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If More Guns = More Crime Police Wouldn't Carry Them

Why does that matter? you don't make any distinctions between {guns-protection} and {guns-recreational}. Why are you making that distinction with drugs?

Because {guns - recreational} are both legal and a protected right; recreational firearms use has been affirmed by Congress to be a lawful and desired use of firearms.


Let me know when drug use becomes a protected right.
 
So are you going to provide evidence?

I tire of your constant calls for evidence when you RARELY provide any yourself. You have provided it ONCE to my knowledge the entire time I have debated you
 

I can walk into any Bed, Bath and Beyond and buy a 9" butcher knife. I can walk into any Walmart and buy a hunting knife. I can walk into any Lowe's and buy a hammer or crowbar. I can walking into any REI and buy rope. Those are all "potentially dangerous and lethal tools". What regulations do you proposed to restrict from completely open access by the general public. Knives, blunt instruments and improvised hanging/suffocation tools account for 15,000 intentional deaths per year.
 
Because {guns - recreational} are both legal and a protected right; recreational firearms use has been affirmed by Congress to be a lawful and desired use of firearms.



Let me know when drug use becomes a protected right.

We can talk about the law. But that's just a problem with our legal system. It doesn't make the analogy any less legitimate, or the need to change the law if need be any less critical or necessary. Otherwise, we have what we have now: a dysfunctional mess. Laws from the 18th century, developed for weapons and purposes that no longer exist, and which have become completely obsolete with 21st century weapons technology.
 

Your analogy with knives and hammers is as ridiculous as my analogy with nuclear weapons. Just because you have open access to kitchen knives, does that mean you have open access to nukes? Forget the nukes. Should there be no limits and regulations on who can drive a semi, just because you can walk into a Bed, Bath, and Beyond and buy a a 9" butcher knife? There have to be limits. And those limits need to be constantly revisited and reevaluated as new technology becomes available. It's not an unlimited right.
 

No, the right to keep and bear arms is not currently an unlimited right. It is protected by Heller and Miller in that all firearms "in common use for lawful purposes" and/or "having a reasonable relationship to the preservation and efficiency of a well-regulated militia" are protected. The fact that a weapon is simply dangerous is not sufficient to allow restriction, as all firearms are considered to be dangerous. See Caetano v Massachusetts.
 

According to Randolph Roth in American Homicide, the homicide rate in colonial American was significantly higher than today's homicide rate. If you feel that the right to keep and bears arms is obsolete, see Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution. I presume you can count to 13.
 

Doesn’t matter. The point being that weapons technology will continue to evolve. It will require constant reevaluation as we go forward. The idea that we can never have any further restrictions or regulations is ridiculous. Can you see how things can get a little ridiculous if you keep digging in and preventing the laws and regulations from keeping up with the technology? Or do you think that’s just a price we have to pay for freedom?
 
I tire of your constant calls for evidence when you RARELY provide any yourself. You have provided it ONCE to my knowledge the entire time I have debated you
You must have a short memory. I provide evidence when asked and I made the claim first.
 

False dichotomy. However, you should reread Heller, Miller and especially Caetano. Technology changes do not suddenly disable Constitutional protections.
 

I always say pass the laws and let scotus decide. Scotus decisions are not carved in stone
 
False dichotomy. However, you should reread Heller, Miller and especially Caetano. Technology changes do not suddenly disable Constitutional protections.

OK, these are about weapons an infantry soldier can carry. When machine gun technology first became widely available around World War I, it was considered so outrageously and ridiculously deadly that it was going to make the whole notion of warfare obsolete. Not only did not do that, now every crazy person on the street thinks they’re entitled to one as a right.

In the future, I can easily see a portable death ray type of device that you can point to a building, school, apartment complex, Mall, or other structure, and it would instantly sterilize the place of any life. Don’t dismiss search technology too readily. No one less than Nikola Tesla himself was working on such a device when he passed away , based on electromagnetic waves, to protect against aircraft attacks.

Like machine guns, such a weapon would be very useful to infantry soldiers. But would you not think that some deliberation on such a weapon to be available to the public,, should it become available, would be necessary? Or just because an infantry soldier can carry it, we should automatically and blindly just allow free access to such a weapon to the entire public with no oversight or regulation?
 

Semiautomatic rifles were first available to civilians in 1908, well before any military adopted them as a service rifle. Infantry soldiers can carry a variety of weapons: bolt action rifles, revolvers, pistols, pump action shotguns, etc.

Are you implying that anyone who considers a semiautomatic weapon to be protected under Heller and Miller is a crazy person? Are you implying that no one has a right to any fully automatic small arm, even those that aren't crew served weapons? What verbiage in the Constitution or what SCOTUS decisions would support such a point?


Would such a weapon be both "dangerous and unusual"? Would such a weapon be "in common use for lawful purposes"?

When death rays are real world and not "what-ifs", we can discuss Constitutional protections for them. Until then, please focus the discuss on gun control of current weapons and the existing Constitutional protections.
 

why would we need regulations beyond ones that punish improper use of weapons or improper possession of weapons by persons who have been adjudicated too dangerous to possess them?
 
can you make a valid argument why honest citizens cannot own the same firearms civilian police use in our neighborhoods?
 
can you make a valid argument why honest citizens cannot own the same firearms civilian police use in our neighborhoods?

Yes. Because police have some screening, training, and accountability. And not all citizens are honest. Nor sane.
 
Yes. Because police have some screening, training, and accountability. And not all citizens are honest. Nor sane.

that's a stupid response. Lets assume the person is honest. I have had more extensive screening then cops, I have had better training/
 
Yes. Because police have some screening, training, and accountability. And not all citizens are honest. Nor sane.

Are all cops honest and/or sane? You should look up who committed the first mass shooting with an AR-15 in the US.
 
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Yes. Because police have some screening, training, and accountability. And not all citizens are honest. Nor sane.

but it does prove my point-gun banners trust the government more than the citizens even though citizens with clean records are less likely to misuse weapons than cops. That figures since most gun banners are big government statists-meaning they worship the government

we pro rights people trust citizens more than the government
 
Are all cops honest and/or sane? You should look up who committed the first mass shooting with an AR-15 is the US.

Its a faith based issue.
 
Yes. Because police have some screening, training, and accountability. And not all citizens are honest. Nor sane.

The idea that we should just "trust" everyone is so completely ridiculous it dismisses their entire argument
 
Yes. Because police have some screening, training, and accountability. And not all citizens are honest. Nor sane.

Every police officer goes thru a highly selective screening and training process. Not perfect but pretty good.

But Bubba and Cleatus didn't pass the 6th grade but somehow are as equally responsible. LOL
 
I agree with you in regards to both drugs and weapons. There are some drugs that are just two powerful and too dangerous to be made available to the general public such as the ones you mentioned above and then there are those drugs which can be sold over the counter and that anybody can buy. Of course, even over the counter drugs can be dangerous and even deadly if not used properly. By the same token there are some weapons that are too powerful and dangerous to be made available to the general public. Fully functional army tanks, fully armed fighter planes, rockets, high grade explosives, nuclear bombs, ect. Then there are weapons that are and should be made available to the general public. Any kind of gun that you can find at a gun shop in a gun friendly state.
 
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