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If ACA is Struck Down, What Then?

Jay59

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This is a real possibility. Suppose a Federal Judge finds the law unconstitutional as it stands and subsequent appeals affirm the lower court ruling. Suppose further that there is a one year period to allow for new legislation. Suppose that the White House and Congress are substantially the same as they are now--Trump is President, Democratic House and Republican Senate.

With a clock ticking, what would be your game plan?
 
Sure seems like those bringing the suit to tear down the ACA should've had a game plan. Years ago, even.
 
Sure seems like those bringing the suit to tear down the ACA should've had a game plan. Years ago, even.
Who says they do not, or did not?

It's not like there is a shortage of plans available. All that is lacking is a do-it-all plan, which was what ACA tried to do and failed.
 
Obama will be big sad.
 
The we will take the model and rebuild it right back!!!!!!!!! with modification that the Republicans won't be able to block or tackle with their vile agenda.
 
Sure seems like those bringing the suit to tear down the ACA should've had a game plan. Years ago, even.

They did. It was the Bob Dole plan that Obama implemented with the ACA.
 
They do not. And did not.
Citation needed.

The we will take the model and rebuild it right back! with modification that the Republicans won't be able to block or tackle with their vile agenda.
I suppose that is a plan of sorts. Hopefully you will do it without the train wreck ACA made of the exchanges, the funding, and the policy qualifications.

They did. It was the Bob Dole plan that Obama implemented with the ACA.
Urban myth. There is version of the myth that claims a Heritage foundation source. ACA was an omnibus bill. At most you can trace pieces to prior plans.
 
Urban myth. There is version of the myth that claims a Heritage foundation source. ACA was an omnibus bill. At most you can trace pieces to prior plans.

It's not an urban myth. The ACA implemented the conservative plan, they just added better protections and quality of health insurance. Which part of the Heritage Foundation plan would you want to remove from the ACA? The mandate, which was the mechanism to pay for it?
 
Who says they do not, or did not?

It's not like there is a shortage of plans available. All that is lacking is a do-it-all plan, which was what ACA tried to do and failed.
How many of those plans protect pre-existing condition coverage? All of them. How many would still protect PEC without Obamacare? Way less if any.
They showed a plan in 2017, it failed to gain support. Since then...crickets
 
Citation needed.


I suppose that is a plan of sorts. Hopefully you will do it without the train wreck ACA made of the exchanges, the funding, and the policy qualifications.


Urban myth. There is version of the myth that claims a Heritage foundation source. ACA was an omnibus bill. At most you can trace pieces to prior plans.
You may need to do some research... IT WAS REPUBLICAN PROCESS that fought against the provision that would have done much more in advancing what became Affordable Care Act. It was Republican being fed by "Network Medical Establishments", who control Network Hospital, Network Medical Facilities and Network Doctors who FOUGHT AGAINST people having the choice to keep their doctors and see any doctors. Because "NETWORK" Medical Systems did not want to abide by the guidelines of ACA regarding Price, Pre-Existing Conditions and Standards of Care. (Republicans never knew or understood this because they were too busy listening to the vile and evil fear promotions pushed by Republicans who are OWNED by Big Medical and Big Industry).

President Obama, "CLEARLY" TOLD EVERY AMERICAN, that ACA was a FIRST STEP.... !!!
Why people WERE BY WILLFUL CHOICE too ignorant to listen, and many could not hear because they were too busy going into savage mode about his skin color until their ears shut down.

Democrats have the Model, they set up the digitized medical records system, and many other components, and they know NOW, they can add in the Medicare Option for people 55 and They can Add In Many Other Provisions, including people keeping their job sponsored insurance... and the good thing now... AFTER 2018 - The Job Medical Plans were eager to get into the exchange, when companies began to close and they lost enrollee's they once relied upon, and now after COVID and many more lost their Jobs, The Medical System will be more eager to join the exchange, because if they don't, there is even lesser jobs that provide Medical Coverage and People are NOT going to pay HIGH Job Related Co-Pay for Stripped down skeleton programs that Jobs will cut their programs down to.

It does not matter what the Name of the Program is. Dumb Ass Republican, who love slang bullshit, is who called it Obama Care, and were too dumb to know it was "ACA (Affordable Care Act)...


Jimmy Kimmel, even did a street side interview, and the dumb ass people said, Oh' we don't like Obama Care, but ACA (Affordable Care Act) is a Good Program.

This was a full on Demonstration of The Ignorance that Is Pervasive in American Society, a
and
This Exposure of Ignorance it on National TV which exposed that ignorance.




Quote from the YouTube Comments
" This also shows the power of propaganda, the Republicans ingeniously nicknamed the ACA Obama care, so that normal republicans despise it just because it has Obama's name in it. "
 
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Sure, I'll just dig out the citation for the plan these nihilists don't have. Right.
So, all you have is your opinion. Just making sure.

There was an actual bill proposed in 2017. More recently a study group to produced a more comprehensive plan.

It's not an urban myth. The ACA implemented the conservative plan, they just added better protections and quality of health insurance. Which part of the Heritage Foundation plan would you want to remove from the ACA? The mandate, which was the mechanism to pay for it?
Citation needed. Who said anything about removing that part from ACA? It was one a minor area of a much larger law.

How many of those plans protect pre-existing condition coverage? All of them. How many would still protect PEC without Obamacare? Way less if any. They showed a plan in 2017, it failed to gain support. Since then...crickets
There is not even agreement of what constitutes a pre-existing condition. When you say all of them, what exactly are you saying? ACA did not cover everything for everyone.

What is PEC? I use that to mean photoelectric cell.

It's nice that someone acknowledges that there was a 2017 bill. Greenbeard denies it existed.

Not exactly crickets. There have been two significant changes. The individual mandate was rescinded and non-qualifying plans are now allowed. These changes made a great deal more flexibility possible. The exchanges mostly failed, but they do not represent a problem as much as a drain on the budget. More than half of ACA was an overhaul of Medicare, which has largely been assimilated. This is why Dans claiming it was an old Republican plan is :poop:

President Obama, "CLEARLY" TOLD EVERY AMERICAN, that ACA was a FIRST STEP.... !
Now it has been repealed.
 
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So, all you have is your opinion. Just making sure.

There was an actual bill proposed in 2017. More recently a study group to produced a more comprehensive plan.

You seem like someone who might be interested in some oceanfront property in Kansas I'm trying to unload.
 
You seem like someone who might be interested in some oceanfront property in Kansas I'm trying to unload.
I know Kansas. I've been to Kansas. I have seen the closest Kansas comes to oceanfront property, but it's public property.
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You are no Kansas real estate agent.
 
Citation needed. Who said anything about removing that part from ACA? It was one a minor area of a much larger law.

The mandate was the main conservative contribution to the ACA.


" Heritage did put forward the idea of an individual mandate, though it predated HillaryCare by several years. We know this because we were there: In 1988-90, we were employed at Heritage as a public relations associate (a junior writer and editor), and we wrote at least one press release for a publication touting Heritage's plan for comprehensive legislation to provide universal "quality, affordable health care.""

" “Whatever the particular differences, the Heritage mandate was indistinguishable in principle from the ObamaCare one. In both cases, the federal government would force individuals to purchase a product from a private company—something that Congress has never done before.”
 
The mandate was the main conservative contribution to the ACA.
So you contradict yourself. Smooth.

This is pure spin and always was. The Heritage Foundation suggested a mandatory bare bones package, basically catastrophic, some preventative care and well baby visits. ACA requires that all plans offered in the Marketplace cover these items:
  • Ambulatory patient services (outpatient care you get without being admitted to a hospital)
  • Emergency services
  • Hospitalization (like surgery and overnight stays)
  • Pregnancy, maternity, and newborn care (both before and after birth)
  • Mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment (this includes counseling and psychotherapy)
  • Prescription drugs
  • Rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices (services and devices to help people with injuries, disabilities, or chronic conditions gain or recover mental and physical skills)
  • Laboratory services
  • Preventive and wellness services and chronic disease management
  • Pediatric services, including oral and vision care (but adult dental and vision coverage aren’t essential health benefits)
The Heritage Foundation plan would require part of the second last item. Claiming that that plan was the parent of the above is a steaming pile :poop:
 
This is a real possibility. Suppose a Federal Judge finds the law unconstitutional as it stands and subsequent appeals affirm the lower court ruling. Suppose further that there is a one year period to allow for new legislation. Suppose that the White House and Congress are substantially the same as they are now--Trump is President, Democratic House and Republican Senate.

With a clock ticking, what would be your game plan?

Since I don't have a subsidized policy, my game plan would be to keep making my regular monthly payment.
 
This is a real possibility. Suppose a Federal Judge finds the law unconstitutional as it stands and subsequent appeals affirm the lower court ruling. Suppose further that there is a one year period to allow for new legislation. Suppose that the White House and Congress are substantially the same as they are now--Trump is President, Democratic House and Republican Senate.

With a clock ticking, what would be your game plan?

Forget it, the goal for Republicans is just striking down ACA.

Actually dealing with healthcare, doing something about the ripoff schemes the pharmaceutical industry gets away with, handling those with preexisting conditions, people having access to care at all... Republicans do not care about these things.

All Republicans do care about is the money they can make of big pharma and big healthcare insurance companies.
 
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