If Conservatives fear government tyranny, why do they reject the concept of systemic racism?

[aociswundumho]

Right wingers SAY they are for equal opportunity, then let LOCATION determine school etc

Right wingers have been fighting for school choice via a voucher system since the 60s. Progressives have been against school choice for 50 years in order to appease unions and to increase centralization and state control over education. This video is about 40 years old:



By your own argument, progressives are the racists.

 

[Yes_Minister]

There is no such thing as systemic racism. The very fact that so many people are against systemic racism is the very proof that racism isn't systemic. YOU are the proof.

So what is your counter argument to all the videoes and articles I posted on this thread detailing systemic racism?

 

[bomberfox]

If Conservatives fear government tyranny, why do they reject the concept of systemic racism? Systemic racism is state oppression directed against African Americans and other minorities and if conservatives are going to say it doesn't exist, why do you assume that? If you are wrong and systematic racism exists, are you not supporting or at least ignoring the oppression of minorities?

25 simple charts to show friends and family who aren't convinced racism is still a problem in America

Research has extensively documented the differences between the Black and white experience in the US, from wealth and education to incarceration.

www.businessinsider.com

America's Long Overdue Awakening to Systemic Racism

For many who have spent their lives fighting for racial equity, this moment of reckoning has been a long time coming

time.com

The systemic racism black Americans face, explained in 9 charts

Longstanding inequalities have led to the current wave of protests.

www.vox.com

Do conservatives apply their small-government ideology to minorities? How many African Americans believe structural racism does not exist?

Thanks for posting this. Its not easy to show these things in the most comprehensive ways.

 

[bomberfox]

Right wingers SAY they are for equal opportunity, then let LOCATION determine school etc opportunity and ALWAYS push to eliminate state taxes. Then they act stupid about screwed opportunity, and declare all bad luck is earned. When ALL the folks in groups, but TOKEN examples are less than, to say they are just INFERIOR, is disingenous, cynical, and RACIST.

Yep. Its a bias that a lot of people have the more privileged they get.

 

[bomberfox]

If Conservatives fear government tyranny, why do they reject the concept of systemic racism?
Systemic racism was eliminated by Obama and Holder at the federal level. Systemic racism in the blues cities where blacks die is maintained by Democrat mayors, Democrat state attorneys, and Democrat police supers.

Lol. Cities tend to have higher concentration of impoverished areas where gaps in the richest and poorest are most visible. The fact you think a black president is the end of racism shows you dont know what you are talking about. Its really a partisan thing for you but to those affected by it, it isnt. Democrats became much more to the right since the Clinton years established the washington consensus. The defeat of more social democratic candidates by Reagan, changed the party towards the whole tough on crime thing. Reconstruction and the aftermath show mere representation doesnt end systemic racism. The civil rights activists didnt learn from the devastating consequences of abandoning the movement once a victory took place.

 

[Moderate Right]

So what is your counter argument to all the videoes and articles I posted on this thread detailing systemic racism?

Dude, YOU and all of the millions of others who claim there is systemic racism are the very proof that racism is not systemic! How can it be systemic when millions and millions of Americans are against systemic racism? Systemic means it is everywhere but if at least half of the country (about 200 million people) are not racists then racism is NOT systemic.

 

[bomberfox]

So what is your counter argument to all the videoes and articles I posted on this thread detailing systemic racism?

I dont think many want to admit they have none.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Dude, YOU and all of the millions of others who claim there is systemic racism are the very proof that racism is not systemic! How can it be systemic when millions and millions of Americans are against systemic racism? Systemic means it is everywhere but if at least half of the country (about 200 million people) are not racists then racism is NOT systemic.

That makes no sense, some Americans being aware of systemic racism does get rid of racial gerrymandering, differences in court sentencing between black and white people, the legacy of redlining, the racism in the prison industrial complex, etc. It takes action to get rid of these things and conservatives do not seem to want action on many of these issues.

 

[Novichok]

The fact you think a black president is the end of racism shows you don't know what you are talking about.

Let's cut it to the chase....Did Obama and Holder eliminate the "systemic racism" where the DoJ had the jurisdiction? If not, why not?

It would help if you, Americans and Canadians, figured out what "systemic" means. And that it's not the same as "systematic" or "prevalent". Good grief.

 

[bomberfox]

Let's cut it to the chase....Did Obama and Holder eliminate the "systemic racism" where the DoJ had the jurisdiction? If not, why not?

Lets discuss what is happening right now. No they didnt eliminate it but did make efforts. Its not something that just goes away just like that anymore than reconstruction and the gains made in that era eliminated the resurgence of violent racism.

 

[Novichok]

Let's discuss what is happening right now. No they didnt eliminate it but did make efforts. Its not something that just goes away just like that anymore than reconstruction and the gains made in that era eliminated the resurgence of violent racism.

Why didn't they eliminate "systemic racism"? They had the jurisdiction and the courts to assist.

I am only talking about "systemic" racism - the kind that is in the laws and the rules, not in the "hearts and minds". We can discuss that later.

 

[Mycroft]

If Conservatives fear government tyranny, why do they reject the concept of systemic racism? Systemic racism is state oppression directed against African Americans and other minorities and if conservatives are going to say it doesn't exist, why do you assume that? If you are wrong and systematic racism exists, are you not supporting or at least ignoring the oppression of minorities?

25 simple charts to show friends and family who aren't convinced racism is still a problem in America

Research has extensively documented the differences between the Black and white experience in the US, from wealth and education to incarceration.

www.businessinsider.com

America's Long Overdue Awakening to Systemic Racism

For many who have spent their lives fighting for racial equity, this moment of reckoning has been a long time coming

time.com

The systemic racism black Americans face, explained in 9 charts

Longstanding inequalities have led to the current wave of protests.

www.vox.com

Do conservatives apply their small-government ideology to minorities? How many African Americans believe structural racism does not exist?

Seems to me you are trying to relate two different concepts to each other. "government tyranny" and "systemic racism". So...let's look at each concept separately, eh?

Government Tyranny

Definition of Tyranny
Noun

1. An oppressive or severe form of government.
2. An unrestrained use of authority or power.
3. A state ruled by, or government of, an absolute ruler.
4. Excessive severity.
5. Cruel and unfair treatment by someone in authority.

Tyranny - Definition, Examples,

Tyranny defined and explained with examples. Tyranny is governmental rule by a leader who is both unfit to rule, and who is cruel and oppressive.

legaldictionary.net

1. Tyranny relates expressly to government, so the use of the term "government tyranny" is a pleonasm.
2. Not only does a tyranny not exist in the US, it is antithetical to our form of government.
3. I would hope that ALL Americans...not just Conservatives...fear a tyranny.

Systemic Racism

What is Systemic Racism? (Definition and Examples )

Everyone is talking about ‘systemic racism’ now, and many don’t know the definition.

Stokely Carmichael was the one who coined the phrase ‘institutionalized racism’ which later morphed into the phrase ‘systemic racism.’ So here is an excerpt from his book ‘Black Power' in which he explains racism and institutional racism.

“Racism is both overt and covert. It takes two, closely related forms: individual whites acting against individual blacks, and acts by the total white community against the black community. We call these individual racism and institutional racism. The first consists of overt acts by individuals, which cause death, injury or the violent destruction of property. This type can be recorded by television cameras; it can frequently be observed in the process of commission. The second type is less overt, far more subtle, less identifiable in terms of specific individuals committing the acts. But it is no less destructive of human life. The second type originates in the operation of established and respected forces in the society, and thus receives far less public condemnation than the first type. "

What is Systemic Racism? (Definition and Examples )

Everyone is talking about ‘systemic racism’ now, and many don’t know the definition.

medium.com

So, systemic...or institutional...racism refers to the government, whether local or federal.

Looking at those two terms, it is my judgment that your use of them together is dishonest...perhaps inflammatory. Just wondering...was that your purpose?

Anyway, as a conservative who fears tyranny and who does not reject the concept of systemic racism, I suppose your thread question doesn't apply to me...so I have no answer for you.

btw, I caution you on how you identify systemic racist actions. Be very careful and don't assume all government policies result in systemic racism. Sometimes policies that are directed at ALL people come into conflict with a certain group of people because of their behavior. It would behoove that group to align themselves more with ALL people. Then they won't run afoul of such policies.

For example...

If we have a government policy that, when stopped by the police, everyone should follow the instructions given to them by the police and a group of people (or members of that group) consistently do NOT do so, the resulting conflict has nothing to do with racism. It has everything to do with behavior.

In any case, this is my take on your OP. I hope you enjoyed reading what I had to say.

 

[aociswundumho]

That makes no sense, some Americans being aware of systemic racism does get rid of racial gerrymandering, differences in court sentencing between black and white people, the legacy of redlining, the racism in the prison industrial complex, etc. It takes action to get rid of these things and conservatives do not seem to want action on many of these issues.

Is there systemic racism in the cities which have been controlled by Democrats for decades?

If yes, why haven't Democrats done anything about it?

 

[Jetboogieman]

Most Modern American Conservatives just aren't capable of complex thought.

They see things purely in binary terms, grey largely doesn't exist.

They boil every issue down to a simple with us or against us terms.

They don't understand anything beyond the Bumper Sticker slogan of what they believe.

They're supposed to be fear government tyranny and be suspicious of Government power... Yet when it's "Their guy".

Silence and especially with Trump, all who speak against him are the crazy ones and almost all he does is purely altruistic.

Insanity.

So, in terms of racism, they only see it as, if people aren't burning crosses on black peoples lawns or explicitly goose stepping down main street with a Swastika tattood into their forehead, it cannot still exist.

 

[Mr Person]

The bulk of people who identify as conservatives are also now Trumpists, and Trumpism has jack shit to do with the stated principles of conservatism. They love tyranny as long as it is aimed at people they consider their enemies, aka, the false image of "liberals" Fox painted for them.

 

[Mr Person]

There is no such thing as systemic racism. The very fact that so many people are against systemic racism is the very proof that racism isn't systemic. YOU are the proof.

Someone being against a thing is proof that the thing they are against does not exist?

The stupid just hit epic levels.

 

[Novichok]

Most Modern American Conservatives just aren't capable of complex thought.

They see things purely in binary terms, grey largely doesn't exist.

They boil every issue down to a simple with us or against us terms.

They don't understand anything beyond the Bumper Sticker slogan of what they believe.

They're supposed to be fear government tyranny and be suspicious of Government power... Yet when it's "Their guy".

Silence and especially with Trump, all who speak against him are the crazy ones and almost all he does is purely altruistic.

Insanity.

So, in terms of racism, they only see it as, if people aren't burning crosses on black peoples lawns or explicitly goose stepping down main street with a Swastika tattood into their forehead, it cannot still exist.

A bs deflection. We are talking only about the laws and the rules. Like WHITES ONLY signs, now all poof gone. That was "systemic racism". Got it?

 

[Moderate Right]

That makes no sense, some Americans being aware of systemic racism does get rid of racial gerrymandering, differences in court sentencing between black and white people, the legacy of redlining, the racism in the prison industrial complex, etc. It takes action to get rid of these things and conservatives do not seem to want action on many of these issues.

It does make sense. There is no systemic racism. It's in your heads. Yes, there is racism. There will always be racism. But, it is not systemic if it is not systemic.

 

[Jetboogieman]

A bs deflection. We are talking only about the laws and the rules. Like WHITES ONLY signs, now all poof gone. That was "systemic racism". Got it?

One really good example is voter suppression.

But here's the problem, people like you simply pretend it doesn't exist at all.

Funding gaps in minority schools is another example.

So I am correct, simply because it's not Apartheid South Africa levels of laws on the books, doesn't mean it isn't there or there isn't the attempt for it to be there.

But you don't care and you don't want to know.

 

[Moderate Right]

Someone being against a thing is proof that the thing they are against does not exist?

The stupid just hit epic levels.

It is proof that it is not systemic. That's the point. There is racism and there is systemic racism. We have racism. We always will. Prior to the 60's racism was systemic. Since over 200 million people are not racists, racism is no longer systemic. In fact, affirmative action policies and laws have made whites the victims of systemic racism.

 

[Novichok]

One really good example is voter suppression.

BS. Blacks have the same voting rights as whites. No racism.

 

[Jetboogieman]

BS. Blacks have the same voting rights as whites. No racism.

You pretend it doesn't exist.

There is a concerted effort in Red States to use various methods to make sure minorities and the poor find it more and more difficult to vote.

It's proven, it's clear as day.

But because, there isn't a law on the books that specifically states "Niggers can't vote, heil Hitler!".

And even then... You'd probably say "Well they can move to another state if they don't like it ".

But because it's not that explicit It cannot be possible.

Again, you don't care and you don't want to care or know.

It benefits your side so, why care?

 

[Novichok]

It is proof that it is not systemic. That's the point. There is racism and there is systemic racism. We have racism. We always will. Prior to the 60's racism was systemic. Since over 200 million people are not racists, racism is no longer systemic. In fact, affirmative action policies and laws have made whites the victims of systemic racism.

Good post. The leftists here are doing this high-wire dance how to claim "systemic racism" that would help get reparations and, at the same time, admire Obama, Holder, and the Democrat mafia running the cities where blacks get killed - all 10 of them in 2019 - by those evil cops who get out of bed only to kill a black guy.

 

[Novichok]

You pretend it doesn't exist.

There is a concerted effort in Red States to use various methods to make sure minorities and the poor find it more and more difficult to vote.

It's proven, it's clear as day.

But because, there isn't a law on the books that specifically states "Niggers can't vote, heil Hitler!".

And even then... You'd probably say "Well they can move to another state if they don't like it ".

But because it's not that explicit It cannot be possible.

Again, you don't care and you don't want to care or know.

It benefits your side so, why care?

Skip the tirades. It's boring.

Whites and blacks have EXACTLY the same voting rights. Period.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Skip the tirades. It's boring.

Blacks and whites have EXACTLY the same voting rights. Period.

Here's a good point that John Oliver made about abortion a couple of years ago when it came to the backdoor restrictions red states implemented to shut down abortion clinics.

"It can't be theoretically legal, it has to be literally accessible".

The same counts for voter suppression.

You're right... only in Theory.

People like to focus simply on the ID aspect, when it's much more complicated than that and those laws use many tools in order to achieve the suppression that disproportionately affects minority and poorer voters.

But again you don't care, you don't want to care, it benefits your side so... Why give a damn?

It's clear as day, the only thing stopping you from giving a damn is your own ignorance which is completely wilful, I have no faith it's blind ignorance.