If men could get pregnant (1 Viewer)

[americanwoman]

Do you think abortions would quadruple? And do you think those men pro-lifers would change their mind?

 

[WI Crippler]

If men could get pregnant?? I don't even want to think about that, just because of the options of where it would come out of.

If men could get pregnant I don't think you'd see a big shift one way or the other. Usually men refrain from having strong abortion beliefs, unless they are religious types. If I was "pregnant", I'd probably keep it if it wasn't the product of rape. But thats just me. But if I had the ability to get pregnant, I would probably take steps to ensure it didn't happen, unless I wanted it to.
I can't imagine having the mood swings, waking up in the middle of the night and crying for no reason, or the weird food cravings. This topic sucks.

 

[americanwoman]

This topic sucks.

Ah, spoken like a true man :lol:

 

[WI Crippler]

Ah, spoken like a true man :lol:

Yeah, at least you appreciate my candor. My wife usually does not.

 

[1069]

I'm not sure there's much value in this type of hypothetical speculation.
It's not something that will ever happen, and it's not something that any of us can truly imagine, although I'm sure plenty of people will claim they can.
I've had this debate in other venues, and it invariably degenerates into:

"If men could get pregnant, there'd be no more abortions."

"Uh-huh. If men could get pregnant, there's be drive-through abortion clinics."

"Uh-uh! Men aren't like you stupid irresponsible sluts. We'd never dismember our own children just because we were having a bad hair day."

"Uh-HUH! You don't have any concept of what women go through! Men are wimps when it comes to pain. They'd never be able to handle it!"

"Uh-HUH!"

"Uh-UH!"

"Uh-huh!"

"Uh-uh!"

Etc, ad infinum, ad nauseum.

This hypothetical situation is simply not useful, and always ends up being divisive, in that people of both sexes end up using it to exaggerate gender differences and reinforce gender stereotypes.

Men can't get pregnant and never will be able to.

A more useful hypothetical might be, given the above fact, should men recuse themselves altogether from the abortion debate?

(My opinion is no; in fact, more men are prochoice than women, and we need them).

 

[Roberdorus]

Childbirth through the urethra...

Yikes.

 

[SpooK]

Childbirth through the urethra...

Yikes.

Just the thought of that is enough to give me nightmares.

 

[1069]

If men could get pregnant, I'm sure they'd invariably be thrilled and cherish their pregnancies and their offspring.
This is because, like infertile women who undergo IVF, they'd have to bankrupt themselves, go through all sorts of invasive and painful medical procedures, and take synthetic hormones and other drugs that would make them terribly ill before they could even hope to conceive.
Years of preparation would probably be involved.

People don't expose themselves to such torment unless they want to be pregnant really, really, really bad.

I'm sure that this would be as applicable to men (if medical science ever made male pregnancy possible) as it is to women undergoing fertility treatments today.

I doubt "male abortion" would ever be an issue at all.
It just defies credulity that a man would ever undergo such medical... modifications, unless he was entirely committed to the process.
The only circumstances under which I could foresee a male terminating a pregnancy would be if his life were endangered and his medical team insisted.

Males can (and do) breast-feed.
I don't know if you guys are aware of that.
They have to take estrogen for months in advance, and use a breast-pump to induce lactation.
Adoptive mothers who have never had children sometimes also choose to breastfeed their adoptive children this way.
Neither adoptive mothers nor males generally produce enough breastmilk to provide their baby's sole source of nourishment, but they can supplement with formula.
They breastfeed as a means of bonding with their baby and of passing on immunities.
Non-biological mothers (or fathers) who have gone to the trouble of artificially inducing lactation are usually very committed to breastfeeding and are often huge advocates of "nursing culture".
Males who artificially induce lactation actually grow breasts (not very large ones, but still...), and these do not always go away even after they cease nursing and taking hormones.
You know any man who would... shall I say it?... disfigure himself, permanently, this way... is fiercely committed to doing this thing.

I would expect pregnant men would be the same way, if and when the technology ever becomes available to allow this.

Childbirth through the urethra...

Yikes.

Common sense suggests that an egg would be fertilized in a petri dish, and the embryo implanted in some artificial womb-like organ that had been added to the man's body for this purpose.
When the fetus was at term, it would be delivered via c-section.
The difficult part would be getting the correct dosage of hormones so that the man's body would be a hospitable and receptive environment for the fetus and would not reject it (the way a patient sometimes rejects a transplant organ, resulting in potentially life-threatening systematic infection).
Then there would be the whole issue of the placenta and how the fetus would obtain the nutrients it needs to sustain itself from the man's body.
I'm sure, at some point in the near future, science will make it possible.
And I'm sure there will be some intrepid man willing to volunteer, if only to make history.
And I'm sure that conservatives and fundamentalists will decry the practice from the rooftops, condemn it up one side and down the other.
Nevertheless, it will be interesting, and I expect it will happen within my lifetime.

But as far as "What if men could get pregnant" like women get pregnant, it's not a helpful scenario, like I said.
Men could never have accidental pregnancies.
Men could never get raped and be impregnated against their will.
Only by the most herculean effort and expense and sacrifice could men ever hope to get pregnant at all; therefore, there is not and never will be a valid comparison between men's situation and women's, even once some miracle of modern science makes it possible for men to carry pregnancies.

 

[davideyoung]

Do you think abortions would quadruple? And do you think those men pro-lifers would change their mind?

As in man, I can answer and say no, I don't think abortion rates would increase for that reason, and no, pro-lifers would remain pro-lifers. Remember, many pro-lifers are women.

 

[Jerry]

Do you think abortions would quadruple? And do you think those men pro-lifers would change their mind?

If men could get pregnant then men would be women. If men were women, women would be men. If men were women and women were men, everything would be the same.

If Man were a unisex species, then the only thing which would be different is the non-existence of the notion that nearly half the species should have no say in whether their own biological children live or die.

There would still be Atheists/Humanists;
There would still be Theists/Deists;
There would still be Pro-Life and Pro-Choice; and everything would be the same.

I am curious though, why don't you ask: Do you think abortions would all but disappear? And do you think those men pro-choicers would change their mind?

It's no surprise that you only seek to villainize men, Lesbian Feminism type thinking is well established in America.

 

[Felicity]

Males can (and do) breast-feed.
I don't know if you guys are aware of that.
They have to take estrogen for months in advance, and use a breast-pump to induce lactation.

All I can say is that I hope they shave their nipples first...Eeeewww.:shock:







(I suppose that's "judgemental" of me--it's still gross--you wanna "bond"? go play ball with your son you freak!)

 

[WI Crippler]

Men breast-feeding?? Who the hell comes up with this idea....??? Horrible stuff here.

 

[FutureIncoming]

If men could get pregnant

I think the problem with this Thread is that the stated supposition is incomplete. It should be, "If men could get pregnant as easily as women...". In Msg #8, "1069" presented excellent logic based on the actual difficulty of such an event. So, it could be that we need to suppositionally remove the difficulties, to arrive at an answer that better reflects what this Thread is about.

However, then the answer becomes almost obvious. The more easily something can be done, the less value it is perceived to have. (It's easy to rack up a golf score of more than a hundred, but not so easy to impress anyone with such a score.) It could be simple to say that the average woman who seeks an abortion is doing so because she got pregnant too easily --while an average pro-life woman could be one who spent more than a decade trying/failing to become pregnant. ((That's ignoring the religious-brainwashing aspect, of course.)) Well, if men could become pregnant "as easily" as women, then we have to be talking about a RANGE here. On the whole, though, we are talking about a potential doubling of the pregnancy rate, simply because we are assuming a doubling of the size of the population able to become pregnant.

Per the Law of Supply and Demand, a doubling of availability tends to be associated with a halving of the valuation. So, a doubled pregnancy rate could certainly logically lead to a doubling of the abortion rate. Indeed, if there was not also to be a simultaneous doubling of the birth rate (including Caesarean deliveries, the most likely result of men being pregnant), the abortion rate would have to more-than-double.

 

[WI Crippler]

I am sorry, but I can't get this male breast feeding/ estrogen inducing thing out of my head. I always laughed off what some conservatives are saying about how our culture is creating men that are very feminine, and masculinity is dying out. But after reading that there are men who wish to breast feed, I am starting to have doubts now.

 

[Felicity]

I am sorry, but I can't get this male breast feeding/ estrogen inducing thing out of my head. I always laughed off what some conservatives are saying about how our culture is creating men that are very feminine, and masculinity is dying out. But after reading that there are men who wish to breast feed, I am starting to have doubts now.

Can you imagine being a teenage boy, flipping through your old baby pictures with the girl you are just totally in love with, and she's ooooh-ing and aaaah-ing over how cute you were and then you happen to flip through a few that show dad cuddling you to his bare and hormone-swollen "breast" with a sweet look of love in his eyes...??? I hope the Gerber Grow-up plan Pa-Ma invested in covers emergency psychiatric counseling!

I, too, find it disturbing. We do need men, and we need women—we don’t need gender neutral crap everywhere. Men can bond with their children in important ways WITHOUT neutering themselves.

 

[SpooK]

Can you imagine being a teenage boy, flipping through your old baby pictures with the girl you are just totally in love with, and she's ooooh-ing and aaaah-ing over how cute you were and then you happen to flip through a few that show dad cuddling you to his bare and hormone-swollen "breast" with a sweet look of love in his eyes...??? I hope the Gerber Grow-up plan Pa-Ma invested in covers emergency psychiatric counseling!

I, too, find it disturbing. We do need men, and we need women—we don’t need gender neutral crap everywhere. Men can bond with their children in important ways WITHOUT neutering themselves.

It reminds me of "Meet the Fockers", only in this situation, it is actually the man's boob. I wouldnt certainly be tweaked out if I ever saw a man breast-feeding a baby.

 

[WI Crippler]

Can you imagine being a teenage boy, flipping through your old baby pictures with the girl you are just totally in love with, and she's ooooh-ing and aaaah-ing over how cute you were and then you happen to flip through a few that show dad cuddling you to his bare and hormone-swollen "breast" with a sweet look of love in his eyes...??? I hope the Gerber Grow-up plan Pa-Ma invested in covers emergency psychiatric counseling!

I, too, find it disturbing. We do need men, and we need women—we don’t need gender neutral crap everywhere. Men can bond with their children in important ways WITHOUT neutering themselves.

I preferred football as a kid.

And what happens if there is a divorce?? I mean, is the new daddy not going to breast feed the new child, and will that create feelings of inadequacy on the childs part, because his new father won't accept him to his nipple??
I understand women breaking out of traditional roles and being on an equal playing field, but we got to keep it as "equal, but different" rather than make everybody the same.

 

[RadFemRocker]

I am curious though, why don't you ask: Do you think abortions would all but disappear? And do you think those men pro-choicers would change their mind?

It's no surprise that you only seek to villainize men, Lesbian Feminism type thinking is well established in America.

:roll: By who, when, where? At Hustler, Penthouse, Playboy, your Congress with lower female respresentation levels than Iraq? Your workplaces where women earn 80 cents to men's dollar?

You can cry villanization all you like while, but please, examples of feminist villanization of men would be nice.

All that aside though, it makes sense to phrase the question with regards to pro-life men as opposed to pro-choice men because people will often change their minds about certain issues when it's their asses(or uteruses) on the line. Right now men can push to strike down Roe, to push for a world in which everyone who gets pregnant is forced to risk her life to carry to term whever she likes it or not, safe in the knowledge that'll never be forced to gestate agaisnt their will, because they can't gestate period, but if they could? They might actually be forced to think about what women go through and challenge the misogynist notion that an egg with a sperm in is more important than a living breathing woman. Alternatively, they might just be forced to think how much shoving a baby out of a tiny hole would hurt. Either way, if men had anything to lose from the illegalisation of abortion, which they don't at present, you'd see further men lobbying against it, I gurantee.

Interesting reading on pro-lifers changing their minds when unplanned pregnancy comes to them: "The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion" - When the Anti-Choice Choose

 

[Spartacus FPV]

If men could get pregnant then men would be women. If men were women, women would be men. If men were women and women were men, everything would be the same.

If Man were a unisex species, then the only thing which would be different is the non-existence of the notion that nearly half the species should have no say in whether their own biological children live or die.

There would still be Atheists/Humanists;
There would still be Theists/Deists;
There would still be Pro-Life and Pro-Choice; and everything would be the same.

I am curious though, why don't you ask: Do you think abortions would all but disappear? And do you think those men pro-choicers would change their mind?

:applaud I'm with you on all this.

It's no surprise that you only seek to villainize men, Lesbian Feminism type thinking is well established in America.

And we were going so well...

 

[americanwoman]

It's no surprise that you only seek to villainize men, Lesbian Feminism type thinking is well established in America.

It's no surprise that you have no sense of humor. :2razz:

 

[RadFemRocker]

Can you imagine being a teenage boy, flipping through your old baby pictures with the girl you are just totally in love with, and she's ooooh-ing and aaaah-ing over how cute you were and then you happen to flip through a few that show dad cuddling you to his bare and hormone-swollen "breast" with a sweet look of love in his eyes...??? I hope the Gerber Grow-up plan Pa-Ma invested in covers emergency psychiatric counseling!

Seriously, how often do you think this would happen? Are you bringing it up to illustrate your fondness for traditional parenting roles or because you actually think it's going to become a widespread thing? It's not like it's harmful anyway.

I, too, find it disturbing. We do need men, and we need women—we don’t need gender neutral crap everywhere.

What's so wrong with the idea that what's between your legs shouldn't determine how you should behave? If you meant this in reference to breastfeeding then fairplay, but if you mean generally, I really don't see how society benefits from men trying to make themselves uber masculine and women trying to make themselves uber feminine. If you encourage people to be who they truly are they'lll exhibit both what are thought of as "masculine" traits and "feminine" ones. What's wrong with that?

Men can bond with their children in important ways WITHOUT neutering themselves.

Neuturing yourself would be kinda hard. You'd be anaethised and trying to operate and the mind just boggles. :doh Unless you meant by acting "feminine"?

 

[RadFemRocker]

It's no surprise that you have no sense of humor. :2razz:

lol Your response was not only more word effective than mine but snarkier. I like you.

 

[FutureIncoming]

"The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion" - When the Anti-Choice Choose

Nice! I also found this little beauty at that site:
Ovulation vs. Cretinism
Off-topic, but fun.

 

[Dr_Patrick]

Men would most definitely have more respect for women in many aspects. I find it interesting that so many men are opposed to abortion. Most of this stems from the fact that they have an inability to understand the physical and emotional pain that a woman goes through during pregnancy. If men could get pregnant this would end, and quickly.

 

[Navy Pride]

Do you think abortions would quadruple? And do you think those men pro-lifers would change their mind?

Wrong, I don't have to get shot from a gun to know it hurts........

Its a life that is being killed......