If Musk re-opens the public square, ending undemocratic leftist censorship, can the left survive honest and open scrutiny?

[ClaraD]

Nonsense...

Just because it's legal for a private entity to censor free speech does not mean it does not violate a persons right to free speech.

It doesn't violate a person's right....because only the GOVERNMENT is restrained...not private entities. You are old enough to know this.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

That is highly ironic because posting Twitter is not covered by free speech. Maybe you should learn what free speech entails, what it protects, and what it does not protect. Free speech only means that you cant be fined or jailed by the government for what you say. It does not say that private property owners cannot enforce their own limits of what you are permitted to say. This site has a TOS and violating it can get you v banned that ban is not a violation of free speech rights.

Free speech means whatever the ruling regime wants it to mean. If Republicans take control of Congress and actually work to exercise power then they can just make twitted obey first amendment standards, and if they don’t want to play, well there’s at least 80,000 different ways the feds can people in prison and maybe it’s time for the right to use the old Stalin “show me the man I’ll show you the crime” standard. Like when Paul Manafort was arrested on a paperwork violation that literally every lobbying in Washington was committing

 

[roguenuke]

Yup...conservatives totes aren't educated. Btw...why is it that homeschool parents, regardless of their education level, get better results than teachers. I mean, it's literally their profession and they get dunked on by these terrible education laypersons. Maybe a lot of teachers just ****ing suck?

Because this isn't true.

The Research on Homeschooling

The academic, social, and long-term outcomes for children in home schools.

www.psychologytoday.com

children in a “structured” homeschool program — that is, a homeschool program with organized lesson plans — tend to score higher on academic tests than children from conventional schools, while children in “unstructured” homeschool environments without organized lesson plans tend to score lower than children in conventional schools.

Most studies do not isolate for the factors you are claiming here. Many studies regarding homeschooling are self selecting or based on specific homeschool programs that center around college preparation.

 

[jnug]

To me, Twitter is the most absurd of the major social networking operations. I don't have a twitter account and don't want one. It is not a popular platform generally. It is a platform used by political entities to get their sound bite sized Propaganda out there so MSM can copy and past them. That is really all it is.

Remember when Twitter first made its bones...sort of. It was the "hey....I just had a coke and a slice of pizza for lunch" platform. WOW....Zowie.....HOLY SMOKES.....a coke and a slice of pizza??? I never heard of such of thing. Maybe if I feel adventurous I will try that. It was a joke then and its a joke now.

For some reason politicians think Twitter gives them license to be even more absurd than usual. I guess its because they think deleting a tweet means it never happened in the first place whereas something they say into a microphone is somehow gospel. It is a weird thought process that gets politicians to this place. In addition they don't have to wait for a microphone and a camera to say something STUPID. They can just tweet something stupid, maybe from the throne in their bathrooms.

 

[Logician Man]

Can the modern left survive free speech?

Is this some silly rhetorical question? Of course the modern left can survive free speech. The left survived it when Trump used his "free speech" to kiss Putin's ass in front of the entire civilized world at the Helsinki Press Conference, as he threw his/our own own U.S. Intel under the bus. The modern left survived when Trump foolishly outed himself as a lover of brutal, murderous, Communist dictator Kim Jung UN over a few 'love letters' KJU wrote him. Hell, the modern left even survived after Trump lied to every American, including yourself, about the severity of the COVID pandemic. ( which he admitted to on audio tape in an interview with Bob Woodward.) And never, ever, forget the modern left survived after Trump incited his useful idiots, who brutally attacked/assaulted over 140 Capitol LEOs, in his misguided, futile attempt to stop the ratification of a fair and free election, so he could remain in power, and prevent the peaceful transfer of power from a defeated, twice impeached POTUS to a duly elected POTUS-Elect.

 

[vegas giants]

The left control the vast majority of "news" media outlets, and they dominate social media as well. So they basically control the modern public square. They've used that power to demonize and censor their political enemies, while promoting partisan propaganda 24/7.

But can the democrats and the progressive movement survive open, honest dialog, where they can't simply silence everyone? Can the modern left survive free speech? [A question to our truly liberal members: Why do the democrats and the leftist elites fear free speech so much]?

Look how much power the left has....why is the right so weak and powerless?

 

[vegas giants]

Nonsense...

Just because it's legal for a private entity to censor free speech does not mean it does not violate a persons right to free speech.

Yes it does mean that

 

[bongsaway]

The left control the vast majority of "news" media outlets, and they dominate social media as well. So they basically control the modern public square. They've used that power to demonize and censor their political enemies, while promoting partisan propaganda 24/7.

But can the democrats and the progressive movement survive open, honest dialog, where they can't simply silence everyone? Can the modern left survive free speech? [A question to our truly liberal members: Why do the democrats and the leftist elites fear free speech so much]?

Lol, that's funny considering the gop has pulled out of presidential debates. Open honest dialogue from the republicans, you've got to be kidding.

 

[bongsaway]

It will be a start to them having a lot more trouble controlling the narrative, but there are so many leftist institutions that need to be reformed that Twitter alone won't be able to remedy. The biggest one that needs to be fixed is education.

Ah, the old let's get rid of the department of education cry as if the gop base hasn't been dumbed down enough.

 

[AGENT J]

The left control the vast majority of "news" media outlets, and they dominate social media as well. So they basically control the modern public square. They've used that power to demonize and censor their political enemies, while promoting partisan propaganda 24/7.

But can the democrats and the progressive movement survive open, honest dialog, where they can't simply silence everyone? Can the modern left survive free speech? [A question to our truly liberal members: Why do the democrats and the leftist elites fear free speech so much]?

 

[NatMorton]

Private property rights on the internet are not a leftist narrative.

The left's newfound appreciation for private property rights is encouraging, but will it last?

 

[Callen]

Lets face it , a lot of people choose the news and information silos they are comfortable with. The only people that will take any stock in whatever "scrutiny" the left is put under are people already of that mindset. Open-minded, intellectually curious people of all stripes will always do their homework, check multiple sources and form opinions based on facts as well as their values. The left will be just fine even if Musk buys Twitter!!

 

[jnug]

Lets face it , a lot of people choose the news and information silos they are comfortable with. The only people that will take any stock in whatever "scrutiny" the left is put under are people already of that mindset. Open-minded, intellectually curious people of all stripes will always do their homework, check multiple sources and form opinions based on facts as well as their values. The left will be just fine even if Musk buys Twitter!!

I don't pay any attention to twitter. Politically, its a place for garbage. Nothing meaningful politically can be said in 280 characters.

But of course MSM 24/7's loves it because they can cut and past the swill that celebrities and performance artist politicians post there and then pontificate on it endlessly. Tough filling 24 hours a day with actual news even when repeating it 8 times per day and titillation is SOOOO much more interesting.

 

[trouble13]

It doesn't violate a person's right....because only the GOVERNMENT is restrained...not private entities. You are old enough to know this.

Your old enough to know better than to play sily word semantic games

 

[BlueTex]

Free speech means whatever the ruling regime wants it to mean. If Republicans take control of Congress and actually work to exercise power then they can just make twitted obey first amendment standards, and if they don’t want to play, well there’s at least 80,000 different ways the feds can people in prison and maybe it’s time for the right to use the old Stalin “show me the man I’ll show you the crime” standard. Like when Paul Manafort was arrested on a paperwork violation that literally every lobbying in Washington was committing

How would the GOP be able to "exercise power" without Biden signing some new law?

 

[BlueTex]

Your old enough to know better than to play sily word semantic games

Well, do you have a "right" to free speech on my property?

 

[Doppelgangirl]

I like how conservatives think that forcing private corporations to do what they want is "free speech". In every other topic you guys think companies should have no regulation or rules of any kind

Especially when it comes to labor.

 

[Master Debator]

Free speech means whatever the ruling regime wants it to mean. If Republicans take control of Congress and actually work to exercise power then they can just make twitted obey first amendment standards, and if they don’t want to play, well there’s at least 80,000 different ways the feds can people in prison and maybe it’s time for the right to use the old Stalin “show me the man I’ll show you the crime” standard. Like when Paul Manafort was arrested on a paperwork violation that literally every lobbying in Washington was committing

It's funny because you actually managed to describe the exact opposite of free speech.

 

[Helix]

We had a president who wasn't savvy enough to avoid getting banned from an internet message board.

If the attempted coup, insurrection, and every other bit of the shitstorm he caused hadn't happened, that alone would be pretty ****ed up.

 

[HenryChinaski]

The left control the vast majority of "news" media outlets, and they dominate social media as well. So they basically control the modern public square. They've used that power to demonize and censor their political enemies, while promoting partisan propaganda 24/7.

But can the democrats and the progressive movement survive open, honest dialog, where they can't simply silence everyone? Can the modern left survive free speech? [A question to our truly liberal members: Why do the democrats and the leftist elites fear free speech so much]?

Don't you people have 4 Chan, 8 Chan, Storm Front, and now Truth Social to have your circle jerks?

 

[HenryChinaski]

True.

No, and hell no!


Good question. We'll see how the true liberals answer for those illiberal Democrats who give them a bad name.

You people are just the biggest most persecuted victims ever!, just horrible..

 

[tres borrachos]

Especially when it comes to labor.

Amen.

 

[element94]

The left control the vast majority of "news" media outlets, and they dominate social media as well. So they basically control the modern public square. They've used that power to demonize and censor their political enemies, while promoting partisan propaganda 24/7.

But can the democrats and the progressive movement survive open, honest dialog, where they can't simply silence everyone? Can the modern left survive free speech? [A question to our truly liberal members: Why do the democrats and the leftist elites fear free speech so much]?

LOL Open, honest(!) dialogue. With whom? The republicans are proven liars many times over! And, they are seeking to elect the 30,000+ proven lies master himself, Donald Trump, again! Can democrats survive free speech? The republicans are actively seeking to ban books in schools. How about free and fair elections? Oh, that's right, republicans are now being shown to have been the ones actually committing the election fraud!
If the republicans are allowed to survive their insurrection against the U.S. government our only concern will be civil war!

 

[Fishking]

Depends on what you mean by “better results.” They can write and do math at a very proficient level, but after that is where you get young earth creationism and the belief that gays and atheists destroyed the Roman Empire (it’s really specific). You can always tell a young earth creationist because their understanding of the world was clearly shaped inside four walls for most of their life.

So…yeah….the three R’s? Can’t beat a home schooled kid (not counting private schools) when it comes to those. But they’re also right wing Christian fundamentalist maniacs, so any benefits go out the window.

So you admit they do a better job at teaching the actual academic subjects but whine about them being in control of what beliefs are taught. The only thing you've done is prove the point of criticism against schools, that they are for indoctrination, not education. Again, this is by your own admission.

 

[j brown's body]

Counting on a trolling oligarch to protect free speech seems shaky at best.