Idaho to vote for a Constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.

[jfuh]

The sanctity of marriage is defining it as a union between a man and a woman.....

Source: Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

sanctity
One entry found for sanctity.
Main Entry: sanc·ti·ty
Pronunciation: 'sa[ng](k)-t&-tE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
Etymology: Middle English saunctite, from Middle French saincteté, from Latin sanctitat-, sanctitas, from sanctus sacred
1 : holiness of life and character : GODLINESS
2 a : the quality or state of being holy or sacred : INVIOLABILITY b plural : sacred objects, obligations, or rights

I see nothing in sanctity that involves man and woman.

Now let's see Marriage

Main Entry: mar·riage
Pronunciation: 'mer-ij, 'ma-rij
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
1 a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b : the mutual relation of married persons : WEDLOCK c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
2 : an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
3 : an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry -- J. T. Shawcross>

Interesting, so according the deffinition as long as the wedlock is kept holy and respected, no divorce, the sanctity is protected. Has nothing at all of definition between a man and a woman.
Your myth has been thoroughly debunked.

I think the word you libs like to use is homophobia or bigotry when someone has a difference of opinion with you on gay marriage........And we are called the intolerant ones.....:roll:

Yes sounds very intollerant and fearful to me. What's the fear NP? Worry some gay guy will hit on you?

 

[Kelzie]

Well at the moment the only place where gay marriage is legal and recognized is in the Peoples Republic of Mass..........I would venture to say it will stay that way.............

The people have spoken .They will not let activist Liberal judges make law instead of interpreting it like they did in the Peoples Republic of Mass.......

Why is it that you won't respond to my proof that it is unconstitutional? You can't just keep saying the same thing over and over again and hope that makes it correct.

 

[Navy Pride]

Why is it that you won't respond to my proof that it is unconstitutional? You can't just keep saying the same thing over and over again and hope that makes it correct.

If a lawsuit ever gets to the SCOTUS it will be decided there.........I'll put my money on the Conservative SCOTUS that will let the states determine the issue and not get involved in the subject of gay marriage.......

I am going to hit my rack.....Good night kelzie........sweet dreams.....

 

[Kandahar]

If a lawsuit ever gets to the SCOTUS it will be decided there.........I'll put my money on the Conservative SCOTUS that will let the states determine the issue and not get involved in the subject of gay marriage.......

I'll take that bet. How much would you like to risk?

My prediction is that the Supreme Court (as it is currently composed) would vote at least 7-2 in favor of gay marriage. Ginsburg, Souter, Breyer, Stevens, and Kennedy would surely vote for it. Alito, Roberts, and Scalia are less certain, but also likely to vote in favor of it. Clarence Thomas is the only reliable "no" vote on this matter IMO.

 

[Navy Pride]

I'll take that bet. How much would you like to risk?

My prediction is that the Supreme Court (as it is currently composed) would vote at least 7-2 in favor of gay marriage. Ginsburg, Souter, Breyer, Stevens, and Kennedy would surely vote for it. Alito, Roberts, and Scalia are less certain, but also likely to vote in favor of it. Clarence Thomas is the only reliable "no" vote on this matter IMO.

I totally disagree I think Alito, Roberts, Sxalia, Thomas and Kennedy will vote against it makeing the vote 5-4........Kennedy is the new swing vote.......As much as you Liberals hate it you will find this SCOTUS will interpret the law not make it........They will not overrule the will of the people and their elected legislature.....They will allow states to make decisions like this and stay out of any marriage issue that is none of their business..........

The first big decision you liberals will lose is the lawsuit upholding PBA........That is one of the first things on the docket for the SCOTUS and it will be throwb out.......

Then you will lose on "under God" on the Pledge........

And finally God willing Roe V Wade will be overturned and the butcher of the innocent in the womb will cease.........

 

[Binary_Digit]

As much as you Liberals hate it you will find this SCOTUS will interpret the law not make it........

"Marriage is between a man and a woman, not between two people who love each other." Yeah, way to interpret the law, not make it. :roll:

Protect the sanctity of marriage. Make it unconstitutional to get a divorce or cheat on your spouse!

:2wave:

 

[Navy Pride]

"Marriage is between a man and a woman, not between two people who love each other." Yeah, way to interpret the law, not make it. :roll:

Protect the sanctity of marriage. Make it unconstitutional to get a divorce or cheat on your spouse!

:2wave:

As much as you deny it Marriage is between a man and a woman in 49 out of 50 states.........

How would we deal with your hero Clinton then? He is the biggest cheater in history.......

 

[Binary_Digit]

As much as you deny it Marriage is between a man and a woman in 49 out of 50 states.........

Yeah well abortion is legal in 50/50 states so I guess you support that now too? C'mon NP even you know that's a BS argument.

 

[Navy Pride]

Yeah well abortion is legal in 50/50 states so I guess you support that now too? C'mon NP even you know that's a BS argument.

South or North Dakota is going to test the butcher of babies in the womb by banning it.........It will probably go to the SCOTUS.........

Stay tuned.........Much to the sorrow of a lot of libs Roe V wade might just be overturned and the butchering of the innocent in the womb will stop or go back to individual states where it belongs......

Stay tuned...........

 

[Binary_Digit]

Way to miss the point. While you're fighting to get gay marriage banned, the "sanctity of marriage" flies out the window every day in heterosexual marriages and you just look the other way. Push to get divorce banned or STFU about gay marriage!

 

[Navy Pride]

Way to miss the point. While you're fighting to get gay marriage banned, the "sanctity of marriage" flies out the window every day in heterosexual marriages and you just look the other way. Push to get divorce banned or STFU about gay marriage!

I know liberals like you like to tout the high divorce rate but the over 50 percent of marriages that end in divorce is bogus.......When you take into effect that around 75 percent of all marriages of people that are under 30 end in diovorce it skews the overall figure.........If you throw out the Britney Spears type marriages and comput the divorce rate of people over 30 you will find that it is about 25 percent............Something you lefties never reveal.......

 

[Kandahar]

I totally disagree I think Alito, Roberts, Sxalia, Thomas and Kennedy will vote against it makeing the vote 5-4........Kennedy is the new swing vote.......

Stop regurgitating the media talking points for the simple-minded. Anthony Kennedy is as staunchly pro-gay rights as any justice on the SCOTUS. If you look at the voting records, at least seven of the justices (Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer, Stevens, Kennedy, Alito, Scalia) have generally favored gay rights.

As much as you Liberals hate it you will find this SCOTUS will interpret the law not make it.

Which is why they will most likely uphold gay marriage. Have you ever even READ the Constitution?

 

[Kelzie]

If a lawsuit ever gets to the SCOTUS it will be decided there.........I'll put my money on the Conservative SCOTUS that will let the states determine the issue and not get involved in the subject of gay marriage.......

I am going to hit my rack.....Good night kelzie........sweet dreams.....

It is clearly unconstitutional. What do you base your belief off of?

 

[jallman]

I know liberals like you like to tout the high divorce rate but the over 50 percent of marriages that end in divorce is bogus.......When you take into effect that around 75 percent of all marriages of people that are under 30 end in diovorce it skews the overall figure.........If you throw out the Britney Spears type marriages and comput the divorce rate of people over 30 you will find that it is about 25 percent............Something you lefties never reveal.......

50 % of marriages ending in divorce is not a bogus number. The fact is, the whole "we want to protect the sanctity of marriage" argument is bogus because of that high divorce rate. All that needs be revealed is that statistic. So what if marriages of people under 30 have a high divorce rate? That still factors into the divorce rate. So what if Brittany Spears type marriages end in divorce? That still factors into the divorce rate. You cant just throw it out because you dont like how it makes the stats look. The simple truth is, maybe you guys should start protecting the sanctity of marriage from yourselves instead of homosexuals. Brittainy is a hetero and I dont hear you bragging about amendments banning celebrity and shotgun weddings. I dont hear your adulations for a ban on people under 30 marrying. If its really about the sanctity of marriage...why arent you railing against those who actually are destroying its sanctity rather than those who might potentially do so?

 

[Navy Pride]

50 % of marriages ending in divorce is not a bogus number. The fact is, the whole "we want to protect the sanctity of marriage" argument is bogus because of that high divorce rate. All that needs be revealed is that statistic. So what if marriages of people under 30 have a high divorce rate? That still factors into the divorce rate. So what if Brittany Spears type marriages end in divorce? That still factors into the divorce rate. You cant just throw it out because you dont like how it makes the stats look. The simple truth is, maybe you guys should start protecting the sanctity of marriage from yourselves instead of homosexuals. Brittainy is a hetero and I dont hear you bragging about amendments banning celebrity and shotgun weddings. I dont hear your adulations for a ban on people under 30 marrying. If its really about the sanctity of marriage...why arent you railing against those who actually are destroying its sanctity rather than those who might potentially do so?

jallman sure its a bogus number.its and average that is skewed by the number of divorces by younger people who got married because of lust or other stupid reasons..........I don't have any actual figures but I would be willing to bet that the percentage of people in the 40 to 50 age range that get dicorced is probably around 20 or 25 percent, maybe even lower................

I personally believe it should be made harder for straight people to get married.........I think they should have to go to classes and take instructions and be tested to get married...........

Marriage like a drivers license is not a right, its a privilege..........

 

[Navy Pride]

It is clearly unconstitutional. What do you base your belief off of?

If it is unconstitutional as you say then why has it not already been resolved?

 

[Kandahar]

If it is unconstitutional as you say then why has it not already been resolved?

Umm, because it hasn't. What kind of question was that? Are you saying that state-sanctioned segregation was constitutional until 1954, when it suddenly became unconstitutional? The Constitution wasn't amended that year...

The SCOTUS just resolves the matter; it doesn't mean every decision they make is correct, and it certainly doesn't mean that YOUR position is automatically correct on any issue they haven't even resolved yet.

Read the damn Constitution before you debate with the big kids.

 

[Navy Pride]

Umm, because it hasn't. What kind of question was that? Are you saying that state-sanctioned segregation was constitutional until 1954, when it suddenly became unconstitutional? The Constitution wasn't amended that year...

The SCOTUS just resolves the matter; it doesn't mean every decision they make is correct, and it certainly doesn't mean that YOUR position is automatically correct on any issue they haven't even resolved yet.

Read the damn Constitution before you debate with the big kids.

I was reading the constitution when you were just a glint in your fathers eye.........You interpret it the way you want to, I will interpret it my way.........We will see who is right.........

 

[jallman]

jallman sure its a bogus number.its and average that is skewed by the number of divorces by younger people who got married because of lust or other stupid reasons..........I don't have any actual figures but I would be willing to bet that the percentage of people in the 40 to 50 age range that get dicorced is probably around 20 or 25 percent, maybe even lower................

All of what you listed, while being true, is totally irrelevant. Bottom line is this: the overall divorce rate is 50% or higher. That divorce rate is the percentage of all heterosexual marriages...whether you find them valid or not, they are included, which is the proof in the pudding. The sanctity of marriage argument is bogus and it is because of the exact things you mention. You cant just throw out the marriages and divorces that hurt your statistic because you want to. The number stands, sanctity of marriage argument topples.

I personally believe it should be made harder for straight people to get married.........I think they should have to go to classes and take instructions and be tested to get married...........

Oh thats exactly what we need...more legislation controling marriage and our rights.

Marriage like a drivers license is not a right, its a privilege..........

WE disagree...marriage has become a right because it is state endorsed through tax breaks and inheritance laws, etc. If the state is going to endorse such a favored status, then every citizen should be able to enjoy that status without eliminating personal choice. Civil union will do that perfectly.

 

[Captain America]

Tough room, hey Navy?

:rofl

 

[Navy Pride]

All of what you listed, while being true, is totally irrelevant. Bottom line is this: the overall divorce rate is 50% or higher. That divorce rate is the percentage of all heterosexual marriages...whether you find them valid or not, they are included, which is the proof in the pudding. The sanctity of marriage argument is bogus and it is because of the exact things you mention. You cant just throw out the marriages and divorces that hurt your statistic because you want to. The number stands, sanctity of marriage argument topples.



Oh thats exactly what we need...more legislation controling marriage and our rights.



WE disagree...marriage has become a right because it is state endorsed through tax breaks and inheritance laws, etc. If the state is going to endorse such a favored status, then every citizen should be able to enjoy that status without eliminating personal choice. Civil union will do that perfectly.

Do you not have to get a license and pass a test to drive a car? Do you not have to get a license to marry? Can the license be denied? Your damn right......

I am not getting through to you or your not listening as to why the percentage of people that get divorced is skewed so we will have to agree to disagree on that one.............

jallman I thought you were not worried about the gay marriage bit but were happy if gays could have civil unions with full benefits......

 

[Navy Pride]

Tough room, hey Navy?

:rofl

Nah, when the going gets tough the tough get going.........

Nothing like your home WS..........There are actually liberals here with some sense including jallman............

 

[jallman]

Do you not have to get a license and pass a test to drive a car? Do you not have to get a license to marry? Can the license be denied? Your damn right......

Denying the license based on potential harm and denying the license based on moral disapproval are completely different birds.

I am not getting through to you or your not listening as to why the percentage of people that get divorced is skewed so we will have to agree to disagree on that one.............

I am listening. Now listen to yourself.

The divorce rate is 50%. That is the inclusive divorce rate based on all marriages that end in divorce. You want to throw out high divorce risk groups. You want to change the statistic. Thats like throwing out Afro-american ballots to change the statistics on Democrat votes. Sorry, but that dog don't hunt. The divorce rate of 50% stands. The sanctity of marriage argument still topples.

jallman I thought you were not worried about the gay marriage bit but were happy if gays could have civil unions with full benefits......

Hey...read the very last sentence here:

Originally Posted by jallman
WE disagree...marriage has become a right because it is state endorsed through tax breaks and inheritance laws, etc. If the state is going to endorse such a favored status, then every citizen should be able to enjoy that status without eliminating personal choice. Civil union will do that perfectly.

 

[Navy Pride]

Denying the license based on potential harm and denying the license based on moral disapproval are completely different birds.

Who said anything about being disapproved for a moral reason....There are all kinds of reasons to deny a drivers or a marriage license........

 

[jallman]

Who said anything about being disapproved for a moral reason....There are all kinds of reasons to deny a drivers or a marriage license........

Disapproving the driver's license because a person is blind or cannot read road signs is acceptable. Disapproving the driver's license because a person is a hairlip is not.

Disapproving the marriage license because a brother and sister are likely to have 5 assed and 7 eared babies is acceptable. Disapproving the marriage license because two unrelated, legal aged women marrying out of love is unacceptable to your religious sensibilities is moral disapproval and unacceptable. Civil union could solve this issue.