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If Iran Has Nuclear Weapons, The Middle East Will calm Down and Iran Will be a Peaceful Nation?

Iran has never invaded another country.

Congratulations for providing a post that has nothing to do with the OP or any other post in the thread.

I guess none of this ever happened either.

Iran and state-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia

The U.S. can't say the same and the U.S. helped Saddam Hussein invade them and turned a blind eye to Hussein using chemical weapons on Iran. Iran lost 200,000 people in that war. How can you just ignore that?

Not under Trump.
 

I provided links for you, more than once in this thread. If you choose to ignore them it isn't my problem.

IAEA Says Iran Abiding by Nuclear Deal | Arms Control Association
 
This is the new mantra of Liberal ideology. Trump is bad, Iran is good, and we deserve to have our embassy attacked because America has no right to get involved in middle east affairs?

I mean, if the goal was to have a nuclear Iran, then Trump has been doing a great job getting there. Pulled out of an international agreement we had to limit production and now after the latest attack, Iran has announced it's pulling out the brakes and going to refine Uranium. So I guess if conservatives thought that a nuclear Iran was a good idea, they've done a great job getting there.
 

You tube? :lamo Here, try this for facts:

United States and state-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia

Is this "falsified information"?

IAEA Says Iran Abiding by Nuclear Deal | Arms Control Association
 

That "ancient history" you are trying to blow off is exactly why we are in the situation we see today. On two other threads members are discussing the ramifications of the American Civil War, which is 50 years even more "ancient" than WWI and almost a hundred years more "ancient" than WWII. People are free to pooh-pooh whatever they like, but I think history-deniers are as disgusting as science-deniers.

George Santayana said it best:
"Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
 
You tube? :lamo Here, try this for facts:

Yeah, you know, Youtube. Where they have videos like the one where Nikki Haley is telling the UN if they don't do thier job and inspect the Nuclear facilities on Military installations the US is pulling out of the deal.

I guess the UK doesn't get Youtube or know what it is.


I missed the part where any of this was under Trump


Only the learning impaired or Liberal cultist will ignore the US demanding the IAEA to inspect ALL nuclear facilities. Iran was in compliance in the facilities they allowed the IAEA to inspect and refused to allow them to inspect the nuclear facilities on their military bases.

But you go right ahead and ignore it. Thats what everyone expects you to do.
 
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Thats what happens when you just ignore ALL the material. Read the OP again and get back to me. Or are you knowingly ignoring it?
 
Thats what happens when you just ignore ALL the material. Read the OP again and get back to me. Or are you knowingly ignoring it?

Your OP has been nothing more that propaganda. The reality is that Iran just announced that it was pulling out all the brakes and is going to run full uranium enrichment manufacturing. We had an international agreement to get them to abandon production, it seemed that they were following that. But that's all gone, and Iran is now going to produce enriched uranium on Trump's watch. That's the reality. I know, spin spin spin is what your side does to try to distract from the reality.

But we have no agreement with Iran, and Iran has said it's going full force in enriching uranium. That's the real world. Deal with it.
 

Wow, do you really believe this crap in real life, Boris this for effect on the site?
 
No, I'm not saying that.

Oh I see. You’re just saying that you know a republican president would have just “done the right thing”. You may not know what that is, but it would’ve just been the right thing. because by definition anything or republican president does is the right thing. Got it.
 

Meaning you just ignore the actual events just to dig at Trump. Its why nobody believes a Democrat anymore. Anything you don't like is propaganda and only what you presume becomes actual facts.

Kind of what the entire thread is about. Liberals side with Iran over America no matter what the facts show.

So according to you

Iran refusing to allow inspections of Nuclear facilities on military sights is propaganda
Nikki Haley demanding inspections of these military sights or the US is pulling out is propaganda

Iran attacking ships is propaganda
Iran taking hostages is propaganda
Iran confiscating ships in propaganda
Iran shooting down our drone is propaganda
Iran attacking our embassy is propaganda

But Trump killing their general is just Trump working on reelection

We get it.
 

You didn’t provide anything. Not even a link. Just an opinion piece that seeks to rationalize an action that Trump blustered about making before he even became President.

It was clear to one and all that it didn’t matter what Iran did, or what the facts are. Trump was going to undo the nuclear deal regardless.

Our allies, the Russians and the Chinese were well aware of that. So was Tehran.

Trump’s idiotic bombast, his threats to attack religious sites, his false claims, his clear lack of any plan make it clear that his only interest is shoring up his flat earth talk radio base.

What’s really pathetic is watching the same parochial flat earth right wingers fall for the exact same chest beating and bombast that George W Bush and Dick Cheney used to peddle the wrong war in the wrong country in 2003.

The right wing sheep are braying the same gun toting, flag waving mindless jingoism that they did in 2003.

A trillion dollars later, they clearly have not learned.
 

LOL. You are free to assume all you like but you'd still be wrong.

One way I differentiate the intelligent, educated and sane posters are those who do not label me a "Trump cultist", "Right Winger", "Republican", "Con", etc along with those who do not label me a "Lefty", "Democrat", "Dem", "Hillary supporter", etc. Why? Because I know they are smart enough to do their homework and look at a few of my posts on a variety of subjects before coming to a conclusion.

Unfortunately, far too many people are just angry and lashing out so that they sling crap at people without any evidence. I don't take it personally, I just know that they do not fit the criteria of "intelligent, educated and sane". Sad.
 
Meaning you just ignore the actual events just to dig at Trump. Its why nobody believes a Democrat anymore.

Well it's a good thing I'm not a democrat then.

Anything you don't like is propaganda and only what you presume becomes actual facts.

The facts are clear. We started with an international agreement to keep Iran from manufacturing enriched uranium. We now have no deal and Iran has said it's going to start manufacturing. Those are facts. Deal with it.

Kind of what the entire thread is about. Liberals side with Iran over America no matter what the facts show.

Pointless partisan drivel. We're in a tight spot now, and it can all spiral out of control real easily. We need to have competent, rational heads in control. End of story. Your just an endless barrage of excuses.


By all accounts, Iran was in compliance with the agreement, that has been linked to you by others. You just wish to ignore it because it doesn't help promote your propaganda. No one said anything about Iran attacking ships, that's just you lashing out because I won't swallow your propaganda nonsense.

It's quite possible Trump acted in ways he thought that would keep him in office. He did tweet during Obama's first term that Obama would start a war to win re-election. But past presidents have forgone attacks on the General because they thought it could provoke even greater hostilities, for whatever reason, Trump didn't pass and now we're here. We are in a world where Iran has stated that it's going to start manufacturing enriched uranium. That's it. That's the reality. It seems that those past Presidents who didn't attack may have been on to something because we got decades of Iran not making nuclear weapons out of it.
 


I’m not quite sure how hating Iran, while looking the other way while Saudi Arabia does everything Iran does, including 9/11, became gospel in right wing talk radio America, but it did.
 

I thought Trump made it clear in his campaign. He was going to unwind any agreement with Iran that allowed them to continue a nuclear program.

The agreement with Iran states clearly they are to allow inspections of all off sight nuclear facilities.

Nobody was inspecting the off sight facilities on Iran's military installations

Nikki Haley demanded the UN inspect the facilities Iran was using on their military installations

Iran refused and Trump imposed sanctions.

We already know Iran has the ability to provide a deliverable nuclear weapon in 30-60 days. This is why the inspections of those military facilities were relevant.

Iran refused, Trump imposed sanctions, and Iran started attacking ships, shot down our drone, and attacked out embassy.

But you don't want to hear anything about why, you just want to hate on Trump and you are more than willing to side with Iran to do it.

You would prefer Iran detonate a weapon before we respond. We don't do that.
 
Wow, do you really believe this crap in real life, Boris this for effect on the site?

Didn't I provide you with questions so you can clear the air? I guess you don't want to answer them. I wouldn't either if I was a Democrat.
 
I’m not quite sure how hating Iran, while looking the other way while Saudi Arabia does everything Iran does, including 9/11, became gospel in right wing talk radio America, but it did.

Maybe because Iran is the global leader in state sponsored terrorism and if they have a deliverable nuke, they will use it. Most likely on American soil.

Iran and state-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia
 

This is the perfect example as how out of touch you are with the reality of the situation.
We started with an international agreement to keep Iran from manufacturing enriched uranium.

False, the agreement doesn't stop them from manufacturing enriched uranium. They are allowed to produce it for medical and farming products.

Iran was in compliance with the agreement

False, they refused to allow inspections of their nuclear facilities on any military installations.

We are in a world where Iran has stated that it's going to start manufacturing enriched uranium.

In the same place where they advertised they would do the following


But you are stating we should just believe them?
 
Congratulations for providing a post that has nothing to do with the OP or any other post in the thread.

I guess none of this ever happened either.

Iran and state-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia



Not under Trump.

You talked about Iran's 40 years of murdering people. The truth is Iran has never invaded another country. We helped Saddam Hussein invade them and kill 200,000 of their people. We let Hussein use chemical weapons. But I guess somehow we're not called sponsors of terrorism. We blow up a general without declaring a war but I guess we're not terrorists. It's BS for people who can't think critically.

The biggest sponsor of terrorism in the region is out "ally" Saudi Arabia. The 9/11 terrorists with from Saudi Arabia. Stay clueless.
 

Who cares what party is in power? It's the USA doing the terrorist stuff. And Nikki Haley, a Trump appointee? What do you expect from her, a deviation from Trump's rhetoric? She's just another Trump parrot.
 


Repeating yourself does not improve your case. But it does confirm that you “proved” nothing, and that your claims came right out of Donald Trump’s mouth.

No one believes a word Donald Trump says, and for good reason.

Nor does it matter what you thought.

The talk radio right spent the entire time that the Obama Administration worked with world leaders to hammer out a deal with Iran condemning the entire thing out of hand in advance.

All parties were closely involved in nursing it along and building trust.

Neither the deal, nor how well it wasworking were ever represented with any degree of honesty or accuracy in conseravative media in the US. It was something that the black man did, so in Limbaughlooney, it was, and is, instantly bad.

Trump’s campaign rhetoric about Iran was all made up. He had no campaign infrastructure that had any real knowledge of the situation. He is an idiot. Once he was President, he steadfastly refused to listen to anyone with any knowledge or experience.

This is not a matter of hating Trump or cheering for Iran.

Donald Trump has unilaterally created a major foreign policy crisis.

When Trump repoudiated the deal, his critics predicted that incidents of terrorism would rise, and there would be few reasons for Iran to come to the table, given the American duplicity, and the growing global understanding that the sitting President of the United States is not a man of his word, and cannot be trusted.

His rationalization for taking the action has already crumbled in a barrage of confusing mixed messages.

Once again, there is clearly no plan.

Instead, as usual, GOP leaders and the right wing noise machine are being turned to the task of rationalizing Trump’s latest impulsive stupidity and ramping up the Cheney era bluster.
 
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I'd mention British terrorism in Northern Ireland but no doubt someone would claim it's "ancient history".

If you want me to defend British practise in Northern Ireland you've come to the wrong person. I'm not an American conservative hypocrite.
 
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