If Republicans do get back into power, what are they going to do?

[Chappy]

The question remains, what will Republicans do if they get back into power? All I've heard so far is that to win they mustn't be specific about too much.

Excerpted from “Peter King: Republicans Shouldn’t ‘Lay Out A Complete Agenda,’ Because It Might Become ‘A Campaign Issue’” By Alex Seitz-Wald, “Incompetent Establishment,” Think Progress, Jul 16th, 2010 at 9:59 am
… [SIZE="+2"]R[/SIZE]ep. Peter King (R-NY) was perhaps a little too honest yesterday, explaining to radio host Bill Bennett that Republicans shouldn’t “lay out a complete agenda,” because then people would be able to scrutinize it and make it “a campaign issue”:

BENNETT: Is it enough for Republicans to say we are opposed to what [Obama's] doing — stimulus, health care, we don’t like what he’s doing with the government, and look at the job situation — or do we need to have meat on the bones? And say, this is what we are for? Do we have to have positive proposals? [...]

KING: So, It’s a combination of being against what Obama is for, and also giving certain specifics of what we are for. Having said that, I don’t think we have to lay out a complete agenda, from top to bottom, because then we would have the national mainstream media jumping on every point trying to make that a campaign issue.​

So, here's your chance, what do you think they're not telling us? What will Republicans do if they get back into power?

 

[deltabtry]

Between the new Finance Reform and the new Health Care bill, am guessing the amount of regulation that Small Business has to endure/bear is about to go up quite a bit. Either directly or indirectly....



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Oh yea, wait till this cats out of the bag...more unemployed although a funny thing is that this reform doesn't even touch freddie and fannie, because Barney Franks and Chris Dodd wrote the bill, who was in charge of these two entities...corruption you got to love it. This two asshats are in our face with corruption yet they are still being elected when the both of them should be locked up.

 

[deltabtry]

The question remains, what will Republicans do if they get back into power? All I've heard so far is that to win they mustn't be specific about too much.



So, here's your chance, what do you think they're not telling us? What will Republicans do if they get back into power?

The problem is, is that you state your question by labeling one party or the next. Niether the Republican party or the Democratic party are the answer, the answer is with what a candidate will stand up for. That said, just about the entire democratic party should be fired with about the same amount in the republican party. Both parties have been pissing down our back and telling the voters it's raining.

 

[obvious Child]

Actually, I would not. It does point to a real problem though. Every one talks about wanting to balance the budget, but no one has the courage to say that balancing the budget is going to hurt, and hurt alot, and will probably hurt every one. Until politicians have the courage to say that, nothing is going to actually get done.

Pretty much. To actually get the budget back in balance, we'd need to substantially cut medicare. That will decimate a sizable portion of the economy from medical equipment providers to doctors. And that will hurt all of the companies and people the equipment providers hire and buy from and the doctors who spend the money. Then we'd need to hack down Social Security, which will be a huge impact to the elderly. That will then cause the generation after them to pick up the costs substantially reducing their discretionary spending and hurting many sectors of the economy. Retail is going to suck and that's an understatement. And then we'd have to cut the military back, which obviously will put many soldiers out of work as well as impact the defense contractors. The mere damage down the supply chain will be immense. Like it or not, the economy is extremely dependent upon entitlement and military spending. And there is no way we can balance the budget by hitting discretionary spending. It's going to take cuts to entitlement and military as well as higher taxes.

This is why Friedman says America is broken. When Democrats won't cut for fear of being voted out and Republicans won't raise taxes for fear of being voted out, we have no other option to increase spending and increase deficits.

And who is ultimately to blame? The voters.

 

[Redress]

regulation and government corruption is the biggest killer of business or at least here in the northeast. My company moved from one town to the next, original price tag 3.5 million, final cost 10 million, after complying to over regulations, payoffs, court battles.

So because your company picked the wrong place to move to(court battles should be a key in realizing this), it's somehow the government's fault.

 

[Chappy]

… And who is ultimately to blame? The voters.

Yada. Yada. Still not answering the thread question, what will Republicans do if they get back into power?

 

[obvious Child]

Yada. Yada. Still not answering the thread question, what will Republicans do if they get back into power?

Stick with deficit spending. The GOP knows full well it cannot touch social security and medicare. And it won't cut the military (aside from Gates, but he's executive not legislative). The GOP will cut taxes and keep spending and our debt will grow higher and higher. They'll attack some discretionary, but that won't solve our problem. Discretionary spending is effectively immaterial to balancing the budget.

 

[Chappy]

When Republicans ran the whole show, the presidency, the House and the Senate, they couldn't pass a budget without thousands of anonymous earmarks. Expect more of that.

 

[pragmatic]

Stick with deficit spending. The GOP knows full well it cannot touch social security and medicare. And it won't cut the military (aside from Gates, but he's executive not legislative). The GOP will cut taxes and keep spending and our debt will grow higher and higher. They'll attack some discretionary, but that won't solve our problem. Discretionary spending is effectively immaterial to balancing the budget.

They may propose cutting taxes. Or cutting existing spending. But with Obama holding the the veto pen, how would any of that get passed? Even if the GOP takes back one or both of Houses, they certainly won't have the numbers to override a veto.


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[Chappy]

They may propose cutting taxes. Or cutting existing spending. But with Obama holding the the veto pen, how would any of that get passed? Even if the GOP takes back one or both of Houses, they certainly won't have the numbers to override a veto.

Precisely the point. The GOP will cut taxes but not spending and Obama will sign. The deficit will balloon and each side will blame the other.

 

[obvious Child]

They may propose cutting taxes. Or cutting existing spending. But with Obama holding the the veto pen, how would any of that get passed? Even if the GOP takes back one or both of Houses, they certainly won't have the numbers to override a veto.

Not relevant. The necessary cuts to balance the budget will get them thrown out of office. Obama in this sense is irrelevant. Voters will kick out the GOP if they attempt to seriously cut back Social Security and Medicare. And we know the GOP won't cut back military spending. Everything else is immaterial.

To get back to fiscal security we need to tackle the items politicians won't touch. Hence why Obama in this case is irrelevant. So the GOP will cut taxes and keep spending.

 

[deltabtry]

So because your company picked the wrong place to move to(court battles should be a key in realizing this), it's somehow the government's fault.

The land was bought for a specific purpose and our company fit that profile and zoning laws, after the land was bought the town changed it's regulations and zoning laws. This was the court battle, the town was found at fault by the Federal judge in this case along with the ICC threatening their own legal action, non the less my company is out some 7 million due to over building due to illegal regulations in accordance with the ICC. Now our company is in return going to sue the town for the recovery of it's some 7 million dollars, with the backing od the DOT, ICC and federal court case our company won. That said, all in all this wasn't necessary for the town to do this. In the long all this money does affect me and my fellow employees and our pay raises and benefits.

 

[pragmatic]

Not relevant. The necessary cuts to balance the budget will get them thrown out of office. Obama in this sense is irrelevant. Voters will kick out the GOP if they attempt to seriously cut back Social Security and Medicare. And we know the GOP won't cut back military spending. Everything else is immaterial.

To get back to fiscal security we need to tackle the items politicians won't touch. Hence why Obama in this case is irrelevant. So the GOP will cut taxes and keep spending.

Obama is irrelevant? Color me confused. You are suggesting that if the GOP regains any House control that Obama will side with them and allow them to pursue their agenda? Either he would support/sign their bills or he would veto them.....


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[obvious Child]

Obama is irrelevant? Color me confused. You are suggesting that if the GOP regains any House control that Obama will side with them and allow them to pursue their agenda? Either he would support/sign their bills or he would veto them.....
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No. Obama is irrelevant because merely going after Social Security and Medicare will cost the Republicans votes. Bush tried to hack down Social Security and it left him bruised and battered. Trying now to take away safety nets during what still feels like a recession is political suicide. We can entirely remove Obama from this discussion. He does not matter. When the voting public realizes that the Republicans are trying to drastically reduce or eliminate Social Security and Medicare, they will rebel and vote aganist them. The GOP knows this. They utilizied Medicare against the Patient act threatening people with the loss of Medicare! Now to actually cut Medicare themselves is suicide.

 

[pragmatic]

No. Obama is irrelevant because merely going after Social Security and Medicare will cost the Republicans votes. Bush tried to hack down Social Security and it left him bruised and battered. Trying now to take away safety nets during what still feels like a recession is political suicide. We can entirely remove Obama from this discussion. He does not matter. When the voting public realizes that the Republicans are trying to drastically reduce or eliminate Social Security and Medicare, they will rebel and vote aganist them. The GOP knows this. They utilizied Medicare against the Patient act threatening people with the loss of Medicare! Now to actually cut Medicare themselves is suicide.

Think you are just being silly now. The GOP (like the Democrats) are still politically savvy. Any actions they take will be calculated and poll tested. They are not going to cut their own throats making politically unfavorable proposals that have no chance of being implemented.....


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[ricksfolly]

Actually, I would not. It does point to a real problem though. Every one talks about wanting to balance the budget, but no one has the courage to say that balancing the budget is going to hurt, and hurt alot, and will probably hurt every one. Until politicians have the courage to say that, nothing is going to actually get done.

Fact is, there is no deficit, but that doesn't stop gotcha politics from taking their shots. The Fed Reserve makes up the difference every year.

ricksfolly

 

[USA_1]

So the answer is to add let's say 10,000 more new regulations and companies will flock to your state and open for business, is this what your saying>

Nope. But we are where because they let the free market system run wild. They made a killng. If companies were honest and above board, were concerned about the environment and people there would be no need for any regulations.

My company sent thousands of jobs to Canada and Texas. The reason was wages.

 

[pragmatic]

Fact is, there is no deficit, but that doesn't stop gotcha politics from taking their shots. The Fed Reserve makes up the difference every year.

ricksfolly

Huh...??



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[Vader]

In all likelyhood, probably cause the economy to collapse by allowing businesses to run amuck and **** the public over again.

The current GOP is nothing more than a mouthpiece for buisiness scumbags and white collar criminals. The current GOP DOES NOT represent they American people. They are big business stooges... nothing more.

 

[ricksfolly]

Fact is, there is no deficit, but that doesn't stop gotcha politics from taking their shots. The Fed Reserve makes up the difference every year.

ricksfolly

Cole;1058866500]

Huh...?? >>

You can easily prove it for yourself by buying a 2010 The World Almanac and book of facts. Open it up to page 61 and you'll see the US Budget receipts and outlays, fiscal years 2003 - 08

You'll find no deficit carryover from previous years

ricksfolly

 

[USA_1]

Fact is, there is no deficit, but that doesn't stop gotcha politics from taking their shots. The Fed Reserve makes up the difference every year.

ricksfolly

Cole;1058866500]

Huh...?? >>

You can easily prove it for yourself by buying a 2010 The World Almanac and book of facts. Open it up to page 61 and you'll see the US Budget receipts and outlays, fiscal years 2003 - 08

You'll find no deficit carryover from previous years

ricksfolly

It's called the national debt and it's about 13 trillion.

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock

 

[ricksfolly]

It's called the national debt and it's about 13 trillion.

U.S. National Debt Clock

I'm not so sure of that. The N Y Fed reserve bank had a special on TV the other night, and the commentator said they processed over 3 trillion every day all over the world. They have their own printing press and nobody is looking.

ricksfolly

 

[obvious Child]

Think you are just being silly now. The GOP (like the Democrats) are still politically savvy.

So why did the GOP get hammered when it tried to take on Social Security if they are so politically savvy? I'll grant you that they are savvy, but trying to tackle Medicare right after you used it against the Patient act is not a good strategy. The GOP went about arguing that the patient bill was bad because it would cut Medicare and that the GOP was against the Patient bill partially for that reason. I mean really, are you going to actually cut Medicare after you made that argument as a defender of Medicare?

The GOP is not that stupid. Michael Steele and Palin perhaps, but they are just two people.

Any actions they take will be calculated and poll tested. They are not going to cut their own throats making politically unfavorable proposals that have no chance of being implemented.

Hence why they won't touch either and we'll end up with more spending and more debt. Social Security is still the third rail as Eisenhower stated ages ago. And Medicare is just as lethal. The GOP won't touch either, especially when unemployment is actually around 16.5%+.

I just don't see the average American ready to have that very unpleasant discussion about entitlements.

 

[Vader]

Republicans will just go back to sucking off corporate slimbags and making laws that attack the non-wealthy.

 

[Boo Radley]

Whom ever offers the masses a free ride to the treasury to return with a blank check will get the vote, this is where we are today...it's sad.

It's not new. It's our system. No one can be honest. We need to cut spending and raise taxes. Who can win on that?