If abortion becomes illegal, what should the punishment be?

[Sykes]

What should happen to women who get abortions, if they become illegal.

 

[lizzie]

What should happen to women who get abortions, if they become illegal.

Since they aren't going to become illegal, I don't believe there is anything to worry about.

 

[digsbe]

Charged with murder or attempted murder, punishment should be what it is now for murder in each state. Both the woman and abortion provider should be charged.

 

[jamesrage]

What should happen to women who get abortions, if they become illegal.

The same punishment you would receive in a murder for hire and accessory to murder case. The person who performed the abortion should be charged with 1st degree murder.

 

[Stewart]

What should happen to women who get abortions, if they become illegal.

TBH this is just disingenuous. Abortion aren't going to be illegal anytime soon. Its a slippery slope argument that has no more weight than in the ssm debate. Politicians are placing restrictions on the time period women can sleek abortions. Now I know that the intent of these politicians would be to ban it if they could, I support the intent test. However, that's not going to happen thanks to R v W. An argument in favor of late-term abortion must stand up on its own rather than relying on a strawmanesq slippery slope

 

[Sykes]

TBH this is just disingenuous. Abortion aren't going to be illegal anytime soon. Its a slippery slope argument that has no more weight than in the ssm debate. Politicians are placing restrictions on the time period women can sleek abortions. Now I know that the intent of these politicians would be to ban it if they could, I support the intent test. However, that's not going to happen thanks to R v W. An argument in favor of late-term abortion must stand up on its own rather than relying on a strawmanesq slippery slope

Really? Because there are a number of people on this forum who are invested in seeing Roe v Wade overturned. The politicians want to see Roe v Wade overturned, so they are trying to create legislation that will go to the highest court in the land, and overturn Roe v Wade.

So no. It's no strawman, and it's not a slippery slope. It's an honest question. Did you watch the video? Because the women didn't have an answer. They want abortion to be illegal, they've been picketing for years - but they don't know what should happen as punishment once Roe v Wade is overturned.

 

[Sykes]

Charged with murder or attempted murder, punishment should be what it is now for murder in each state. Both the woman and abortion provider should be charged.

Thank you for your honesty.

 

[MaggieD]

They want abortion to be illegal, they've been picketing for years - but they don't know what should happen as punishment once Roe v Wade is overturned.

So?? The woman was never punished when abortions were illegal. The doctors were. Done. And. Done.

 

[Tigger]

Here's my idea.....

You force her to get married to the father of her aborted child (if she isn't already) and you hand the two of them a newborn child from an adoption agency to take care of as their own until the child is 18 years old.

 

[Zyphlin]

Well, let's operate that the hypothetical actually occurs AND that the woman should be punished....

My suggestion would be, at the very least early on, that it should be handled similar to what happens when someones found not guilty by reason of insanity. Specifically, on first offense I would think it should be it's own general law, with the punishment basically being sentencing to a mental institute type of situation where the woman could undergo counciling regarding the pregnancy, the coming child, and all her various options upon having the child while at the same time being monitored to try and help keep the child and the mother healthy.

After giving birth it should go into a probationary type of situation, with her continuing to get counciling and being checked in on to make sure the chlid is being cared for.

For multiple offenders then actual potential jail time following the institutionalization may be realistic.

In terms of the doctors, I would suggest an "aiding and abetting" type of sublaw to the above abortion penalty, that would essentially treat the doctor in a way similar to manslaughter....a STIFF penalty, but not quite on the level of murder. Naturally, additional offenses would allow for SIGNIFICANTLY higher jail time.

IF it was made illegal, I would imagine something like that would probably be necessary without letting it basically become a "defacto legal" type of thing.

The natural problem with such a notion is the tricky 10 to 20 years likely as society moves from legal abortoins being the norm to legal abortoins being non-existant (or nearly non-existant), during which there will likely be a far greater amount of women falling subject to these laws. Once a generational change occurs and the "norm" becomes that they're exceedingly rare and something society doesn't approve of then the amount of instances would reduce itself.

Now, if you allow for the caveat that the woman doesn't need punishment...

I'd suggest going for a manslaughter type of charge for Doctors and seeing if that largley gets the majority of them out of the way. I still think you'd probably run into political problems with that point because the reality is that if a woman wants to get rid of her pregnancy there are ways she absolutely have a good chance of doing it even without a doctor.

 

[Sykes]

Interesting ideas, especially of giving a newborn to somebody who had no intention of parenting at this time.

 

[JayDubya]

Since it is a premeditated and aggressive homicide in which financial remuneration is offered to a contracted killer, the client and any contractors involved should be convicted of the most severe form of criminal murder charge available in a given jurisdiction.

Accessories should also be imprisoned.

IMO, the proper sentence for premeditated murder is life in prison without parole.

 

[lolabird]

Well, let's operate that the hypothetical actually occurs AND that the woman should be punished....

My suggestion would be, at the very least early on, that it should be handled similar to what happens when someones found not guilty by reason of insanity. Specifically, on first offense I would think it should be it's own general law, with the punishment basically being sentencing to a mental institute type of situation where the woman could undergo counciling regarding the pregnancy, the coming child, and all her various options upon having the child while at the same time being monitored to try and help keep the child and the mother healthy.

After giving birth it should go into a probationary type of situation, with her continuing to get counciling and being checked in on to make sure the chlid is being cared for.

For multiple offenders then actual potential jail time following the institutionalization may be realistic.

In terms of the doctors, I would suggest an "aiding and abetting" type of sublaw to the above abortion penalty, that would essentially treat the doctor in a way similar to manslaughter....a STIFF penalty, but not quite on the level of murder. Naturally, additional offenses would allow for SIGNIFICANTLY higher jail time.

IF it was made illegal, I would imagine something like that would probably be necessary without letting it basically become a "defacto legal" type of thing.

The natural problem with such a notion is the tricky 10 to 20 years likely as society moves from legal abortoins being the norm to legal abortoins being non-existant (or nearly non-existant), during which there will likely be a far greater amount of women falling subject to these laws. Once a generational change occurs and the "norm" becomes that they're exceedingly rare and something society doesn't approve of then the amount of instances would reduce itself.

Now, if you allow for the caveat that the woman doesn't need punishment...

I'd suggest going for a manslaughter type of charge for Doctors and seeing if that largley gets the majority of them out of the way. I still think you'd probably run into political problems with that point because the reality is that if a woman wants to get rid of her pregnancy there are ways she absolutely have a good chance of doing it even without a doctor.

What a society we have today. Let's put a 13 year-old-girl in a psych ward to undergo counseling about her pregnancy and her coming child.
Let's not even think about the boy who impregnated her and now wants her to have an abortion because after all the mentality of today is that, she wanted it, she asked for it.
If the child goes through with the abortion, let's make her wear a big red letter on her forehead while she's serving life in prison. Puhleeze!

 

[sangha]

It's very revealing that the most common response was that those Moral Fascists hadn't given any thought to what would happen to the women.

It seems to be a habit of theirs

 

[Zyphlin]

What a society we have today.

Whose talking about "society we have today"

The OP specifically asked a hypothetical about a situation that DOESN'T EXIST today, and my post was stated it was occuring under the notion of such a hypothetical actually happening and in no way indicated it's what I'd want to see happen, think should happen, or believe to be likely to happen.

But enjoy the hysterics and strawmen, because that's all the rest of your post consists of.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Since it is a premeditated and aggressive homicide in which financial remuneration is offered to a contracted killer, the client and any contractors involved should be convicted of the most severe form of criminal murder charge available in a given jurisdiction.

Accessories should also be imprisoned.

IMO, the proper sentence for premeditated murder is life in prison without parole.

Here is a idea, if we get rid of abortion, we also abolish the death penalty.

 

[lolabird]

Whose talking about "society we have today"

The OP specifically asked a hypothetical about a situation that DOESN'T EXIST today, and my post was stated it was occuring under the notion of such a hypothetical actually happening and in no way indicated it's what I'd want to see happen, think should happen, or believe to be likely to happen.

But enjoy the hysterics and strawmen, because that's all the rest of your post consists of.

Not every situation is the same.
Why would you force a woman to carry a fetus and give birth when she doesn't want to? The morning after pill should be considered before having a mob come for you.
Why is it that men can't step up and accept responsibility for their few seconds of pleasure?

 

[Beaudreaux]

Here is a idea, if we get rid of abortion, we also abolish the death penalty.

How dare you point out the hypocrisy... Don't you know that the Bible approves of putting people to death, and slavery, and... well, you get the point.

 

[digsbe]

How dare you point out the hypocrisy... Don't you know that the Bible approves of putting people to death, and slavery, and... well, you get the point.

Abortion: death for the innocent at the elective choice of a pregnant woman.

Death penalty: death for those convicted guilty of heinous crimes as convicted by a jury in a legal framework.

They are hardly equivalent.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Not every situation is the same.
Why would you force a woman to carry a fetus and give birth when she doesn't want to? The morning after pill should be considered before having a mob come for you.
Why is it that men can't step up and accept responsibility for their few seconds of pleasure?

A few seconds? I must be doing it wrong.

Seriously... I agree that men need to be held responsible for THEIR (our) actions, not just the woman.

 

[Zyphlin]

Not every situation is the same.

Correct. And your point?

Why would you force a woman to carry a fetus and give birth when she doesn't want to?

Who knows, that's not the topic of this thread. That's not even asked in this thread.

This thread asked a question that assumed, hypothetically, that the decision to make abortion illegal ALREADY HAPPENED and asking, based on that, what legal action should be taken.

I've never said in this thread one way or another my thought as to whether or not abortion should be legal or not, and I'm not going to, because it's not the topic of this thread NOR is it RELEVANT to the topic since the question being asked requires us to answer based on a hypothetical situation where abortion is illegal.

The morning after pill should be considered before having a mob come for you.

Irrelevant to the threads topic.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Abortion: death for the innocent at the elective choice of a pregnant woman.

Death penalty: death for those convicted guilty of heinous crimes as convicted by a jury in a legal framework.

They are hardly equivalent.

Until these guys don't have a job or a reason for existing, then you may have a point. Until then, they are very equivalent.

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Edit: Exodus 20:13

 

[Zyphlin]

What should happen to women who get abortions, if they become illegal.

Just repeating the OP, again, so people can see what was actually asked.

Bold is my emphasis

The topic of this thread, the question asked in the OP, asked us to give an answer based on the hypothetical situation of if abortoins BECOME ILLEGAL.

Discussing or giving our feelings on whether or not abortoin SHOULD be illegal is IRRELEVANT to the question being asked. There are dozens of threads discussing that, THIS thread is asking for people to state what they think should happen to women IF, in this hypothetical situation, abortion becomes illegal.

 

[digsbe]

Until these guys don't have a job or a reason for existing, then you may have a point. Until then, they are very equivalent.

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Edit: Exodus 20:13

Of course some innocent lives have been executed with the death penalty, but innocent lives are always executed in the case of all abortions.

The death penalty is not equivalent to abortion. Someone supporting one or the other does not make them a hypocrite.

 

[lolabird]

Correct. And your point?



Who knows, that's not the topic of this thread. That's not even asked in this thread.

This thread asked a question that assumed, hypothetically, that the decision to make abortion illegal ALREADY HAPPENED and asking, based on that, what legal action should be taken.

I've never said in this thread one way or another my thought as to whether or not abortion should be legal or not, and I'm not going to, because it's not the topic of this thread NOR is it RELEVANT to the topic since the question being asked requires us to answer based on a hypothetical situation where abortion is illegal.



Irrelevant to the threads topic.

Leave the woman alone. Don't place her in a psych ward, don't imprison her, leave her alone.