If Musk re-opens the public square, ending undemocratic leftist censorship, can the left survive honest and open scrutiny?

[ModerationNow!]

The left control the vast majority of "news" media outlets, and they dominate social media as well. So they basically control the modern public square. They've used that power to demonize and censor their political enemies, while promoting partisan propaganda 24/7.

But can the democrats and the progressive movement survive open, honest dialog, where they can't simply silence everyone? Can the modern left survive free speech? [A question to our truly liberal members: Why do the democrats and the leftist elites fear free speech so much]?

 

[Grand Mal]

The left control the vast majority of "news" media outlets, and they dominate social media as well. So they basically control the modern public square. They've used that power to demonize and censor their political enemies, while promoting partisan propaganda 24/7.

But can the democrats and the progressive movement survive open, honest dialog, where they can't simply silence everyone? Can the modern left survive free speech? [A question to our truly liberal members: Why do the democrats and the leftist elites fear free speech so much]?

What a stupid statement.

 

[trixare4kids]

The left control the vast majority of "news" media outlets, and they dominate social media as well. So they basically control the modern public square. They've used that power to demonize and censor their political enemies, while promoting partisan propaganda 24/7.

True.

But can the democrats and the progressive movement survive open, honest dialog, where they can't simply silence everyone?

No, and hell no!

Can the modern left survive free speech? [A question to our truly liberal members: Why do the democrats and the leftist elites fear free speech so much]?

Good question. We'll see how the true liberals answer for those illiberal Democrats who give them a bad name.

 

[Fishking]

The left control the vast majority of "news" media outlets, and they dominate social media as well. So they basically control the modern public square. They've used that power to demonize and censor their political enemies, while promoting partisan propaganda 24/7.

But can the democrats and the progressive movement survive open, honest dialog, where they can't simply silence everyone? Can the modern left survive free speech? [A question to our truly liberal members: Why do the democrats and the leftist elites fear free speech so much]?

It will be a start to them having a lot more trouble controlling the narrative, but there are so many leftist institutions that need to be reformed that Twitter alone won't be able to remedy. The biggest one that needs to be fixed is education.

 

[Grandpappy]

If Musk re-opens the public square, ending undemocratic leftist censorship, can the left survive honest and open scrutiny?​

No.

 

[Lisa]

It will be a start to them having a lot more trouble controlling the narrative, but there are so many leftist institutions that need to be reformed that Twitter alone won't be able to remedy. The biggest one that needs to be fixed is education.

That is highly ironic because posting Twitter is not covered by free speech. Maybe you should learn what free speech entails, what it protects, and what it does not protect. Free speech only means that you cant be fined or jailed by the government for what you say. It does not say that private property owners cannot enforce their own limits of what you are permitted to say. This site has a TOS and violating it can get you v banned that ban is not a violation of free speech rights.

 

[Fishking]

That is highly ironic because posting Twitter is not covered by free speech. Maybe you should learn what free speech entails, what it protects, and what it does not protect. Free speech only means that you cant be fined or jailed by the government for what you say. It does not say that private property owners cannot enforce their own limits of what you are permitted to say. This site has a TOS and violating it can get you v banned that ban is not a violation of free speech rights.

What's ironic is that you obviously didn't read my post and created your own strawman. How ****ing funny is that?

 

[Hamish Howl]

What a stupid statement.

They get torqued up so easily these days.

It's like watching liberals in 2018, chanting "<latest person on the news> for president."

 

[Lisa]

What's ironic is that you obviously didn't read my post and created your own strawman. How ****ing funny is that?

Private property rights on the internet are not a leftist narrative.

 

[LostinThought]

The left control the vast majority of "news" media outlets, and they dominate social media as well. So they basically control the modern public square. They've used that power to demonize and censor their political enemies, while promoting partisan propaganda 24/7.

But can the democrats and the progressive movement survive open, honest dialog, where they can't simply silence everyone? Can the modern left survive free speech? [A question to our truly liberal members: Why do the democrats and the leftist elites fear free speech so much]?

The left? Yes, they'll survive.
The far-left on the other hand, no. They've been notorious on how hard it is for them to survive in open and honest debate.

 

[HIP56948]

61 percent of Republicans rely on Fox News for their political guidance. Fox News viewers know less about what's going on than people who don't watch any news. Put 2 and 2 together.

 

[Grand Mal]

It will be a start to them having a lot more trouble controlling the narrative, but there are so many leftist institutions that need to be reformed that Twitter alone won't be able to remedy. The biggest one that needs to be fixed is education.

Maybe the right ought to try to get some conservatives educated enough to get education degrees and be teachers.
Nah, that requires too much effort. Easier to just bitch and moan about how people with education degrees seem to all be leftists.

 

[MaryP]

The left control the vast majority of "news" media outlets, and they dominate social media as well. So they basically control the modern public square. They've used that power to demonize and censor their political enemies, while promoting partisan propaganda 24/7.

Horse hockey.

Does it look to you as if the right is under represented?



Besides that, rightwingers are as vocal on social media as anyone else. People are kicked off sites for violating rules after being warned and ignoring it. Would you like all sites to be like Truth Social, where no one is allowed to criticize Trump & Co.? You have a very skewed notion of how much of a voice you have. I certainly hear you.

 

[Fishking]

Maybe the right ought to try to get some conservatives educated enough to get education degrees and be teachers.
Nah, that requires too much effort. Easier to just bitch and moan about how people with education degrees seem to all be leftists.

Yup...conservatives totes aren't educated. Btw...why is it that homeschool parents, regardless of their education level, get better results than teachers. I mean, it's literally their profession and they get dunked on by these terrible education laypersons. Maybe a lot of teachers just ****ing suck?

 

[RabidAlpaca]

The left control the vast majority of "news" media outlets, and they dominate social media as well. So they basically control the modern public square. They've used that power to demonize and censor their political enemies, while promoting partisan propaganda 24/7.

But can the democrats and the progressive movement survive open, honest dialog, where they can't simply silence everyone? Can the modern left survive free speech? [A question to our truly liberal members: Why do the democrats and the leftist elites fear free speech so much]?

I like how conservatives think that forcing private corporations to do what they want is "free speech". In every other topic you guys think companies should have no regulation or rules of any kind

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Horse hockey.

Does it look to you as if the right is under represented?

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Besides that, rightwingers are as vocal on social media as anyone else. People are kicked off sites for violating rules after being warned and ignoring it. Would you like all sites to be like Truth Social, where no one is allowed to criticize Trump & Co.? You have a very skewed notion of how much of a voice you have. I certainly hear you.

Don't forget that these are the same kind of people who support overturning an election so an authoritarian psychopath named trump could illegally stay in power.

 

[MaryP]

Don't forget that these are the same kind of people who support overturning an election so an authoritarian psychopath named trump could illegally stay in power.

It definitely crosses my mind that 'free speech' isn't what some of these folks really want.

 

[Cardinal]

Yup...conservatives totes aren't educated. Btw...why is it that homeschool parents, regardless of their education level, get better results than teachers. I mean, it's literally their profession and they get dunked on by these terrible education laypersons. Maybe a lot of teachers just ****ing suck?

Depends on what you mean by “better results.” They can write and do math at a very proficient level, but after that is where you get young earth creationism and the belief that gays and atheists destroyed the Roman Empire (it’s really specific). You can always tell a young earth creationist because their understanding of the world was clearly shaped inside four walls for most of their life.

So…yeah….the three R’s? Can’t beat a home schooled kid (not counting private schools) when it comes to those. But they’re also right wing Christian fundamentalist maniacs, so any benefits go out the window.

 

[Cardinal]

The left control the vast majority of "news" media outlets, and they dominate social media as well. So they basically control the modern public square. They've used that power to demonize and censor their political enemies, while promoting partisan propaganda 24/7.

But can the democrats and the progressive movement survive open, honest dialog, where they can't simply silence everyone? Can the modern left survive free speech? [A question to our truly liberal members: Why do the democrats and the leftist elites fear free speech so much]?

So again, why did the latest right wing alt-twitter experiment fail?

 

[Mycroft]

The left control the vast majority of "news" media outlets, and they dominate social media as well. So they basically control the modern public square. They've used that power to demonize and censor their political enemies, while promoting partisan propaganda 24/7.

But can the democrats and the progressive movement survive open, honest dialog, where they can't simply silence everyone? Can the modern left survive free speech? [A question to our truly liberal members: Why do the democrats and the leftist elites fear free speech so much]?

Sure. The left will survive. Their propaganda media will simply report only the leftwing nonsense on twitter...like they do now.

 

[Rexedgar]

“Own the libs!”

Elon Musk, “Hold my beer!”

 

[jnug]

First you have to have open and honest scrutiny instead of grandstanding and propaganda peddling. Right now you have grandstanding and propaganda peddling.

 

[Fletch]

The left control the vast majority of "news" media outlets, and they dominate social media as well. So they basically control the modern public square. They've used that power to demonize and censor their political enemies, while promoting partisan propaganda 24/7.

But can the democrats and the progressive movement survive open, honest dialog, where they can't simply silence everyone? Can the modern left survive free speech? [A question to our truly liberal members: Why do the democrats and the leftist elites fear free speech so much]?

They can survive just fine. After all, they survive here at DP and never make an honest argument, so they can survive a change at Twitter. They dont like the change coming to Twitter because they prefer silence those they disagree with since they cant debate them honestly.

 

[trouble13]

That is highly ironic because posting Twitter is not covered by free speech. Maybe you should learn what free speech entails, what it protects, and what it does not protect. Free speech only means that you cant be fined or jailed by the government for what you say. It does not say that private property owners cannot enforce their own limits of what you are permitted to say. This site has a TOS and violating it can get you v banned that ban is not a violation of free speech rights.

Nonsense...

Just because it's legal for a private entity to censor free speech does not mean it does not violate a persons right to free speech.

 

[ClaraD]

The left control the vast majority of "news" media outlets, and they dominate social media as well. So they basically control the modern public square. They've used that power to demonize and censor their political enemies, while promoting partisan propaganda 24/7.

But can the democrats and the progressive movement survive open, honest dialog, where they can't simply silence everyone? Can the modern left survive free speech? [A question to our truly liberal members: Why do the democrats and the leftist elites fear free speech so much]?

um, he isn't going to do anything now...especially since he refused the seat at the table and now the Vanguard Group holds more cards than he does.