS(ready for this?) - 7
Here's the kicker - All of the ones that referenced the War on Iraq as a positve? 14 - ALL of them legitimate...
BWG said:Wasn't this thread started as a joke, rather than a debate?
I am not speaking as a Moderator of the forum...I am speaking purely as a forum member(We're allowed to do that)...:2wave:BWG said:Why would it be inappropriate to follow with photoshopped pictures with this theme?
Australianlibertarian said:It is wrong to give the public censored, sanitised news briefs on the war. Period.
You can put right/left/liberal/conservative whatever slant you want on it, but it propaganda, period.
If you guys think that everything would be better if more favourable slant was put on government controlled briefs so be it. I find that crazy.
I want all of the facts, not government spoon fed propaganda, that is then rehased liberal or conservative, for the various demographics in America.
You have FOX News and they may put a more favourable slant on the war.
Point is that CNN and FOX News are not getting the full story, because the millitary is not giving journalists the same acess to information, as was the case of the Vietnam War.
So regardless of the political slant of the reporting, the deception by the government remains the same, because of censorship.
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