And yet the conditions for the women there are far better than in the US.
Legalization is a no brainer.
We already do that here though, buying and selling prostitutes is already illegal here and it hasn't done a bit of good.
Women who want to sell their bodies are going to do it and men are going to buy what they're selling.
If prostitution were legal... would pimps be "necessary"?
Please note that "necessary" is in quotes.
You misunderstand. In Sweden SELLING is legal, BUYING (or PIMPING) is illegal.
And what about the women who don't want to do it but are forced to?
No, I think you misunderstand. Both are already illegal here and it hasn't done a thing.
Legalization and regulation would prevent a lot of women being forced into the business. They would have many avenues to take. Keeping it in the dark and illegal doesn't help anyone.
Besides, why shouldn't two adults be able to exchange sex for money if they so desire?
Legalization and regulation would prevent a lot of women being forced into the business.
If we legalize and regulate rape it will prevent a lot of women from being raped.
Go troll somewhere else. I'm trying to have a serious discussion here.
If you were trying to have a serious discussion you would study up on the subject. Tens of thousands of Slavic women are still trafficked throughout European countries where prostitution has been decriminalized. So legalization of prostitution has simply made it easier for them to be put to work.
If you were trying to have a serious discussion you would study up on the subject. Tens of thousands of Slavic women are still trafficked every year. All throughout European countries where prostitution has been decriminalized. So legalization of prostitution has simply made it easier for them to be put to work.
That's because they are probably lax on their regulations.
If prostitution were legal... would pimps be "necessary"?
Please note that "necessary" is in quotes.
What a simple minded solution to such a huge problem. I pointed out the fact that legalization will not stop the use of force - because it is the threat of force which makes the business profitable in the first place - and your solution is "stronger regulation!" - Well - we'll go right back to square one where people will simply create an unregulated black market. It's the same thing which happens with behind the counter medicine. Regulate it until it's inaccessible and unprofitable for all but a select few and people will simply find a way to sell it illegally and make a profit anyways.
Pardon me, but their servitude is derived from their illegal status - as illegal immigrants, not from their work as prostitutes. That's where the power of traffickers over them is coming from. If they could immigrate legally, the criminal enterprise would collapse.
Some traffickers use the woman’s legal documents and tourist visas to legally enter the destination countries. The women may be put on a circuit by pimps in which they are moved from country to country on legal tourist visas or entertainers’ visas. Other times, the woman is given false documents. In this case, the woman is even more vulnerable after she arrives in the destination country because she is there illegally. If police discover her, she is arrested and deported.
"Women are recruited at home with the promise of employment," Mr. Freedman said. "But once they are across the border their passports are taken away and they are beaten and raped and forced into prostitution." The women are typically kept locked in an apartment except when they are taken out to customers.
"When I arrived on the very first day they took away my passport," she said.
"Then I noticed the owner beating one of the girls, very badly. She pulled her hair and she kicked her really hard. That was when I realised that I was in a wrong place."
Certainly if prostitution is legalized there would be many benefits to visiting legal prostitutes as opposed to illegal ones which would tend to put a dent in the black market. It works the same way with legalizing drugs.
Lol... I JUST debunked this myth in post 40.
Lol... I JUST debunked this myth in post 40.
All of those links are about other countries. A lot of those countries don't have the money or resources to enforce any kind of regulations, as I'm sure you are well aware.
A criminal investigation in Germany in 1998 found that 87.5 percent of the women trafficked into Germany were from Eastern Europe. Seventeen percent were from Poland, 14 percent from Ukraine, 12 percent from Czech Republic and 8 percent from the Russian Federation.
Lena, aged 21, was recruited by a woman who said her daughter was working in Greece and making a lot of money. When Lena arrived in Greece, her passport had been taken away and she was put into a small room in a brothel guarded by two dogs. She was sold in prostitution each night from nine in the evening until six in the morning. When she escaped and returned to Mykolayiv she had US$55.00.
In Milan, Italy in December 1997, police uncovered a gang that was holding auctions of trafficked women from the former Soviet Union. The women were stripped partially naked, displayed and sold for an average price of US$1000. Traffickers and pimps use extreme violence to control their women and territory.
Western demand for Eastern European prostitutes fuels today’s sex-slave industry. Currently, the market for Slavic woman and children in brothels and in pornography in "developed" countries — particularly the EU and the U.S. — is the hottest compared to other parts of the world, and is drawing on an endless supply of impoverished and vulnerable women.
I'll pardon your ignorance on this subject all you want. Trafficking women is done by legally moving them through countries.
Her and Crylek aren't saying the same thing. Are you contending that making prostitution legal wouldn't cut into the profits of the black market just as it would with drugs, and has with alcohol after the dirty thirties?
I'll pardon your inability to read what other people write as well: They are not legal immigrants. They have to right to work legally there. Which makes them entirely dependent on the traffickers.
I always thought if I ever gpt desperate enough that I had to steal, i'd rob pimps. Karma free.
What other countries? I posted a link where many countries where prostitution is legalized and regulated and the same problem persists - since you didn't even bother to read the links here are a few:
Germany:
Greece:
Italy:
These women aren't being sent to Macedonia to work. They're being sent to countries where people have the money to spend on prostitution.
Sex trafficking | Prostitution | Eastern Europe | GlobalPost
Seriously - if you're going to debate this subject at least have a friggin clue as to what it is you're discussing.
I'll make it simple for you, here's a simple example of the legal immigration of prostitutes:
1. Guy puts out an ad looking for girls who want to work as secretaries in X country.
2. Girls reply to the ad, they are provided with visa (insuring entry into the country) and all legal documentation to the enter the country.
3. Girls are then repeatedly raped, drugged and beaten.
4. They are forced to work off their debt even if they are legally living within the country.
This happens every single day to thousands of women - no amount of legalization/regulation will stop it and it's all for the same reason that Nike/Apple having sweatshops isn't anything remotely new. Nothing beats free laborers. Nothing.
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