If today you can't stand Trump as POTUS, was there a time when you were willing to give him a shot?

[Captain America]

Trump is AWESOME!

I am going to miss him when he is gone.

Maybe get a puppy........

Have a nice weekend HE10 and bless your heart. :2wave:

 

[Mycroft]

I know you must be proud of Trump lying to the American people almost every time he opens his mouth. Then there is the non stop corruption within his organization.

Please. Don't spout spin crap at me. I've heard all that stuff more than I can tolerate. Especially when it is irrelevant to what I've said.

 

[Floridafan]

Please. Don't spout spin crap at me. I've heard all that stuff more than I can tolerate. Especially when it is irrelevant to what I've said.

Trump lies and trump corruption are never irrelevant!

 

[Mycroft]

You are not the only person in NYC who can't stand him. I knew people from there, when GWB was in office, so this is early 2000s, complaining about his business reputation and lying. They were saying then that he was lying about how much he was worth, and people thought he was wealthier than he actually was.

It's kind of interesting that people were saying that back then. It's also weird that Trump would create a false imagine for himself about his wealth.

Then Obama got elected and suddenly none of those New Yorkers cared about lying politicians and lying Obama.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Okay....From where I sit, your guess is as good as mine.

The second sentence was a guess. He definitely asserted that he was a Leftist and a Socialist.

 

[Amelia]

Adding to the above, think it's normal for a billionaire to steal money for his personal use from his charity? Jeepers....

From what I hear, it is frequently done.

Family foundations being set up as slush funds but with the perks which come from being called a charitable organization.


But most of those people don't drag their silver spoon babies into legal jeopardy by running for president.

 

[ecofarm]

Yeah, I pretty much can’t stand him now. But here are a couple previous posts about Trump by me.

A friend and I decided to attempt to maintain political decorum and look on the bright side. I'm still holding. I've never bashed Trump, I defend him against blatantly unfair attacks and I highlight that which I agree with. My friend gave up months ago, he's what might be described here as having "TDS". My friend is a good man of considerable will, but he hasn't the experience to remain Stoic against disappointment.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Trump has been an utterly despicable human being my entire life. I knew he would be an absolutely human being as president, and I am certain that a hundred years from now that is exactly how history books will write about him. The whole world knows that Trump is an ignorant scumbag other than his cult of supporters here in the states.

He is the only president in my entire life that I have personally disliked.

 

[Cardinal]

Like Kobie, I grew up while he was building his reputation on being a sensationalist scumbag bankrupt tabloid clown. I already "gave him a chance" insofar as he had the opportunity to present himself as a decent, competent human being, in which he failed repeatedly.

Ignoring all that, however, he blew it during the campaign by refusing to reveal his tax returns, insulting people using misogynistic and racist slurs, using White Supremacist language, bragging about committing sexual assault, lying repeatedly, being a Birther, professing to want to bring industry back to America while keeping factories in the one country with the lowest wages in the world, having zero political experience and conning regular Americans out of nearly a quarter billion dollars in his university scam.

And if all of that doesn't qualify as "giving him a chance, then you need to clearly explain what "giving him a chance" even means.

 

[Xelor]

The second sentence was a guess. He definitely asserted that he was a Leftist and a Socialist.

Truly, I don't care whether he's a Socialist, Leftist, Rightist, Totalitarian or Libertarian. I care only about what he (or anyone) says to me. To date, he hasn't said enough to me (quoting my post) that strikes me as being so damn insipid that I decide he so infrequently has something of note to contribute that it's not worth my allowing his posts to occupy space in my browser window and thus opt to add him to my ignore list. So leftist, Socialist or otherwise, he's not so bad as that.


(And, no, the above is not an example of my damning him with faint praise because I mean it as neither damnation nor as praise. It's merely a statement of his status. On the upside, though, I do at least recognize his ID and have come to notice the nature of his remarks, which is more than I can say for all but a few other posters.)

 

[Xelor]

From what I hear, it is frequently done.

Family foundations being set up as slush funds but with the perks which come from being called a charitable organization.


But most of those people don't drag their silver spoon babies into legal jeopardy by running for president.

That's a jaundiced view of the matter in that (1) for people in the league I think you have in mind will enjoy what most folks think of as perqs foundation or no foundation and (2) with very rare exception, the things most folks would call perqs are more necessary than they are perqs for people at the half-billion-plus level of wealth and who lead very busy lives because time is more valuable than money.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Background

For the most part I quit watching TV years ago. Sports and an occasional movie are pretty much my TV experience. It was probably 10 or 15 years ago when I stopped watching TV news. Because it wasn't news.

I could not name one local television station by call letters or channel number. Not one. I would not recognize one local talking head, from any local station, nor do I know their names.

Nationally I have seen clips of or read about network news talking heads, but then again, I wouldn't recognize most of them.

The Phoenix paper is and has always been pretty crappy. I often don't read it.


Point

Prior to the campaign I had little to no exposure to Donald Trump. I have never seen nor heard of the Apprentice until sometime in 2015. I was a little bit familiar with Trump's name. Long before the presidential campaign I had already dismissed Trump as narcissistic asshole. As such I paid no attention to him at all. To this day I don't know anything about his reality show.

The presidential campaign necessitated knowing more about and understanding Donald Trump. The more I discovered about Trump the more underwhelmed I became.

Trump in my opinion has always been a low talent jerk off and my feelings have not changed. There is no chance in hell I would ever vote for Trump.


A Hillary Minute

Bill and Hillary Clinton would/will never receive my vote. Hillary was just a gawdawful candidate. I will admit that for a moment I considered voting against Trump by voting for Hillary. I quickly decided that voting for Hillary and her gang of anti-democratic chancers would be tantamount to kicking myself in the balls. If I had had any doubt - I didn't - all of Hillary's Machiavellian gymnastics double confirmed my opinion that when it came down to it Hillary was/is probably more duplicitous than Bill.

I voted third party. Given what I know I'd still vote third party.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

It's also weird that Trump would create a false imagine for himself about his wealth.

Trump only cares about Donald Trump and Donald Trump's wealth. So it's really not that weird.

I think even his most cult like supporters will be a little shocked how Trump is going to handle things once NYS starts going after his family. Trumpsters are brainwashed and ignorant so they'll still support him, BUT I think even they will be surprised that even when investigators and prosecutors start putting the heat on his family Donald Trump will still only care about Donald Trump and his wealth.

 

[Amelia]

That's a jaundiced view of the matter in that (1) for people in the league I think you have in mind will enjoy what most folks think of as perqs foundation or no foundation and (2) with very rare exception, the things most folks would call perqs are more necessary than they are perqs for people at the half-billion-plus level of wealth and who lead very busy lives because time is more valuable than money.

Sorry. I don't understand what you said.

I don't necessarily think that family foundation abuse is widespread.

Just that Trump's bunch aren't alone in it.

 

[Xelor]

Sorry. I don't understand what you said.

I don't necessarily think that family foundation abuse is widespread.

Just that Trump's bunch aren't alone in it.

The clarification you offered is sufficient and not at all a jaundiced take on the matter. Abuses indeed occur, though they are the exception not the norm, and the Trumps aren't alone in abusing their family foundation. That the Trumps aren't alone doesn't, however, mean that they should not "pay the price" for having abused their foundation.

Leaders don't get ahead by following the crowd.
-- Dad​

 

[SheWolf]

Trump only cares about Donald Trump and Donald Trump's wealth. So it's really not that weird.

I think even his most cult like supporters will be a little shocked how Trump is going to handle things once NYS starts going after his family. Trumpsters are brainwashed and ignorant so they'll still support him, BUT I think even they will be surprised that even when investigators and prosecutors start putting the heat on his family Donald Trump will still only care about Donald Trump and his wealth.

Let me ask you about this... we were talking about what he might to in another thread. Some were saying, that Trump could go to Russia or the Russian Embassy, and act like Snowden and try to get some kind refugee. This is usually sound totally insane, but it's Trump, and he is really good at shocking decision making.

I had this horrible thought enter my mind. I thought, what if, he is sitting there and sees no way out. He knows his legacy will be tarnished and he will be exposed. His enemies (media personalities) will be on TV reporting it all. He can't handle that, but he would still really want to control the message in some way... even control his legacy... so how likely would it be, he kills himself. This thought really came into my mind.

I love true crime. I read about all kinds of weird stuff, and some people do kill themselves as a means of control. Some of them also, like Jim Jones, they are victims in their deaths. They are always the victim and the martyr.

I am not hoping that such a thing happens, but the thought entered my mind.

And if that were to happen, I think his loyal supporters would see him a victim, witch hunt out of control, etc. etc.

In any case, I hope who he really is gets exposed, and I hope we get answers about his campaign activity.

 

[SheWolf]

Adding to the above, think it's normal for a billionaire to steal money for his personal use from his charity? Jeepers....

Yes, I know Hillary seemed corrupt and she had her controversies (some real, and some totally made up like Pizza Gate), but if anybody paid attention, Trump was far worse than Hillary. He had people chanting, lock her up, lock her up. Trump supporters had signs that read, Hillary Clinton for Prison.

And in all reality, they elected somebody way more corrupt than Hillary and his morals are nearly non existent. What kind of father says his daughter is a piece of ass, and if he wasn't related to her, he would be dating her?

That is so creepy and narcissistic... but BETTER than Hillary, claim his supporters.

As for Trump himself, he is a massive idiot for running for president and knowing all the dirt on himself.

 

[JMR]

Was I willing to give him a shot? Of course not. He has demonstrated throughout his public life, and his reprehensible campaign that he is totally unfit for the office.

 

[Nickyjo]

Trump is AWESOME!

I am going to miss him when he is gone.

Anyway we can accelerate the process so we all can miss him sooner?

Seriously, I will miss the entertainment, if not the corruption, lies, etc.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Why? I don’t get why you swing off his nuts constantly.

And he confided to me the other day that he's a "socialist" LOL.

 

[iguanaman]

I sat out the last general election because of Trump and Hillary.

My conscience is clean.

Obama wasn't exactly a boy scout, but he was ok in comparison to those two morons.

Sorry but not voting does not give you a "clean conscience". You have abdicated on your most important duty as an American. All of us were given plenty of warnings from both sides about who Trump was and how dangerous he would be as President. Ignoring them was not the answer.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I don't know that I even believe Hawkeye. He likes to say provocative unspecific things for the purpose of inciting aimless argy-barby.

Argy Bargy is his raison d'être. :lamo

Aside from the fact that Trump was so slimy, oily, weasely and unctuous to the point where it was cringeworthy, to add his steroid enhanced arrogance to the mix put him in the Top Ten List of people you'd like to punch when I was a young man.
As a punk kid, I liked the fact that he had all that dough but it was clear that the only way he enjoyed it was rubbing other people's faces in it.
Other filthy rich types just seemed to enjoy themselves more, and Trump just grew more and more smug and insufferable as time went by. One day around 2000 or so he popped up on TV, talking about running for Prez. I was over at my then 80 year old mom's house for dinner. She immediately rolled her eyes, "Look at him, such a crook, he's like an Il Duce, you know?"

"WHO?"

"Il Duce, Mussolini, you don't know your history, Jeffery?"

"Ohhhh, oh right, Mussolini."

"Look at the way he talks and carries himself, he looks and talks just like him!"

She was right, he really did look and act a lot like Mussolini, his facial expressions, his arrogance, he was a weasel.
And she'd grown up in Italy as a little girl under Mussolini and his fascist blackshirts.

And my whole family was New York based, my mother's side and my father's side...German immigrants and Italian immigrants, all New Yorkers and they all knew all about Donald Trump and Fred Trump from long ago.
My uncle and my grandfather had worked for a company that had some association with Fred Trump and the young Donald many years ago and both already had a reputation in the tri-state area as slumlords who never paid their contractors.
Donald Trump was well known in the region for carrying on the same game and expanding it into the big time.

I never ever EVER took his run for the White House seriously, until Michael Moore predicted that he was going to win.
God, I wished he'd been wrong. But he wasn't.

Hillary sucked so badly as a candidate that I thought we'd end up with Ted Cruz as Prezzy with a slim Dem Senate majority and gridlock, and some griping, a survivable event...maybe Kasich, not the end of the world.

 

[Rogue Valley]

I didn't vote for Trump (or Hillary) and considered his election campaign-promises as populist hooey and dishonest, but decided to see how things went.

It didn't take long. The inauguration crowd size outright lie by Sean Spicer (with the Conway 'alternative-facts' garbage) turned me off, the House Republicans (Jan. 2, 2017) voted to effectively kill the Office of Congressional Ethics watchdog, and it became obvious [to me] that Trump was going to stonewall on releasing his tax returns, and his Trump Organization management arrangement (no blind trust at all) was a sham.

The first few weeks were more than enough for me. Done.

 

[jimbo]

In relation to the OP, I’ve NEVER understood why someone being a Fortune 500 CEO was considered a positive towards someone’s presidential credentials. A F500 CEO’s job is to make money and please shareholders, which is NOT THE JOB OF THE PRESIDENT.

“We should run the country like a business” is the single most moronic line ever uttered by any political pundit in the history of ever.

And a mediocre Chicago community organizer who EEO'd his way through life is?

 

[Logician Man]

And a mediocre Chicago community organizer who EEO'd his way through life is?

The first African-American President of the United States of America.