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If Legislatures overturn an election...

Will you support Legislatures overturning an election?


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They developed a structure.... for people to make a better society!

They developed a structure to ensure that "The Right People" (themselves and the others of their socioeconomic class") ruled that society.
 
-Pure- BS intended for ego gratification of Donald John Trump {BBHN}, weaken the faith of the American people in their own government, and scam people into donating money to PACs where it could be funneled off into the pockets of people one hell of a lot richer than you or me.[/S]
So you are saying that if the courts and judges ruled that the election results were fraudulent and there was overwhelming evidence for that nothing would have happened? Interesting.
 
"the base premise behind a Republic [sic] Form of Representative Governance, is a "Social Construct"."

See definition of "Social Contract" above.
I'm not splitting hairs with you... long as the point is taken... spinning is not necessary. Geez!!!
 
Did you know that the history of "free public education" extends back just a wee tad further than 1834 (or even 1790)? How much further? About 3,200 years.

Would you like to bet that the Public School Code of 1949 which directs "… teaching and presentation of the principles and ideals of the American republican representative form of government as portrayed and experienced by the acts and policies of the framers of the Declaration of Independence and framers of the Constitution of the United States and Bill of Rights. . ." DID include teaching innocent young school children that the Founding Fathers had no intention that the "average citizen" have any say in the choice of the makeup of "the Executive Branch", "the Judicial Branch", or "the Senate" and that the Founding Fathers would have been absolutely aghast at the idea of letting females, blacks, or other lesser beings actually vote?
The point was about America,. as to general public education itself, the wealthy always found ways to educate their young, as to Education itself; Education has existed in one form or the other since mankind developed family and families developed group community.

We already know that when they declared themselves as white men who are wealthy, land holders and business men as "Person"...
Woman was not consider as person, she was treated like a possession, blacks were considered property, as non persons, and the poor uneducated white men, were not part of the concept of person, with regards to the right to vote.

These men wanted to Plutocrats who function like an Oligarchy, and they wanted to rule over the people like a autocrat, and among themselves they wanted to be consider on par with monarchy based on their wealthy holding. When it came to blacks they were a dictatorship, as well as they treated poor whites as their idea of American forms of Serfdom. they morphed it by many terms from indentured servant, share cropping to gerrymandering.

  • In the late 1866 after the abolition of slavery, people became more informed and began to push for labor rights, they advanced to create Unions. Unions were strong until 1964, passage of the Civil Rights Act, by 1965, when the Voting Rights Act Passed wealthy white people began to feed poor whites anti-union spin, because they did not want women and minorities to have equal union scale pay as white men. Gerrymandering has been a go to program of the wealthy, to feed their gerrymandered contained groups with racial divisiveness, which is a basis that given the wealthy the means to pit the working poor whites against anything that will benefit "ALL" people, women, blacks, immigrants and dire poor whites.

  • The only people who can't grasp this is the white people who bought into White Nationalism, but what they failed to understand was , White Nationalism is about Wealthy White Male Dominance of White National Interest, Industry, Business, Political, Judicial, and Executive Decisions.
In these forums when anyone tries to awake the poor whites to truth, they go on defense, rather than think and learn. (that's the power that racism has within how they were fed it, so they continue to defeat themselves, all to promote their groomed intention to deny anything and everything they can to women, blacks and immigrants).

Still to this day, people with wealthy try and fashion themselves as if they are an elite monarchy, when basically they are savages driven by greed who will adopt any act to try and retain to power relative to what is alike an Autocracy.
Society has submitted itself to this madness, by the ass kissing that is given to the wealthy,
(many white men in general, want so bad to be considered as equals with the wealthy, until they became more violent in every means, seeking acceptance by wealthy white men, when they were nothing but mere tools, functioning as a person guard unity to protect wealthy white men). They were given preference in access to job, access to credit debt, and taught to measure their lives by materialism and money). Even today, the white men who have a few 100K and maybe a few million, have not advanced any further than their ancestry, because the wealthy count their money in $Billions.
This is the Caste and Class System that wealthy white men set in motion, when they HIJACKED The Constitution an claimed it for themselves only.

When people realize in today's society, ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE... is the equality factor... is not based on ones monetary holding, land, business or industry.
We allow them to use "lobbyist" to buy way the voice of the people. Political Parties are NOTHING MORE THAN "A Lobbyist Organization"...
One for The Wealthy (Republicanism) and One for The Common People (Democrats) .. all the other parties are nothing more than groups that try to straddle the fence, leaning one way or the other.
 
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We saw in 2020, the power these wealthy men set for themselves, when we watched people who engaged sedition, subversion, and treasonous acts, given prison in months, and then were pardoned. We saw it with Nixon, ... These were the escape clauses they gave themselves, to be above the penalty of the laws.

It's exactly white Trump is not in prison, or executed for the Treason he engaged, promoted, and the sedition he preached, and the subversion that he led his followers to engages to the acts of insurrection to try and enact a Coup d'état.

All this exist because of the willful Civics Illiteracy within the society, and the infusion of white nationalist racism and its acts and actions of promoting the White Nationalist Agenda of white male dominance.
  • Republicans would not hold hearing and call witness against one of their own white men. We watched Republican's deny the savage Insurrections efforts to enact a Coup d'etat .... Because it was their white leader whom they expected to give white men the power that the Framers gave to themselves. We see it again in States enacting their Voter Corruptions of Trying to Fix A Steal of Future Elections.

We saw them start 2 yrs before 2016 to program a smear against Hillary with Benghazi, and when facts proved it was Republican Responsibility, we have not heard another word about Benghazi. They know many of the older people are tech illiterate, so they played the "email game', but the media became silent about Trump having destroyed computers and Pence having cleaned his computers.

Wealthy White Men will do ANYTHING to try and retain power. Trump would have started a war with China or Iran if he could have gotten away with it, to stay in power.

  • Working class white men, would do themselves fair and good services to stop supporting and defending the White Nationalism of Wealthy White Male Dominance, if they ever figure that out, they will find their lives will improve 20 fold... when they start supporting programs that serve the working class and not give everything to the wealthy, and the industrialist and financial industry. Unfortunately, too many can't get past the groomed in ideology of racism such as that promoted in the 1960 by George Wallace and Barry Goldwater's. Working white peoples lives have declined and been stagnated since them, all in the effort to try and hold back women and black men.
Look at commentary through out these type of Forums, and look at the working class white men who continue to vote Republican, never stopping to think and realize that Republican support NOTHING that will benefit the working class. They stand against Minimum Wage Hikes, Trump wanted to stop companies from having to maintain safety records, so working class injured on the job would have no safety violation data to back up their workman's comp claims and suits, and they could say the injury was the fault of the worker and avoid compensation and paying the claims when suits are filed.

Its very difficult to get working class white men to awaken, because they submit themselves to exactly what Lyndon Johnson said about them.
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President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
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Martin Luther King Jr. also tried to awaken them, and they would not listen:
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Toward the end of the Reconstruction era, something very significant happened. (Listen to him) That is what was known as the Populist Movement. (Speak, sir) The leaders of this movement began awakening the poor white masses (Yes, sir) and the former Negro slaves to the fact that they were being fleeced by the emerging Bourbon interests. Not only that, but they began uniting the Negro and white masses (Yeah) into a voting bloc that threatened to drive the Bourbon interests from the command posts of political power in the South.

To meet this threat, the southern aristocracy began immediately to engineer this development of a segregated society. (Right) I want you to follow me through here because this is very important to see the roots of racism and the denial of the right to vote. Through their control of mass media, they revised the doctrine of white supremacy. They saturated the thinking of the poor white masses with it,

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If it may be said of the slavery era that the white man took the world and gave the Negro Jesus, then it may be said of the Reconstruction era that the southern aristocracy took the world and gave the poor white man Jim Crow.
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He gave him Jim Crow. (Uh huh) And when his wrinkled stomach cried out for the food that his empty pockets could not provide, (Yes, sir) he ate Jim Crow, a psychological bird that told him that no matter how bad off he was, at least he was a white man, better than the black man. (Right sir) And he ate Jim Crow. (Uh huh) And when his undernourished children cried out for the necessities that his low wages could not provide, he showed them the Jim Crow signs on the buses and in the stores, on the streets and in the public buildings. (Yes, sir) And his children, too, learned to feed upon Jim Crow, (Speak) their last outpost of psychological oblivion. (Yes, sir)

Thus, the threat of the free exercise of the ballot by the Negro and the white masses alike (Uh huh) resulted in the establishment of a segregated society. They segregated southern money from the poor whites; they segregated southern mores from the rich whites; (Yes, sir) they segregated southern churches from Christianity (Yes, sir); they segregated southern minds from honest thinking; (Yes, sir) and they segregated the Negro from everything. (Yes, sir) That’s what happened when the Negro and white masses of the South threatened to unite and build a great society: a society of justice where none would pray upon the weakness of others; a society of plenty where greed and poverty would be done away; a society of brotherhood where every man would respect the dignity and worth of human personality.


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Let us march on poverty (Let us march) until no American parent has to skip a meal so that their children may eat. (Yes, sir) March on poverty (Let us march) until no starved man walks the streets of our cities and towns (Yes, sir) in search of jobs that do not exist. (Yes, sir) Let us march on poverty (Let us march) until wrinkled stomachs in Mississippi are filled, (That’s right) and the idle industries of Appalachia are realized and revitalized, and broken lives in sweltering ghettos are mended and remolded.

Let us march on ballot boxes, (Let’s march) march on ballot boxes until race-baiters disappear from the political arena.

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The very minute that working class white men, stop voting Republican, we will see the wealthy launch a whole new attack and campaign to increase the promotion of racism. We already began to see in in 2008, when Obama was elected, The Tea Party rose up, We see in 2016 with Trump embracing racist, anti-government types and aggrieved white men, whom republican have feed them fodder and mistruth to heighten their sense of grievance. Then led them to Attack The Institution of Democracy.
BECAUSE, Wealthy White Men of White Nationalism HAS NEVER wanted full and true Representative Democracy to be in the hand and voices of the people.
They IMMEDIATELY began to set up AGAIN, to rig election in their favor and promote voter repressive acts and every conceivable thing they can do to try and ensure they can steer any election to themselves.

ITS TIME FOR WORKING CLASS WHITE MEN TO AWAKEN, and join with the Democracy Loving People, and support the Democratic Party's Principles of Returning The Voice of Government over to the people through their ability to elect people who represent the interest of the People and Nation.

Working Class white men must awaken to the damages they do to the future of their own sons and daughters, by and through their support and vote for Republicanism.
Republicanism does not care about your kids being educated, they don't care about your aged parents not getting medical care, they don't care about you, having access to social security, or Medicaid .. When you can no longer produce profit and gain for them, they have no more need for you, because in their view, as long as you are sexually active, you will create more disposable labor bots for generations upon generations.
 
Words have meanings and using the wrong word tends to create illogical thinking.
The point is... PEOPLE SHOULD INVEST IN THINKING...

Put forth commentary that discusses the nature of the system and how it was bastardized, rather than going from post to post nit picking for what ever your objective of doing so.
I value words and I know why I used the words in the 'context" that I used it. If you want to expound on your interpretation based on "Social Contract" and explain to the people the nature, function and principle of that contract, then do so, otherwise, you are contrubiting nothing to the ongoing exploration of the Civics of this Representative Democracy, and what it takes for THE PEOPLE to make it stand up to its principles and values FOR EVERYONE.

You seem like an intelligent person... I'd say use it to contribute to the details of what is being discussed.

I deal with white men every day... who try to pick and point to divert from the subject matter, I've dealt with it for decades. I don't allow them to distract me from the principles of the subject matter. They either get silent, or next time they do their research and come with something substantive or they remain silent'; although, some will always continue to try and bog-down and convolute the subject matter looking for a person ego elation.

Most of these Conservative claiming older men in this forum can't engage the details of Civics, because they were not taught to do so, in past generation, and many have never concerned themselves to learn it, because they always counted on the Wealthy White Men of White Nationalism to make decisions for them and then gerrymander them into indoctrination groups and feed to them, exactly what and how they wanted them to vote. To ensure these white men continue to vote the wealthy white nationalist white male agenda. They've never come to terms of awareness that the wealthy white men basically despise them. They find it out the minute they try to enter and mingle with the wealthy, so they have learned... not to try. They conjure up a zillion reasons why not to cross the lines in the city, town or work environment where white white men congregate and dominate.

So, with you, what will it be?
 
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When people realize in today's society, ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE... is the equality factor... is not based on ones monetary holding, land, business or industry.
We allow them to use "lobbyist" to buy way the voice of the people. Political Parties are NOTHING MORE THAN "A Lobbyist Organization"...
One for The Wealthy (Republicanism) and One for The Common People (Democrats) .. all the other parties are nothing more than groups that try to straddle the fence, leaning one way or the other.

OK, so we are in agreement that "The Founding Fathers" did NOT originate the idea of "free public education" as you implied.

I do agree that one foolish, uninformed, bigoted, and uneducated, vote counts for exactly as much as one wise, informed, unprejudiced, and educated vote. Whether or not it should I will leave for you to decide, but I would really like to know your reasoning if you conclude that it should.

BTW, "One for The Wealthy (Republicanism) and One for The Common People (Democrats)" is incorrect on two points. The first point is that BOTH the "Republican Party" and the "Democratic Party" support "republicanism".

The second point is rather more telling because what you actually have in the United States of America is "The MORE Reactionary Wing of the American Oligarchic Capitalist Party (DBA ‘The Republican Party’)" and "The LESS Reactionary Wing of the American Oligarchic Capitalist Party (DBA ‘The Democratic Party’)".
 
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Wealthy White Men will do ANYTHING to try and retain power. Trump would have started a war with China or Iran if he could have gotten away with it, to stay in power.

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"Wealthy White Men will do ANYTHING to try and retain power."

That isn't quite correct. More correct is

"Those in power will do anything (they think that they can get away with) to try and retain power.".
 
OK, so we are in agreement that "The Founding Fathers" did NOT originate the idea of "free public education" as you implied.

I do agree that one foolish, uninformed, bigoted, and uneducated, vote counts for exactly as much as one wise, informed, unprejudiced, and educated vote. Whether or not it should I will leave for you to decide, but I would really like to know your reasoning if you conclude that it should.

BTW, "One for The Wealthy (Republicanism) and One for The Common People (Democrats)" is incorrect on two points. The first point is that BOTH the "Republican Party" and the "Democratic Party" support "republicanism".

The second point is rather more telling because what you actually have in the United States of America is "The MORE Reactionary Wing of the American Oligarchic Capitalist Party (DBA ‘The Republican Party’)" and "The LESS Reactionary Wing of the American Oligarchic Capitalist Party (DBA ‘The Democratic Party’)".
Remember, I never said the founding father originated "free public education" Read Post 208

As to One Person, One Vote... its up to people to educate themselves, if they value the premise and premise of Representative Democracy.

Yes, there is systemic Oligarchy... that too is up to the people, to break the cycle of treating the wealthy as if they are Monarch's... and stop submitting to the wealthy. That too, involves a society that invest in deeper Civics Education of what a Representative Democracy is. (that will take decades because society has a extensive saturation of Civics Illiteracy, and until they put the focus in Education on Civics, they will churn and churn in the storms created by the oligarch's of whom the plutocrats consider themselves American version of monarch's.

Yes, both support the Republic Form of Representative Governance, but for different reasons. one is for the voice of the people, and one is for the voice of the wealthy industrialist, business people, the financial industry, and now the large land holders who are still the wealthy.

Sadly, the influences of Plutocratic Oligarchy, plagues every Democracy on the Planet.
 
This is true



Very true
 
Was there fraud in 2020? Should Arizona have overturned the popular vote? How about PA & GA?
PA and GA for sure... don't know what really happened in Arizona.

You have to understand that digging through the crime scene now, almost a year later, those who committed fraud have had all that time to clean up the evidence - whatever that might entail.

In PA, it was more straight forward in that the courts clearly violated the law, and then after the fact refused to hear cases challenging the result based on their erroneous rulings by saying it was too late.

Everyone involved belongs in jail.

GA, there is also sufficient evidence available to prove fraud there - but the corrupt Republican leadership there has ties to China and won't permit a true audit.

Even there though, I think given the way they cheated, they might be able cover that up by generating more fraudulent ballots cast by actual people whom they know did not vote.

Bottom line is - nothing is going to happen. The Democrats are moving quickly and efficiently toward corrupting the system enough that it will ensure that America will never have another honest election.

America is moving quickly toward 3rd world status.
 
PA and GA for sure... don't know what really happened in Arizona.

You have to understand that digging through the crime scene now, almost a year later, those who committed fraud have had all that time to clean up the evidence - whatever that might entail.

In PA, it was more straight forward in that the courts clearly violated the law, and then after the fact refused to hear cases challenging the result based on their erroneous rulings by saying it was too late.

Everyone involved belongs in jail.

GA, there is also sufficient evidence available to prove fraud there - but the corrupt Republican leadership there has ties to China and won't permit a true audit.

Even there though, I think given the way they cheated, they might be able cover that up by generating more fraudulent ballots cast by actual people whom they know did not vote.

Bottom line is - nothing is going to happen. The Democrats are moving quickly and efficiently toward corrupting the system enough that it will ensure that America will never have another honest election.

America is moving quickly toward 3rd world status.
How many counts would suffice to put the Big Lie out to pasture?
 
so we are worried that GOP legislatures in the future (certainly they are past the point of overturning senile Joe's election) overturn elections but we don't know if there was fraud or nor? Or are the TDS posters trying to whine about the GOP once again?

Does anyone with at least an IQ of salamander or higher really worry that Biden is going to be thrown out of office based on some activity by a GOP state legislature? or is this merely mental masturbation?
More like BDS, jeesh the GOP lost. They need to move on and heal there butt hurt.
 
People are crazy!!! White Nationalist simply can't digest the fact they don't get to dominate elections!! They don't like it because Blacks, Mexicans, Asian, and other ethnicities, including Liberal white people did not vote for the White Nationalist Republican Party.

That's all this bullshit about voter fraud is based upon! A bunch of white people pissed off because they could not dominate the elections. It's a long history of them doing anything and everything to block out and push out people who don't vote for white nationalist agenda.

The majority of American's are sick and tired of White Nationalism... it's screwed up America for 157+ yrs since the Abolition of Slavery, and it damaged America for 100's of years before the abolition of slavery.

America was not built by white people, even though they held all the decision making roles and hoarded all the money; it was the labor of a diverse mixture of people who built America and it is a diverse group of people that makes American function.

The Era of White Nationalist Dominance by Wealthy White Males is coming to its end. We see they will attack and damage anything to try and hold on to the system of White Nationalism.

Throughout America's History (SOME) white people can't just simply live and respect others as person, who is individual. Between Greed, Vanity, Ego, Envy and the Resentment it creates is the make up of their madness. Those types are simply too hung up in delusion of superiority, until they have been hell makers for Centuries. They use the poor whites as their pawns and their foot soldiers of chaos making, while the wealthy promote and agenda of "Divisiveness", because its profitable to the wealthy, it keeps wages low, it keeps people indebted to the wealthy while wrapping the people in credit debt... like a system with the principles of share cropping, where the people find themselves forever in cycles of indebtedness to the wealthy.

Even Public Traded Companies, are corrupt in the system's gaming. No Public Traded Company should ever be allowed to not pay citizens a living wage. White people whine and cry with a bastardized concept of social society, when the fact of a "Public" traded company is a Social Programming.

America has great value and principles designed into its Founding Documents, and for 100's of years wealthy white people have bastardized it to feed greed, vanity, ego and prejudices, and they feed the poor whites a continual diet of 'agitations" to keep the focus from the wealthy who orchestrated this madness.

They have used the Media and every other tool they can conjure up to push imagery and words that promote divisiveness, and white people suck it in and shape their lives behind it, for predominantly white movies, predominantly white commercials, and any other means they can feed these illusions and delusions into white society. It has them claiming depressed if they can't live like a scripted TV program, or chase every material thing they see in the staged advertisements, and even their kids are groomed to measure each other based on how they identify and mimic TV characters. They come to worship these characters as the model for their life, until they can't even hold these people accountable when they do criminal acts. i.e. The University Corruptions, they let these people off with a hand slap and a few days, weeks or a few months in a comfort jail setting.
Every time white people create henious crimes, they try and sanitize it away, with some bullshit of "Oh' he/she did not take their meds", to letting off college boys, who rape women, because he comes from a wealthy family. They let the white man John Hinkley who shot Reagan, go home or where ever. It just send a message that white people can do anything and white nationalism will find means to give them an excuse and ultimately free them.
We saw it with Manafort, Flynn and Stone... who damaged America's Governance System. Trump is roaming free because a white male senate would not hold him accountable, for sedition, subversions, inciting and promoting an insurrections for the agenda of Treason, while trying to enact a Coup d'etat'
We see white people trying and wasting taxpayer money to allow this criminal to continue to spin a lie about elections, because he as a meglomaniac mad man, who has a delusional sense of entitlement, did not win the election.
 
Of course a bunch of Trump Republicans are going to support state legislatures overturning elections and throwing out the will of the people. Has no one been paying attention?
 
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Yes, we have other problems in the nation, such as black men killing each other like its some dame video game. to the media promoting women to think they have to show their ass and anything else they can show, as their stamp of social status, while crying about "respect me as a person", when they are not demonstrating charger, they are being promoted to be sexualized exhibitionist. These are social issue that distort the realism of life into caricature madness. A grand distraction while political corruption is advanced by Republicanisms white nationalist agenda.

We have an immigration matter, that is more bias and bigotry than it is about the truths of Immigration. Many of those that seek to immigrate come to "work", and American has more than enough need for labor than truth is being told. We have blight that needs to be cleaned up across this nation, we have many types of work that white people are not willing to do, and many types of work that black people are not willing to do, which is work that immigrant are more than willing to do.
We have massive land spaces to accommodate many people, rather than trying to measure America based on Major Metro's.
There are Farmers across the nation who would welcome the immigrant help. It was immigrant labor that built the housing boom in America since the late 1980's, and no one complained when they got those houses built in record time. The majority of Mexico and Central American immigrants have stronger family bonds than many Americans.

We have black communities that can't get the funding to rebuild, because they are black areas, we have schools in minorities areas that are not kept and maintained, or equipped to the level of white schools in middle class and upper middle class communities.

All this stuff is real..... Racist Ignorance, and the want to promote the ideology of white nationalism, has pushed every kind of prejudicial concepts that bastardize so much, that people are caught in a cycle of prejudiced agitations, that promotes nothing but wide spread anguish, by a society that is in dire need of better educations and certainly higher focus on Civics Education.
 
Of course a bunch of Trump Republicans are going to support state legislatures overturning elections and throwing out the will of the people. Has no one been paying attention?
People are paying attention, Democratic Public Constituency (The People) simply are too passive to speak up!!!! They expect the politicians to do something, while they sit on their asses and keep their mouths shut... and all it does it cause them to buy into Republican Narratives until they confound and confuse themselves and that results into a passive weakness.
 
People are paying attention, Democratic Public Constituency (The People) simply are too passive to speak up!!!! They expect the politicians to do something, while they sit on their asses and keep their mouths shut... and all it does it cause them to buy into Republican Narratives until they confound and confuse themselves and that results into a passive weakness.
Volunteer to make phone calls for the Democratic Party.
 
Overturning bad calls by booth review. If you believe in science Biden could not have won. As the how it was done, from many fronts, comes know the decision must be corrected.
 
Overturning bad calls by booth review. If you believe in science Biden could not have won. As the how it was done, from many fronts, comes know the decision must be corrected.
Geez.... !!! Get over the fact that white people of Republicanism and their White Nationalist Constituency... Don't get to dominate nor dictate elections just because they are white people, and any expectation that they should get to dominate anything... is a ignorance that was created in Jim Crow, and will not be repeated in America.

Trump was and is a low life melomaniac mad man that spent 4 yrs promoting dissension and white nationalist vile upon and against America and engaged sedition, subversion and inciting insurrection to try and enact a treasonous coup d'etat.... and you have the audacity to think because white people worship that kind of vile and malice, that people were suppose to give him a vote because he had a delusion of entitlement.
This is not 1950's and white people don't get to dictate over America... American suffered that crap for 100's of years and is tired of it and will not submit to it, not now, and not in the future. White Nationalism has no place in America's Representative Democracy.
 
Volunteer to make phone calls for the Democratic Party.
All of "us" could and should ... do many different things to promote the Representative Democracy and the Democratic Respect for This Nation and Governance.

We've fell victim to enough Right Wing Ideology and its Agenda for too many decades.
 
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