If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free [W:1235:1274]*****************

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People like to point out countries such as the UK and Australia and about how such countries have a low crime rate and are very restrictive with guns and that its because of having heavy gun restrictions that's why they have a low crime rate. First of all Im not sure if the UK and Australia do have particularly low crime rates. Supposedly you're more likely to be mugged in London than in Harlem. Second of all, if more gun control did a good job at lowering crime than Mexico would be practically crime free and Mexico has a very high violent crime rate much higher than the USA. Mexico also has very restrictive gun control, perhaps more restrictive than Australia. Most handguns are banned in Mexico and in the entire country there is only one gun shop and its ran by the government. So with Mexico's crime epidemic that goes to show that gun control does not work in reducing crime.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

You are confusing simply having a law with actually enforcing that law. The US has immigration laws yet has about 12 million illegal immigrants. The US has a nationwide ban on many recreational drugs yet has a multi-billion dollar/year drug trade.

 

[soylentgreen]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

People like to point out countries such as the UK and Australia and about how such countries have a low crime rate and are very restrictive with guns and that its because of having heavy gun restrictions that's why they have a low crime rate. First of all Im not sure if the UK and Australia do have particularly low crime rates. Supposedly you're more likely to be mugged in London than in Harlem. Second of all, if more gun control did a good job at lowering crime than Mexico would be practically crime free and Mexico has a very high violent crime rate much higher than the USA. Mexico also has very restrictive gun control, perhaps more restrictive than Australia. Most handguns are banned in Mexico and in the entire country there is only one gun shop and its ran by the government. So with Mexico's crime epidemic that goes to show that gun control does not work in reducing crime.

What people, who points out this absurd idea? Care to provide a link or can we just laugh at your blatent pro gun propaganda nonesense.

 

[jet57]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

People like to point out countries such as the UK and Australia and about how such countries have a low crime rate and are very restrictive with guns and that its because of having heavy gun restrictions that's why they have a low crime rate. First of all Im not sure if the UK and Australia do have particularly low crime rates. Supposedly you're more likely to be mugged in London than in Harlem. Second of all, if more gun control did a good job at lowering crime than Mexico would be practically crime free and Mexico has a very high violent crime rate much higher than the USA. Mexico also has very restrictive gun control, perhaps more restrictive than Australia. Most handguns are banned in Mexico and in the entire country there is only one gun shop and its ran by the government. So with Mexico's crime epidemic that goes to show that gun control does not work in reducing crime.

Mexico is run by the cartels; what does THAT tell you? In other countries, GUN crime is down, that's the point.

 

[haymarket]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

People like to point out countries such as the UK and Australia and about how such countries have a low crime rate and are very restrictive with guns and that its because of having heavy gun restrictions that's why they have a low crime rate. First of all Im not sure if the UK and Australia do have particularly low crime rates. Supposedly you're more likely to be mugged in London than in Harlem. Second of all, if more gun control did a good job at lowering crime than Mexico would be practically crime free and Mexico has a very high violent crime rate much higher than the USA. Mexico also has very restrictive gun control, perhaps more restrictive than Australia. Most handguns are banned in Mexico and in the entire country there is only one gun shop and its ran by the government. So with Mexico's crime epidemic that goes to show that gun control does not work in reducing crime.

sure - because Mexico and the UK and Australia are exactly alike with the same conditions across the board. :doh:roll:

Talk about comparing apples to cinderblocks and then wondering why you keep chipping your teeth on that hard grey pie filling. :roll::shock:

 

[Rucker61]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

sure - because Mexico and the UK and Australia are exactly alike with the same conditions across the board. :doh:roll:

Talk about comparing apples to cinderblocks and then wondering why you keep chipping your teeth on that hard grey pie filling. :roll::shock:

Do you have the same advice for those to attempt to compare the US to Australia and the UK?

 

[haymarket]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

Do you have the same advice for those to attempt to compare the US to Australia and the UK?

All countries are different in different ways. Having said that, the USA is very similar to the UK and has a lot in common with Australia as well. In fact, all three of those countries have more similarities with each other than the oddball out Mexico has.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

You are confusing simply having a law with actually enforcing that law. The US has immigration laws yet has about 12 million illegal immigrants. The US has a nationwide ban on many recreational drugs yet has a multi-billion dollar/year drug trade.

As for the 12 million illegal immigrants, that's why President Trump has the right idea about putting up a border wall between the USA and Mexico and why he's doing the right thing with closing down the sanctuary cities and deporting people who are in the USA illegally. As for the drugs, depending on what kinds of drugs it can be hard to enforce laws that ban them especially when you're talking about drugs that can be grown in your basement, although many of the illegal drugs do come in from Mexico which is another reason why Trump is doing the right thing with wanting to put up a boarder wall.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

What people, who points out this absurd idea? Care to provide a link or can we just laugh at your blatent pro gun propaganda nonesense.

So are you saying the facts are wrong? Are you saying Mexico doesn't have a high crime rate?

 

[DebateChallenge]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

Mexico is run by the cartels; what does THAT tell you? In other countries, GUN crime is down, that's the point.

No, Mexico is run by the Legislative Branch, the Executive Branch which is the President of Mexico a position currently held by Enrique Peña Nieto, and the Judicial Branch. Very similar to the USA. As for gun crime being down in other countries, that depends on the country but even if gun crime is down in a certain country that doesn't mean other forms of crime are down too. Gun crime is only one type of crime, there are tons of other types of crimes. Bombing crimes and vehicular manslaughter crimes seem to be quite the rage right now in the U.K.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

As for the 12 million illegal immigrants, that's why President Trump has the right idea about putting up a border wall between the USA and Mexico and why he's doing the right thing with closing down the sanctuary cities and deporting people who are in the USA illegally. As for the drugs, depending on what kinds of drugs it can be hard to enforce laws that ban them especially when you're talking about drugs that can be grown in your basement, although many of the illegal drugs do come in from Mexico which is another reason why Trump is doing the right thing with wanting to put up a boarder wall.

Nope, if you elect to ignore demand (do not prosecute users) then you will never be successful in controlling supply.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

sure - because Mexico and the UK and Australia are exactly alike with the same conditions across the board. :doh:roll:

Talk about comparing apples to cinderblocks and then wondering why you keep chipping your teeth on that hard grey pie filling. :roll::shock:

And the USA also does not have the same conditions across the board as the UK and Australia.

To say that more restrictive gun laws would work to cut down on crime in the USA because they work that way in the UK and Australia, that is comparing apples to cinderblocks.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

All countries are different in different ways. Having said that, the USA is very similar to the UK and has a lot in common with Australia as well. In fact, all three of those countries have more similarities with each other than the oddball out Mexico has.

The only thing the three countries all have in common is that they speak the same language. Aside from that, Im not sure just how much in common the UK and Australia have with each other but the USA does not have much in common with those two countries other than English being the primary language. If you studied history than you should be familiar with the Revolutionary War when the USA won its independence from the UK and as such broke off from the UK and became very different. And from what I do know about Australia, it does have strong roots in the UK so it also would be quite different than the USA.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

In fact, all three of those countries have more similarities with each other than the oddball out Mexico has.

Mexico is an oddball out? With all the people going back and forth between Mexico and the USA and with all the Mexicans moving to the USA, both legally and illegally, I would say the two countries are having more and more in common.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

Nope, if you elect to ignore demand (do not prosecute users) then you will never be successful in controlling supply.

This is a gun control folder not a drug control folder but nevertheless I will ask this, are you saying that all recreational drugs should be made legal? What would that result in?

 

[Rucker61]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

All countries are different in different ways. Having said that, the USA is very similar to the UK and has a lot in common with Australia as well. In fact, all three of those countries have more similarities with each other than the oddball out Mexico has.

Other than totally different demographics, Bill of Rights, unsecured borders, social support network, etc. From a crime perspective, the US is closer to Russia than to either of those countries.

 

[haymarket]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

And the USA also does not have the same conditions across the board as the UK and Australia.

To say that more restrictive gun laws would work to cut down on crime in the USA because they work that way in the UK and Australia, that is comparing apples to cinderblocks.

Actually it is not. It is more in line with saying one is comparing Granny Smith apples to Macintosh apples and Fuji apples.

 

[haymarket]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

The only thing the three countries all have in common is that they speak the same language. Aside from that, Im not sure just how much in common the UK and Australia have with each other but the USA does not have much in common with those two countries other than English being the primary language. If you studied history than you should be familiar with the Revolutionary War when the USA won its independence from the UK and as such broke off from the UK and became very different. And from what I do know about Australia, it does have strong roots in the UK so it also would be quite different than the USA.

The are all first world nations with a developed economy and the same religious and civilian traditions as a societal foundation. They are rather similar.

Lets face it though - when it comes to GUNS and the LOVE OF GUNS and the ADORATION OF GUNS and THE HOLY PLACE OF GUNS IN SOCIETY - the USA is a world apart from any other nation on earth. So if that is what you want to cut this down to and pretend we are so damn different - we are in that respect.

I know of no other civilized first world nation that would put up with the nonsense associated with gun violence that some put up with here.

 

[haymarket]

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Mexico is an oddball out? With all the people going back and forth between Mexico and the USA and with all the Mexicans moving to the USA, both legally and illegally, I would say the two countries are having more and more in common.

Much of Mexico today is a third world country with a mostly failing government in many aspects of society.

 

[haymarket]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

Other than totally different demographics, Bill of Rights, unsecured borders, social support network, etc. From a crime perspective, the US is closer to Russia than to either of those countries.

Our government today is certainly close to Russian government today.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

So are you saying the facts are wrong? Are you saying Mexico doesn't have a high crime rate?

stripping honest people of guns has very little relationship to crime rates

 

[jet57]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

No, Mexico is run by the Legislative Branch, the Executive Branch which is the President of Mexico a position currently held by Enrique Peña Nieto, and the Judicial Branch. Very similar to the USA. As for gun crime being down in other countries, that depends on the country but even if gun crime is down in a certain country that doesn't mean other forms of crime are down too. Gun crime is only one type of crime, there are tons of other types of crimes. Bombing crimes and vehicular manslaughter crimes seem to be quite the rage right now in the U.K.

Sorry but uh - yes!



Visualizing Mexico's drug cartels: A roundup of maps - Storybench


Mexico's gun control is only a policy, not a reality, and the cartels get a lot of their stuff from US sellers.

The cartels control Mexico

 

[DebateChallenge]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

The are all first world nations with a developed economy and the same religious and civilian traditions as a societal foundation. They are rather similar.

And so are many other countries.

Lets face it though - when it comes to GUNS and the LOVE OF GUNS and the ADORATION OF GUNS and THE HOLY PLACE OF GUNS IN SOCIETY - the USA is a world apart from any other nation on earth. So if that is what you want to cut this down to and pretend we are so damn different - we are in that respect.

You are right. And that's why the kind of gun restrictions in the UK and Australia would not work in the USA. They would never fly here.

I know of no other civilized first world nation that would put up with the nonsense associated with gun violence that some put up with here.

Well they certainly put up with other sorts of violence. In the UK they put up with bombing violence and vehicular violence, or at least they have an epidemic of that sort of stuff.

And Mexico is quite developed. Its got the fifteenth largest nominal GDP and the eleventh largest GDP by purchasing power.

 

[haymarket]

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You are right. And that's why the kind of gun restrictions in the UK and Australia would not work in the USA. They would never fly here.

And that is beyond sad.

 

[Rucker61]

Re: If gun control worked Mexico would be crime free

And that is beyond sad.

Sad that the Constitution protects us from confiscation of 150 million privately owned weapons, or protects us from unreasonable search and seizure, or self-incrimination?