If there is a referendum on Abortion...

[GarzaUK]

I'm not interested in for or against abortion rather if it does come down to a referendum, should it be only women who vote, since it is THEIR bodies that is affected not a man's. A woman's body is her own property, so should a man get a vote on a woman's property?

 

[Felicity]

I'm not interested in for or against abortion rather if it does come down to a referendum, should it be only women who vote, since it is THEIR bodies that is affected not a man's. A woman's body is her own property, so should a man get a vote on a woman's property?

Do the babies at risk get to vote?

 

[GarzaUK]

Do the babies at risk get to vote?

No because they are under 18 years of age. Are you feeling okay?? :shock: :2wave:

 

[Felicity]

No because they are under 18 years of age. Are you feeling okay?? :shock: :2wave:

Well...your premise is incorrect that the woman's body is the only one affected--the little one's body usually gets dismembered.

I think a man should have a right to express his interest in the life or death of his child.

 

[C Foster]

I'm not interested in for or against abortion rather if it does come down to a referendum, should it be only women who vote, since it is THEIR bodies that is affected not a man's. A woman's body is her own property, so should a man get a vote on a woman's property?

This is a democracy, are you feeling OK?

 

[Just Me 2]

Yes the father should have a say in what happens to his child so therefor should also have a vote in any referendum.

 

[talloulou]

I'm not interested in for or against abortion rather if it does come down to a referendum, should it be only women who vote, since it is THEIR bodies that is affected not a man's. A woman's body is her own property, so should a man get a vote on a woman's property?

Unborn humans should not be viewed as property and since fathers help to create the unborn and are as equally responsible for the well being of their offspring as mothers are I'd say men have a vested interest in voting on any abortion referendums.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

No, the "father" should not have any say on whether or not an unborn child conceived by him is aborted; it is not his body the pregnancy is occurring to, and whether his biological paternity translates into fatherhood is entirely at the sole discretion of the mother-- whether she gives birth to the child or not.

However, men should certainly be allowed to vote in any referendum concerning abortion laws. Not only was every living man once a fetus himself, but the laws of society are everyone's business.

 

[talloulou]

No, the "father" should not have any say on whether or not an unborn child conceived by him is aborted; it is not his body the pregnancy is occurring to, and whether his biological paternity translates into fatherhood is entirely at the sole discretion of the mother-- whether she gives birth to the child or not.

However, men should certainly be allowed to vote in any referendum concerning abortion laws. Not only was every living man once a fetus himself, but the laws of society are everyone's business.

Sounds like you are saying two different things at the same time.

 

[C Foster]

No, the "father" should not have any say on whether or not an unborn child conceived by him is aborted; it is not his body the pregnancy is occurring to, and whether his biological paternity translates into fatherhood is entirely at the sole discretion of the mother-- whether she gives birth to the child or not.

However, men should certainly be allowed to vote in any referendum concerning abortion laws. Not only was every living man once a fetus himself, but the laws of society are everyone's business.

Would paying maintenance be at the discretion of the father?

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Sounds like you are saying two different things at the same time.

Not really. In the latter paragraph, I am saying that all adults in society-- including all men-- have the right to determine what the laws shall be concerning the rights and proper treatment of the unborn. This law would apply to every unborn child and every woman who carries one.

In the former paragraph, I am stating that if the law allows women to destroy their unborn children, it cannot justly restrict this right to some women by allowing another person to override their decisions. A legal ban on abortion would be the government-- hopefully in accordance with society-- saying that this right does not exist and that unborn children have a right to life; allowing abortion but allowing the biological father to veto it is saying that the right to abort exists, but that men have the right to commandeer womens' reproductive organs as long as they've had intercourse recently.

Would paying maintenance be at the discretion of the father?

He should be allowed the choice, once, when the child's mother declares him to be the father. This decision is permanent and binding, unless he refuses and she offers again; likewise, if he accepts, her decision to declare him the father is equally binding and cannot be rescinded.

 

[C Foster]

He should be allowed the choice, once, when the child's mother declares him to be the father. This decision is permanent and binding, unless he refuses and she offers again; likewise, if he accepts, her decision to declare him the father is equally binding and cannot be rescinded.

Cut the waffle, it is a yes or no question.

Would paying maintenance be at the discretion of the father?

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

My answer was straightforward.

He has the option of accepting paternity or refusing it. If he accepts, he is obligated to pay maintenance and may not forsake the child later. If he refuses, he is under no obligation, but has no claim to the child.

 

[Edify_Always_In_All_Ways]

I say we make it fair- give the woman involved two votes, and the man one

Seems only fair, considring the man can always have a quick kid with someone else if they don't like it.

 

[Jerry]

I'm not interested in for or against abortion rather if it does come down to a referendum, should it be only women who vote, since it is THEIR bodies that is affected not a man's. A woman's body is her own property, so should a man get a vote on a woman's property?

Only veterans get to vote on the war?

Strange that there are PCers who would silence PC men, and based only on their gender, no less.

 

[C Foster]

My answer was straightforward.

He has the option of accepting paternity or refusing it. If he accepts, he is obligated to pay maintenance and may not forsake the child later. If he refuses, he is under no obligation, but has no claim to the child.

Then the logic that follows suggests he ought to have a say, should his child be threatened with abortion.

 

[jallman]

Do the babies at risk get to vote?

There are no "babies" at risk. And the zygotes/fetuses/embryos in question don't even have capacity to think let alone vote. Let's drop the hysterics please.

 

[C Foster]

There are no "babies" at risk. And the zygotes/fetuses/embryos in question don't even have capacity to think let alone vote. Let's drop the hysterics please.

Could I claim that you are not at risk if someone threatens to kill you when you become an OAP?

 

[jallman]

Could I claim that you are not at risk if someone threatens to kill you when you become an OAP?

What is an OAP? Nevermind, it's just more of your silliness that you try to pawn off as debate.

 

[C Foster]

What is an OAP? Nevermind, it's just more of your silliness that you try to pawn off as debate.

An OAP is an old age pensioner, has the penny dropped yet?

 

[jallman]

An OAP is an old age pensioner, has the penny dropped yet?

As an old age pensioner, I will have had personhood established. Did you have a point or are you just babbling...again? Do you have any grasp on the concepts you are trying to discuss?

 

[Felicity]

As an old age pensioner, I will have had personhood established. Did you have a point or are you just babbling...again? Do you have any grasp on the concepts you are trying to discuss?

Just don't fall asleep--you can't demonstrate the qualities of personhood.:shock:

 

[jallman]

Just don't fall asleep--you can't demonstrate the qualities of personhood.:shock:

I most certainly can. Organized brain activity does not stop when one falls asleep.

 

[Felicity]

I most certainly can. Organized brain activity does not stop when one falls asleep.

I don't know about you, but I don't hook myself up to a brain wave monitor when I nod off. I'm not "demonstrating" nothing.

 

[jallman]

I don't know about you, but I don't hook myself up to a brain wave monitor when I nod off. I'm not "demonstrating" nothing.

And I don't know about your mom, but mine never hooked me to a brain wave monitor when I was in utero. Fetuses demonstrate nothing either, then, by your enforcement of Schrodinger's Cat logic.