If Newt Gingrich were running in the Republican primary who would you support

[Thales]

Gay marriage is an example of immorality? Clinton's a rapist?

If that's not a fair, balanced, reasonable assessment of our life and times I don't know what is.

 

[26 X World Champs]

I would still vote for Tom Tancredo.

Then his vote total would be TWO! Yours and his...Is there a bigger loser than Tancredo?

Tancredo is the GOP version of Mike Gravel and both are LOSERS beyond hope.

 

[Thales]

Then his vote total would be TWO! Yours and his...Is there a bigger loser than Tancredo?

Tancredo is the GOP version of Mike Gravel and both are LOSERS beyond hope.

Yea, but you can't deny that they make the debates more interesting. :2razz:

 

[26 X World Champs]

Abortion, gay marriage, bastard children and out of control STD's

This exact thinking is what makes Republicans so evil, so pathetic, so out of touch with the world and what will make them outcasts in their own party after the 2008 election route by the Democrats.

Remember all any Democrat has to do is win the same states Kerry won plus Ohio and that is a lock, period.

Final news flash for my God fearing Republican friends....you better start praying because it will take a miracle of biblical proportions for the GOP to even have a voice in Washington in 2009.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Yea, but you can't deny that they make the debates more interesting. :2razz:

I agree! Tancredo is the choice of all white supremests and Gravel is the choice of the mentally retarded.

 

[bhkad]

I agree! Tancredo is the choice of all white supremests and Gravel is the choice of the mentally retarded.

I thought wRONg Paul was the white supremist's choice?

Title: Ron Paul, Hero to Anti-Semites and Other Racists?
Source: Cornswalled.com
URL Source: http://www.cornswalled.com/2007/08/ron-paul-hero-to-anti-semites.html
Published: Sep 22, 2007
Author: Alexander Cornswalled
Post Date: 2007-09-22 07:16:53 by Aaron
84 Comments

One of my more popular articles is one in which I describe how Ron Paul is a traitor to Conservative American values. I basically took a look at some of his platform points and outlined how destructive this proposed ideas and tactics would be to American culture and the economy. Below is one of the comments I received:

barryliberty said...
Ron Paul is the only candidate to stand up for America. Real conservatives like David Duke and Pat Buchanan Support Ron Paul because he is the only candidate to stand up to Zionist control of America. No more wars for Israel like Iraq. He'll bring back states rights and end the "civil rights" war against white America. August 5, 2007 1:17 PM

Phrases such as "Zionist control of America" are frequently used by white supremacists to describe their fevered fantasy that Jews control the US government and Media. The reference to David Duke, a known and prominent member of the KKK, is another indication of the Anti-Semitic nature of barryliberty's views.

I was intrigued, as most of the criticism I'd seen of Ron Paul focused on his stated political views. I'd had no idea that rampant racism was part of what fueled his supporters.

Was barryliberty an arbitration, or did he represent a larger problem? I decided to do some research

Simply looking up the phrase "Anti-Semitic Ron Paul" yielded instant results. The first hit was a New York Sun article "Ron Paul's Race Problem" It, and an article from the web site sayanythingblog.com both referenced the same Houston Chronicle article, the link to which now results in a 404 error. Both sites quoted the salient quotes from the now censored Houston Chronicle article:

Paul reported on gang crime in Los Angeles and commented, “If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be.”

“Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,’ I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal,” Paul said.

Paul also wrote that although “we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.”

Stating that lobbying groups who seek special favors and handouts are evil, Paul wrote, “By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government” and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.

So, we have Ron Paul perpetuating the stereotype of Blacks being fast runners and he claims 95% of the blacks in a given area are criminals.

And then there are the attacks on the Israeli Lobby, which is no doubt one of the things the white supremacists are latching onto as a sign that Ron Paul is "their guy." The article "Ron Paul May Not be An Anti Semite, but..." summarized the issue nicely.

Ron Paul's Apologists are running around trying to claim that the incriminating phrases above were ghost written for his newsletter, but if that were the case, should he not have printed a retraction in the very next edition? Is the oversight of his newsletter is so poor that blatantly racist content is left unchallenged until brought up by a critic? If I were having Ghost Writers put words in my mouth, I'd made damn sure to read their statements before they went to print. Regardless of what his supporters claim, Ron Paul endorsed the blatantly racist statements by failing to recant them.

It's clear that in addition to being an isolationist who would destroy the US economy, Ron Paul is a racist who gleefully stereotypes Blacks and doubts the right of Israel to exist.

His failure to recant makes me beleive he's trying to court racists of all stripes with vague references and roundabout chatter, just the sort of thing to make the racists think "Oh he's on our side, but knows he'll be committing political suicide by being to blatant."

It reminds me of the origins of the phrase "Culture of Life." The sentence used to be code for "Pro-Life" and it was used by politicians who wanted to court the Pro-Life vote without coming out and admitting they were against abortion. The code has long since been broken, and the phrase is no longer a subtle hint at what a politician really means. Ron Paul, like the cowards who first used the phrase "Culture of Life," has a view that he's afraid to admit to the world at large. In a way, I have more respect for David Duke. He's also a racist, but he joined the KKK. I have no respect for cowards who hide their real views and try to give hints to potential supporters.

- Alexander Cornswalled is a Midwestern Conservative Christian, writing and podcasting about religion, morals and the fight to halt the decay of American society and civilization.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=200754

 

[bhkad]

This exact thinking is what makes Republicans so evil, so pathetic, so out of touch with the world and what will make them outcasts in their own party after the 2008 election route by the Democrats.

Remember all any Democrat has to do is win the same states Kerry won plus Ohio and that is a lock, period.

Final news flash for my God fearing Republican friends....you better start praying because it will take a miracle of biblical proportions for the GOP to even have a voice in Washington in 2009.

Republican aren't evil at all. They just try to follow principles, not emotional impulses. That is so alien to your being you think it's out of touch. :rofl

Oh, and you are going to be in for a big surprise when America elects ANOTHER Republican President. :2wave:

 

[26 X World Champs]

Republican aren't evil at all. They just try to follow principles

Yeah like denying equal rights to Gays or preventing uninsured Americans from receiving health care, or another 100 immoral things that I can list that separate Republicans from "principles."

 

[bhkad]

Yeah like denying equal rights to Gays or preventing uninsured Americans from receiving health care, or another 100 immoral things that I can list that separate Republicans from "principles."

Have you ever bothered to consider the reasons for those positions?

Do you believe long term consequences shouldn't be considered in making policy? Or don't you ever think that far ahead?

Or maybe your motto in life is 'instant gratification' no matter what and when or how or why.

Do you know the problems of doing that, for example, when raising kids?

You get spoiled brats who think the world should cater to their whims.

oke

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by bkhad:
Have you ever bothered to consider the reasons for those positions?

Do you believe long term consequences shouldn't be considered in making policy? Or don't you ever think that far ahead?

Or maybe your motto in life is 'instant gratification' no matter what and when or how or why.

Do you know the problems of doing that, for example, when raising kids?

You get spoiled brats who think the world should cater to their whims.

Or people that think DP is an inferior site.

Why do you think that bkhad?

 

[Stinger]

If he just turned down the pompous assholishness just a little bit he would ****ing demolish her, he's one of the few that I am actually certain is smarter than her, cause as much as I dislike her, she's an evil genius.

He could eat her alive in a debate but the MSM would then attacking him for not being fair and treating her badly.

 

[bhkad]

Or people that think DP is an inferior site.

Why do you think that bkhad?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I know you'll never answer this challenge Navy Pride because every time I or someone else questions you to the point where you have to prove something with facts you cut and run but I will ask anyway to set the record straight.

You claim that Hillary will lose to almost any other than Newt potential GOP candidate. I say BULLSHIT. Why? All anyone has to do is look at how the states will vote and add up the electoral votes and even the staunchest Republican (except you because you can never admit you're wrong) will understand that if she wins every state that Kerry won plus Ohio she's in.

Here's the map of how the 2004 election went. Please show us Navy Pride which blue states will not be blue in 2008. If you can't and if you add Ohio then your statement above is once again WRONG.

Not to mention the potential additions for more electoral votes from Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa, Nevada and even Arizona is in play for the Democrats.

Bottom line is that the route is on and I defy you or anyone else in this thread to show us which blue state(s) would become red in 2008.

If Giuliani or Rommney win the primary New York and Massachusets could actually be in play.

 

[disneydude]

You think the Swiftboaters went after Kerry..You ain't seen nothing yet my left wing friend and you can take that to the bank.....

Oh....trust me Navy....I know full well what the Republican party will do in the next election. Lies, Deception and just dirty politics are the fortay of the GOP these days.

I would love to see a return to campaigns about the issues....but I guess when you are losing on every issue and want to win an election, you do what you have to.

I don't have to take it to that insolvent bank of yours because it will just be typical right-wing politics. Nothing more....nothing less.

 

[bhkad]

Oh....trust me Navy....I know full well what the Republican party will do in the next election. Lies, Deception and just dirty politics are the fortay of the GOP these days.

I would love to see a return to campaigns about the issues....but I guess when you are losing on every issue and want to win an election, you do what you have to.

I don't have to take it to that insolvent bank of yours because it will just be typical right-wing politics. Nothing more....nothing less.

If the Democrats were to campaign on the issues, and campaign honestly on the issues, they KNOW they would lose because they KNOW they can't pull out of Iraq and the only reason they say they will pull out is because that is what the liberal voters are childishly demanding. And because the Democrats are willing to LIE to get the power they creepily crave.

 

[saltwn]

Fred Thompson looks the best at beating Hillary. Newt won't beat her cause he's been in politics a long time and people are wanting change. Romney won't win because his only claim to fame is something he did 6yrs ago. Americans have very short memories. Besides I would love to see Fred and Hillary go at it in a debate. Pass the popcorn!:rwbelepha :rwbdonkey

 

[disneydude]

Moral bankruptcy?

Yes....Moral Bankruptcy. Anyone can claim to be "god-fearing" just like anyone can claim to be "christian"...and yet people who use the term "christian" are about as close to the principles of Christ as they are to dog$h*t.

Yes....Moral Bankruptcy. GWB has sold America's soul to advance his neo-con agenda. You know its bad when the president of Iran talks about how America believes in torture, secret prisons, etc......and is right.
We have lost the moral highground because Bush has taken us to the gutter with his policies.

Cultural Civil War?

Yes.... Anyone can see that the Bush administration, more than any other administration, has manipulated the public for their political advantage. Bush has used Fear and Wedge issues to drive this country apart, because he and his advisors realized that by doing so, it would help him politically. This country is as divided now as it was during the civil war (probably even more so).

Financial Bankruptcy?

Yes.....Bush has spent more money and mortgaged this country on the backs of generations to come. Real income is down substantially since Bush took office. Good paying jobs have been outsourced at the expense of lower paying service industry jobs. (It works for the wealthy....they get richer and the middle class shrinks).


So as I said....We need someone who can mend the damage that GWB has created in this Country. GWB has driven this country to the edge of financial and moral bankruptcy.

 

[winston53660]

Fred Thompson looks the best at beating Hillary. Newt won't beat her cause he's been in politics a long time and people are wanting change. Romney won't win because his only claim to fame is something he did 6yrs ago. Americans have very short memories. Besides I would love to see Fred and Hillary go at it in a debate. Pass the popcorn!:rwbelepha :rwbdonkey

Fred has no substance and is more of the same ole same ole.

 

[buttonpsi]

Yes....Moral Bankruptcy. Anyone can claim to be "god-fearing" just like anyone can claim to be "christian"...and yet people who use the term "christian" are about as close to the principles of Christ as they are to dog$h*t.

Yes....Moral Bankruptcy. GWB has sold America's soul to advance his neo-con agenda. You know its bad when the president of Iran talks about how America believes in torture, secret prisons, etc......and is right.
We have lost the moral highground because Bush has taken us to the gutter with his policies.

Although I will agree with you on the christian aspect, when will you people get a freaking clue? GWB hasn't sold America's soul. The president of Iran, the president of North Korea, the president of (name a place) has no fvcking right to claim we are torturing our citizens. Go learn yourself a bit about N. Korea and get back to me. I bet you would like the lettuce with the poison on it for your family that makes you vomit and sh!t out your intestines. wouldn't that be good torture? Then you die of dehydration inside of a little glass box. Bush may have bad policies, but to claim that he is anything like the people he criticizes is insane. Seriously, take some time to look into what people in N. Korea go through when they challenge the GOV. Maybe America isn't so bad and you should shut the FK up. :2wave:

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by buttonpsi
Although I will agree with you on the christian aspect, when will you people get a freaking clue? GWB hasn't sold America's soul. The president of Iran, the president of North Korea, the president of (name a place) has no fvcking right to claim we are torturing our citizens. Go learn yourself a bit about N. Korea and get back to me. I bet you would like the lettuce with the poison on it for your family that makes you vomit and sh!t out your intestines. wouldn't that be good torture? Then you die of dehydration inside of a little glass box. Bush may have bad policies, but to claim that he is anything like the people he criticizes is insane. Seriously, take some time to look into what people in N. Korea go through when they challenge the GOV. Maybe America isn't so bad and you should shut the FK up.

He's right!

We do torture people. And he makes a good point. Things have gotten so bad, that someone like the Iranian President can throw that in our face and we can't say anything about it!

Because we do it too!

 

[saltwn]

Fred has no substance and is more of the same ole same ole.

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I think it's refreshing to have someone who's running for office give his honest opinion.

 

[GottaHurt]

Yes....Moral Bankruptcy. Anyone can claim to be "god-fearing" just like anyone can claim to be "christian"...and yet people who use the term "christian" are about as close to the principles of Christ as they are to dog$h*t.

Spoken like a true non believer, I love how freedom of religion in this country applies to anyone & everyone except christians, who get attacked for their beliefs.

Another classic example of how democrats shoot down our constitutional rights.

Yes....Moral Bankruptcy. GWB has sold America's soul to advance his neo-con agenda. You know its bad when the president of Iran talks about how America believes in torture, secret prisons, etc......and is right.
We have lost the moral highground because Bush has taken us to the gutter with his policies.

Yes, the president of iran is such a fine upstanding humanitarian. No homosexuals in his country, because they execute them. Homosexuals are only a phenomenon that occur in the United States.

Yes, it is bad when the president of iran accuses of us of so many human rights violations, while his country has a full backlog of people waiting to get stoned.

Stoning to Death in Iran: A Crime Against Humanity Carried Out By the Mullahs' Regime

I wonder where the international red cross is? Oh, they're at Gitmo making sure the Duck ala Ronge is tempt properly.

Too bad we weren't able to get the full story from Zahra Kazemi, the iranian government tortured and killed her for trying to report the truth about the opposition growing in iran.

FRONTLINE/WORLD . Iran - Forbidden Iran . The Story | PBS

Yes.... Anyone can see that the Bush administration, more than any other administration, has manipulated the public for their political advantage.

I laugh at this statement the most. The democratic party has promised the working class and minority classes a better life for over 40 years now, and they are no better off than they were 40 years ago. The majority of minorities are still below poverty level after 40 years of democratic entitlement programs.

Hillary's new "Buy a vote" plan is the latest democratic scam, $5k for every baby born.

Clinton: $5K bond for every U.S. baby - USATODAY.com

And then there's Pelosi's "Dream Act", giving illegal aliens a better life by giving them half price tuition at our universities.

The DREAM Act Portal - Home

The dems campaigned on lower gas prices, pulling out of Iraq and getting a national healthcare plan passed.

Let's take a closer look at their list, shall we?

A $0.50 cent gas tax, how is that lowering the price? I'm confident a liberal will step forward with a chart and explain it away.

FOXNews.com - Congressman John Dingell Proposes 50-cent Gas Tax Hike to Fight Global Warming - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

Pulling out of Iraq? I don't think so, neither do the leading democratic candidates.

U.S. Democratic candidates hedge bets on Iraq withdrawal - International Herald Tribune

And Hillary Healthcare? And I quote, "But Biden said that unnamed special interests were no more willing to work with Clinton now than they were more than a decade ago."

Ruh Roh, Lucy got some 'splainin to do.

FOXNews.com - Dems Discuss Iraq Withdrawal at New Hampshire Debate - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum


Talk about lip service and not producing squat, but Hillary has Bill, and Bill is an expert on lip service, and forcing himself on the public.

Bush has used Fear and Wedge issues to drive this country apart, because he and his advisors realized that by doing so, it would help him politically. This country is as divided now as it was during the civil war (probably even more so).

This country is no more divided than it was 30 years ago, you have the right, the left and far wing factions of both, with a nice balance of people in the middle.

The only seperation we have are the loonies in San Fran who somehow think they are going to succeed from the United States, but that's O.K., we can watch from a distance as the nutjobs there entertain us.

Yes.....Bush has spent more money and mortgaged this country on the backs of generations to come. Real income is down substantially since Bush took office. Good paying jobs have been outsourced at the expense of lower paying service industry jobs. (It works for the wealthy....they get richer and the middle class shrinks).

No, congress has spent more money, and it takes a majority to vote on a bill for it to pass.

Do your homework and quit relying on the news media for your B.S. leftwing talking points.

Citizens Against Government Waste: Homepage

CAGW is a non partisan watch dog group who tracks government expendatures, waste and fraud.

So as I said....We need someone who can mend the damage that GWB has created in this Country. GWB has driven this country to the edge of financial and moral bankruptcy.

This is my favorite part, a typical liberal with the "I hate Bush, let's blame all of the countries woes on him."

Where are all the elected democrats in this country who have the power to give an up or down vote on every bill?

Where are they, and how did they all vote on all these bills over the last 7 years?

Quit blaming Bush and take a good look at the voting record of the elected officials from your state, your party. :2wave:

 

[TheAX]

Do notice that the person authoring the poll neglected altogether putting Texas House Representative Dr. Ron Paul's, the only conservative candidate that has a lick of common sense, name on the list.

Very mainstream media of the thread author to do so.

 

[Stinger]

I would love to see a return to campaigns about the issues....but I guess when you are losing on every issue and want to win an election, you do what you have to.

The only side that is discussing the issues and will discuss the issues is the Republican side. The Democrats speak in platitudes and vague promises of free this and free that because it is all they have beside the personal attacks they throw around with abandon. Just look at the S-CHIP issue, they don't want to debate it on the issues but engage in demagogy. REPUBLICANS HATE CHILDREN SO VOTE FOR US.

 

[Panache]

Looks like Ron Paul is currently winning this poll too...